Anyone else worried about the state of 360

"Albert Davila" <logikil.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry to say, but from a pretty diehard 360 owner, I am seriously worried
> about the state of the 360 in this upcoming year. Gears 2 is not going to
> stay the tide when the PS3 is running with.

I haven't yet bought into the current gen of console hardware. I have the
original Xbox and had thought moving up to the Xbox360 would be the easy
decision. I still need to get an HDTV before making the move. I'll
probably do so this holiday season if not earlier (summer). At the moment
Xbox360 has a slight edge, mainly due to Halo3, but I may end up going with
PS3 if things continue with Xbox360 as they have so far.

> 1. A unified HD disc format
> 2. MGS4 (included as a pack in with the 80GB for 499)
> 3. Number of other exclusives

The main issue is Blu-ray is now the standard HD format and PS3 is one of
the most affordable ways to get a Blu-ray player. Of course, this is one of
the reasons PS3 owner game attach rate is so much lower than with the X360.

> Why is MS not looking to secure developers rather then paying for timed

This is probably the major concern. MS has very few exclusives and haven't
proven they can manage franchises well. So far they only have Halo, Project
Gothem, and possibly Forza as good franchises. All of the titles from FASA
are gone. Bungie is no longer owned by Microsoft so there is no telling
when the next Bungie developed Halo title will come out - Bungie's sure to
want to do something else first.

Microsoft has serious problems in committing to and developing franchises.
They screwed up Mech Assault and Shadowrun. They should not have cut FASA
loose, they should have developed an RPG based on Shadowrun, and brought
back the Mechwarrior series (that was popular on PCs) on X360. Where is
the Perfect Dark series going? Will we see much more in the way of titles
from Rare?

> exclusives? Why are they not rushing to release a much more solid piece of
> tech? Why are they not moving to fix DRM issues faster? Why are they
> killing
> XBLA with a stupid arbitrary size limit? Why are they not letting us put
> our
> own hdd in the system?

HD-DVD is now officially dead. It's too late to put Blu-ray into the
system. About the only move Microsoft could make is to standardize on a
hard disk system. I'm not sure how many of the non-hard disk systems MS has
sold though.

> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was my
> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I do)
> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take
> Two?
> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and
> all
> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess because
> I
> see so many lost opportunities.

I think PS3 has a good shot at selling a lot more systems this holiday
season than Xbox360. I think X360 still has the lead with a better
library, but the gap is rapidly closing and will be almost gone by the
holiday season.

As for going after Take Two, Microsoft can't afford to upset EA. What would
happen if EA suddenly shifted to favor PS3? Suppose PS3's version of
Madden was made *much* better than on X360? What if EA canceled the rest of
the Mass Effect series? Also Microsoft doesn't want the headache of owning
GTA outright. Too much possibility of lawsuits and boycotts that could
spill over to their other products.

Personally, I'd love to see Microsoft buy Take Two and then carve up the
holdings. Take Two still owns the rights to Myth, and that would be a great
hook for Bungie. They could return to a beloved franchise and work
exclusively on an Xbox360/Windows PC title that isn't Halo. It would be
great to see a MMORPG set in the Myth background. Or even just a
multi-player coop RPG in the Myth setting.

I think Take Two also has Bethesda as one of it's developers. That would
give Microsoft control of the Elder Scrolls series and that would be great
exclusive to pick up.

Enough for now.

- James
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

Now that was an awesome response. Thanks for not going with the all too easy
and completely shallow "Whatever troll." In all honesty my main reason for
even posting what I did was on the off chance that someone from MS might
actually see it. If you have diehard fans like myself questioning the path
the system is taking it doesn't look good for those who have yet to make up
their minds.

Anyway I really appreciate the great response.


On 2/27/08 6:18 AM, in article uja$RNUeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl, "James
Duncan" <james.raymond.duncan DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:

