two years after release, PS3 still in LAST place in U.S. and

On Nov 13, 9:15 am, Conor <conor_tur... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <20699a8f-bf06-4313-acee-
> 80d59efd8... DeleteThis @s9g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, AirRaid says...>> It's been two entire years since the release of PlayStation3.
>
> > In the United States *and* worldwide overall, PS3 is still in 3rd
> > place, thus last place, behind
> > Xbox 360 and Wii.    Even with several sales-surges in 2007 and 2008,
> > PS3 has not been able to overtake Xbox 360  in the U.S., Europe and
> > worldwide.    Respected game industry publications have stated they do
> > not think PS3 will break even for Sony, through its entire life
> > cycle.
>
> Console sales aren't the most important figure - the number of games
> sold is. For example, those who buy a Wii buy the fewest games.

Nintendo is an altogether different beast from Microsoft and Sony.
Microsoft and Sony started off selling their hardware at tremendous
losses in order to build a respectable install base that will buy
their games, where they really make their money.

Nintendo, on the other hand, makes money right off the bat with their
console sales (they have priced a system at any point in its life such
that they weren't making a profit on the sale of the hardware). They
have a much higher percentage of first party games than their
competitors *and* those first party games tend to be the best selling
ones on the system.

Nintendo doesn't NEED its gamers to buy tons of games this generation,
which is more about expanding the market for them. They hope that the
people who are buying the Wii now will buy the next console from them
based on the fun they had with this one.
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AirRaid <airraid22.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in news:7a3291e3-5021-4b2e-b58b-
f5479ba238a9.TakeThisOut@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> BTW I am not an anti-Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo fanboy.

So what's your point then ? I have all 3 consoles & don't enjoy my PS3 any
less despite what position it is in. In fact I find I currently play my Wii
the least of all 3, despite how well it sells.

At least my PS3 didn't need to be replaced 6 times like the flawed in
design 360.
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In article <20699a8f-bf06-4313-acee-
80d59efd813b.TakeThisOut@s9g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, AirRaid says...>
> It's been two entire years since the release of PlayStation3.
>
> In the United States *and* worldwide overall, PS3 is still in 3rd
> place, thus last place, behind
> Xbox 360 and Wii. Even with several sales-surges in 2007 and 2008,
> PS3 has not been able to overtake Xbox 360 in the U.S., Europe and
> worldwide. Respected game industry publications have stated they do
> not think PS3 will break even for Sony, through its entire life
> cycle.
>
Console sales aren't the most important figure - the number of games
sold is. For example, those who buy a Wii buy the fewest games.


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In article <Xns9B555F9BD10xxxxttttyyyyxxxxx.DeleteThis@209.197.15.238>, Paul C.
says...>
> AirRaid <airraid22.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in news:7a3291e3-5021-4b2e-b58b-
> f5479ba238a9.DeleteThis@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > BTW I am not an anti-Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo fanboy.
>
> So what's your point then ? I have all 3 consoles & don't enjoy my PS3 any
> less despite what position it is in. In fact I find I currently play my Wii
> the least of all 3, despite how well it sells.
>
Same here.



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"Some of you may be anxious about finding a new job, or a new place to
live. I know how you feel." President Bush, 2008
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On Nov 13, 2:36 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac....DeleteThis@rawbw.com> wrote:
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Paul C. <Paul_C....DeleteThis@yahoo.canospam> wrote:
>
> > At least my PS3 didn't need to be replaced 6 times like the flawed in
> > design 360.
>
> My 360 is still chugging strong after 100s of hours of game play, whereas my
> PS3 died after playing maybe a dozen movies.
>
> I'm not too thrilled with Sony right now...

I have to say that this is the first time I've heard of a Playstation
3 dying. I imagine I've watched many dozens of Blu-Ray movies, if not
more, as well as several dozen DVDs and video files transferred to the
hard drive without so much as a hiccup. Oh, and I have played a few
games here and there.
 >> Stay informed about: two years after release, PS3 still in LAST place in U.S. and 

True, and as far as games sold, Xbox 360 is clearly in first place in
that area. Their tie ratio is 8:1
(8 games sold for every console sold).

> Console sales aren't the most important figure - the number of games
> sold is. For example, those who buy a Wii buy the fewest games.
>
> --
> Conor.
>
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nt.
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On Nov 13, 3:18 pm, AirRaid <airraidfigh... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> True, and as far as games sold, Xbox 360 is clearly in first place in
> that area.  Their tie ratio is 8:1
> (8 games sold for every console sold).