>
> "Albert Davila" <logikil DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C3E9C82A.806%logikil@hotmail.com...
>> Sorry to say, but from a pretty diehard 360 owner, I am seriously worried
>> about the state of the 360 in this upcoming year. Gears 2 is not going to
>> stay the tide when the PS3 is running with.
>
> I haven't yet bought into the current gen of console hardware. I have the
> original Xbox and had thought moving up to the Xbox360 would be the easy
> decision. I still need to get an HDTV before making the move. I'll
> probably do so this holiday season if not earlier (summer). At the moment
> Xbox360 has a slight edge, mainly due to Halo3, but I may end up going with
> PS3 if things continue with Xbox360 as they have so far.
>
>> 1. A unified HD disc format
>> 2. MGS4 (included as a pack in with the 80GB for 499)
>> 3. Number of other exclusives
>
> The main issue is Blu-ray is now the standard HD format and PS3 is one of
> the most affordable ways to get a Blu-ray player. Of course, this is one of
> the reasons PS3 owner game attach rate is so much lower than with the X360.
>
>> Why is MS not looking to secure developers rather then paying for timed
>
> This is probably the major concern. MS has very few exclusives and haven't
> proven they can manage franchises well. So far they only have Halo, Project
> Gothem, and possibly Forza as good franchises. All of the titles from FASA
> are gone. Bungie is no longer owned by Microsoft so there is no telling
> when the next Bungie developed Halo title will come out - Bungie's sure to
> want to do something else first.
>
> Microsoft has serious problems in committing to and developing franchises.
> They screwed up Mech Assault and Shadowrun. They should not have cut FASA
> loose, they should have developed an RPG based on Shadowrun, and brought
> back the Mechwarrior series (that was popular on PCs) on X360. Where is
> the Perfect Dark series going? Will we see much more in the way of titles
> from Rare?
>
>> exclusives? Why are they not rushing to release a much more solid piece of
>> tech? Why are they not moving to fix DRM issues faster? Why are they
>> killing
>> XBLA with a stupid arbitrary size limit? Why are they not letting us put
>> our
>> own hdd in the system?
>
> HD-DVD is now officially dead. It's too late to put Blu-ray into the
> system. About the only move Microsoft could make is to standardize on a
> hard disk system. I'm not sure how many of the non-hard disk systems MS has
> sold though.
>
>> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was my
>> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I do)
>> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
>> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take
>> Two?
>> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and
>> all
>> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess because
>> I
>> see so many lost opportunities.
>
> I think PS3 has a good shot at selling a lot more systems this holiday
> season than Xbox360. I think X360 still has the lead with a better
> library, but the gap is rapidly closing and will be almost gone by the
> holiday season.
>
> As for going after Take Two, Microsoft can't afford to upset EA. What would
> happen if EA suddenly shifted to favor PS3? Suppose PS3's version of
> Madden was made *much* better than on X360? What if EA canceled the rest of
> the Mass Effect series? Also Microsoft doesn't want the headache of owning
> GTA outright. Too much possibility of lawsuits and boycotts that could
> spill over to their other products.
>
> Personally, I'd love to see Microsoft buy Take Two and then carve up the
> holdings. Take Two still owns the rights to Myth, and that would be a great
> hook for Bungie. They could return to a beloved franchise and work
> exclusively on an Xbox360/Windows PC title that isn't Halo. It would be
> great to see a MMORPG set in the Myth background. Or even just a
> multi-player coop RPG in the Myth setting.
>
> I think Take Two also has Bethesda as one of it's developers. That would
> give Microsoft control of the Elder Scrolls series and that would be great
> exclusive to pick up.
>
> Enough for now.
>
> - James
>
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

> my main reason for even posting what I did was on the off
> chance that someone from MS might actually see it.

If they have they probably thought; "Whatever, troll"
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

Maybe Microsoft is looking at buying control of EA Games after EA extends
it's self too far
"Conor" <conor_turton.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:62jjfcF223rbkU1@mid.individual.net...
> In article <C3E9C82A.806%logikil@hotmail.com>, Albert Davila says...
>> Sorry to say, but from a pretty diehard 360 owner, I am seriously worried
>> about the state of the 360 in this upcoming year. Gears 2 is not going to
>> stay the tide when the PS3 is running with.
>>
>> 1. A unified HD disc format
>> 2. MGS4 (included as a pack in with the 80GB for 499)
>> 3. Number of other exclusives
>>
>> Why is MS not looking to secure developers rather then paying for timed
>> exclusives? Why are they not rushing to release a much more solid piece
>> of
>> tech? Why are they not moving to fix DRM issues faster? Why are they
>> killing
>> XBLA with a stupid arbitrary size limit? Why are they not letting us put
>> our
>> own hdd in the system?
>>
>> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was my
>> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I do)
>> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
>> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take
>> Two?
>> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and
>> all
>> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess because
>> I
>> see so many lost opportunities.
>>
> Whatever, troll.
>
> --
> Conor
>
> I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
> looking good either. - Scott Adams
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

"Conor" <conor_turton RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:62jjfcF223rbkU1@mid.individual.net...
> In article <C3E9C82A.806%logikil@hotmail.com>, Albert Davila says...
>> Sorry to say, but from a pretty diehard 360 owner, I am seriously worried
>> about the state of the 360 in this upcoming year. Gears 2 is not going to
>> stay the tide when the PS3 is running with.
>>
>> 1. A unified HD disc format
>> 2. MGS4 (included as a pack in with the 80GB for 499)
>> 3. Number of other exclusives
>>
>> Why is MS not looking to secure developers rather then paying for timed
>> exclusives? Why are they not rushing to release a much more solid piece
>> of
>> tech? Why are they not moving to fix DRM issues faster? Why are they
>> killing
>> XBLA with a stupid arbitrary size limit? Why are they not letting us put
>> our
>> own hdd in the system?
>>
>> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was my
>> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I do)
>> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
>> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take
>> Two?
>> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and
>> all
>> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess because
>> I
>> see so many lost opportunities.
>>
> Whatever, troll.

I concur Coner, I smell someone who's sorry they bought a PS3 instead of an
XBox.

Even with my wired Rock Band (which works with my Gibson controllers, so yes
I can play 4 player without having to go online, of which I hear no one is
online on PS3 rock band), XBox owns PS3. At this point it doesn't really
matter if MGS4 isn't gonna come out on XBox, (yet,) and besides that theres
only one other game i'm remotely interested in playing that's a PS3
exclusive (for now) (Wipeout). 2 Titles is hardly an exclusive line up, and
honestly I could care less about MGS, and while I enjoy a good final
fantasy, I don't see a release date for XIII, XIII-B, XIII-C.

It's nice that Sony PS3 is starting to make a comeback, but my buddy sold me
his old blu-ray player for $50, so I'm covered. KTHXBAI.

Sell your PS3 now before no one will take it.
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

Ya gotta admit what you said sounds like a total Sony Fanboi. (Thus the
Troll comment applies here, this is an xbox forum) If you aren't you should
seriously stop whining, enjoy what ya got. I mean do you really need a
Blu-Ray player? Is MGS4 really that great a game? Will FF13 ever come out?
No idea what else you need.

PS3 controller, still have to sync them each time you turn them on. No dual
shock, or you can spend $55 on one?

Game selection still lacks anything remotely interesting that isn't on 360
as well.

Graphics aren't that much better than 360

I've noticed game prices drop faster on 360

Ya, gotta pay for xbox live gold, but at least when you get on there are
people to play with. Price for Live Gold is $3/month if you know where to
look.

Red Ring? Well you're boned, at least Microsoft will try to fix it for free.
Could be worse, but not much.

DRM, don't buy it if you don't like it. Load up limewire or something, get
some viruses while you're at it.

I

Could

Go

On

...

"logikil" <logikil RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C3EAD987.95B%logikil@hotmail.com...
> Now that was an awesome response. Thanks for not going with the all too
> easy
> and completely shallow "Whatever troll." In all honesty my main reason for
> even posting what I did was on the off chance that someone from MS might
> actually see it. If you have diehard fans like myself questioning the path
> the system is taking it doesn't look good for those who have yet to make
> up
> their minds.
>
> Anyway I really appreciate the great response.
>
>
> On 2/27/08 6:18 AM, in article uja$RNUeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl,
> "James
> Duncan" <james.raymond.duncan RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Albert Davila" <logikil RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:C3E9C82A.806%logikil@hotmail.com...
>>> Sorry to say, but from a pretty diehard 360 owner, I am seriously
>>> worried
>>> about the state of the 360 in this upcoming year. Gears 2 is not going
>>> to
>>> stay the tide when the PS3 is running with.
>>
>> I haven't yet bought into the current gen of console hardware. I have
>> the
>> original Xbox and had thought moving up to the Xbox360 would be the easy
>> decision. I still need to get an HDTV before making the move. I'll
>> probably do so this holiday season if not earlier (summer). At the
>> moment
>> Xbox360 has a slight edge, mainly due to Halo3, but I may end up going
>> with
>> PS3 if things continue with Xbox360 as they have so far.
>>
>>> 1. A unified HD disc format
>>> 2. MGS4 (included as a pack in with the 80GB for 499)
>>> 3. Number of other exclusives
>>
>> The main issue is Blu-ray is now the standard HD format and PS3 is one of
>> the most affordable ways to get a Blu-ray player. Of course, this is one
>> of
>> the reasons PS3 owner game attach rate is so much lower than with the
>> X360.
>>
>>> Why is MS not looking to secure developers rather then paying for timed
>>
>> This is probably the major concern. MS has very few exclusives and
>> haven't
>> proven they can manage franchises well. So far they only have Halo,
>> Project
>> Gothem, and possibly Forza as good franchises. All of the titles from
>> FASA
>> are gone. Bungie is no longer owned by Microsoft so there is no telling
>> when the next Bungie developed Halo title will come out - Bungie's sure
>> to
>> want to do something else first.
>>
>> Microsoft has serious problems in committing to and developing
>> franchises.
>> They screwed up Mech Assault and Shadowrun. They should not have cut
>> FASA
>> loose, they should have developed an RPG based on Shadowrun, and brought
>> back the Mechwarrior series (that was popular on PCs) on X360. Where
>> is
>> the Perfect Dark series going? Will we see much more in the way of
>> titles
>> from Rare?
>>
>>> exclusives? Why are they not rushing to release a much more solid piece
>>> of
>>> tech? Why are they not moving to fix DRM issues faster? Why are they
>>> killing
>>> XBLA with a stupid arbitrary size limit? Why are they not letting us put
>>> our
>>> own hdd in the system?
>>
>> HD-DVD is now officially dead. It's too late to put Blu-ray into the
>> system. About the only move Microsoft could make is to standardize on a
>> hard disk system. I'm not sure how many of the non-hard disk systems MS
>> has
>> sold though.
>>
>>> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was
>>> my
>>> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I
>>> do)
>>> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
>>> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take
>>> Two?
>>> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and
>>> all
>>> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess
>>> because
>>> I
>>> see so many lost opportunities.
>>
>> I think PS3 has a good shot at selling a lot more systems this holiday
>> season than Xbox360. I think X360 still has the lead with a better
>> library, but the gap is rapidly closing and will be almost gone by the
>> holiday season.
>>
>> As for going after Take Two, Microsoft can't afford to upset EA. What
>> would
>> happen if EA suddenly shifted to favor PS3? Suppose PS3's version of
>> Madden was made *much* better than on X360? What if EA canceled the rest
>> of
>> the Mass Effect series? Also Microsoft doesn't want the headache of
>> owning
>> GTA outright. Too much possibility of lawsuits and boycotts that could
>> spill over to their other products.
>>
>> Personally, I'd love to see Microsoft buy Take Two and then carve up the
>> holdings. Take Two still owns the rights to Myth, and that would be a
>> great
>> hook for Bungie. They could return to a beloved franchise and work
>> exclusively on an Xbox360/Windows PC title that isn't Halo. It would be
>> great to see a MMORPG set in the Myth background. Or even just a
>> multi-player coop RPG in the Myth setting.
>>
>> I think Take Two also has Bethesda as one of it's developers. That would
>> give Microsoft control of the Elder Scrolls series and that would be
>> great
>> exclusive to pick up.
>>
>> Enough for now.
>>
>> - James
>>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