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2334414,00.asp

The Wii is in second place and the PS3 is just behind it. However,
WiiSports is included in the games used to come up with the attach
rate so in reality the Wii is probably a bit behind the PS3.

This just goes to show how important the install base is. The Wii
makes up for the worst attach rate with sheer number of software
purchases.

> > Console sales aren't the most important figure - the number of games
> > sold is. For example, those who buy a Wii buy the fewest games.
>
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On Nov 13, 3:42 pm, "The dog from that film you saw"
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> "AirRaid" <airraidfigh... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > True, and as far as games sold, Xbox 360 is clearly in first place in
> > that area.  Their tie ratio is 8:1
> > (8 games sold for every console sold).
>
> >> Console sales aren't the most important figure - the number of games
> >> sold is. For example, those who buy a Wii buy the fewest games.
>
> the UK top 10 is currently dominated by wii games week in week out - maybe
> it's new owners each week but i doubt the software companies care about
> that.

Keep in mind that Wii Sports is always the top or second best selling
Wii game every single week because it's included with the console...
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Paul C. <Paul_C_NB.RemoveThis@yahoo.canospam> wrote:
> At least my PS3 didn't need to be replaced 6 times like the flawed in
> design 360.

My 360 is still chugging strong after 100s of hours of game play, whereas my
PS3 died after playing maybe a dozen movies.

I'm not too thrilled with Sony right now...

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On Nov 13, 9:15 am, Conor <conor_tur... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <20699a8f-bf06-4313-acee-
> 80d59efd8... DeleteThis @s9g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, AirRaid says...>> It's been two entire years since the release of PlayStation3.
>
> > In the United States *and* worldwide overall, PS3 is still in 3rd
> > place, thus last place, behind
> > Xbox 360 and Wii.    Even with several sales-surges in 2007 and 2008,
> > PS3 has not been able to overtake Xbox 360  in the U.S., Europe and
> > worldwide.    Respected game industry publications have stated they do
> > not think PS3 will break even for Sony, through its entire life
> > cycle.
>
> Console sales aren't the most important figure - the number of games
> sold is. For example, those who buy a Wii buy the fewest games.

The Wii attach rate is currently 5.5 or so (but is in reality 4.5
because Wii Sports comes with every system). The Xbox 360 attach rate
is currently 8.1.

This calculates to 183 million games for the Xbox 360 and 162 million
games for the Wii (using the more accurate 4.5 number) with about 1
year less for the Wii to build up both console and game sales. If even
just half of all Wii owners bought 1 extra game right now, the Wii
would be almost tied with the Xbox 360 in terms of total games sold.

Number of games sold is very important for Microsoft and Sony because
they make the most money in software sales but without good hardware
sales, you're dead in the water.
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"AirRaid" <airraidfighter DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> True, and as far as games sold, Xbox 360 is clearly in first place in
> that area. Their tie ratio is 8:1
> (8 games sold for every console sold).
>
>> Console sales aren't the most important figure - the number of games
>> sold is. For example, those who buy a Wii buy the fewest games.



the UK top 10 is currently dominated by wii games week in week out - maybe
it's new owners each week but i doubt the software companies care about
that.




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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:03:11 -0800 (PST), The alMIGHTY N
<natlee75.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Nov 13, 2:36 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac....DeleteThis@rawbw.com> wrote:
>> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Paul C. <Paul_C....DeleteThis@yahoo.canospam> wrote:
>>
>> > At least my PS3 didn't need to be replaced 6 times like the flawed in
>> > design 360.
>>
>> My 360 is still chugging strong after 100s of hours of game play, whereas my
>> PS3 died after playing maybe a dozen movies.
>>
>> I'm not too thrilled with Sony right now...
>
>I have to say that this is the first time I've heard of a Playstation
>3 dying. I imagine I've watched many dozens of Blu-Ray movies, if not
>more, as well as several dozen DVDs and video files transferred to the
>hard drive without so much as a hiccup. Oh, and I have played a few
>games here and there.

my cousin has had 3 in 6 months, first one was overheating and the
other one just died on him whilst playing a game one day, no idea what
happened to it.

obviously, he's been pretty unlucky, but no electrical hardware has a
0% failure rate, just aint gonna happen
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