Lets correct a couple misstatements from you:

1. Not a Sony Fanboi at all. I own all three systems and play the 360 much
more then either the wii or the PS3. Feel free to lookup my gamertag if you
are so inclined.

2. I do enjoy all 3 boxes. I never called enjoyment into question.

3. I never called graphics into question either.

4. Do I need Bluray....well that depends. I am a videophile. I bought the
systems and equipment that I own (except the wii, because it does look blech
pretty often) because I love hidef. I had invested in both blu ray and
hd-dvd. Having Bluray as an integral part of the PS3 is one hell of a bonus,
and was why I actually bought it first because it sure didn't have any great
games.

5. I actually won't complain much about Live as I do think its a better
overall service then PSN...but there is something to be said for free.

6. You can't just dismiss the red ring issue as if it means nothing. People
know about it, and I am sure it affects some folks purchases.

My original comment isn't something that fans of the 360 should dismiss as
trollish or fanboi. It is a legitimate series of concerns from a huge fan
of the system. If you look at them carefully and they still don't concern
you then more power to you, but to ignore them outright is fanboi blindness.
Don't you want the 360 to continue to succeed? I do and as someone who loved
the original xbox more than the PS2 by far I do want the 360 to ultimately
win out over the PS3, but MS is killing the goodwill that those of us who
were diehard fans have seen fit to bestow.


On 2/28/08 4:50 PM, in article
C3B17E06-3B25-456E-842F-2E1CDE00A245.DeleteThis@microsoft.com, "Andy [YaYa]"
<android8675.DeleteThis@MAPSONhotmail.com> wrote:

> Ya gotta admit what you said sounds like a total Sony Fanboi. (Thus the
> Troll comment applies here, this is an xbox forum) If you aren't you should
> seriously stop whining, enjoy what ya got. I mean do you really need a
> Blu-Ray player? Is MGS4 really that great a game? Will FF13 ever come out?
> No idea what else you need.
>
> PS3 controller, still have to sync them each time you turn them on. No dual
> shock, or you can spend $55 on one?
>
> Game selection still lacks anything remotely interesting that isn't on 360
> as well.
>
> Graphics aren't that much better than 360
>
> I've noticed game prices drop faster on 360
>
> Ya, gotta pay for xbox live gold, but at least when you get on there are
> people to play with. Price for Live Gold is $3/month if you know where to
> look.
>
> Red Ring? Well you're boned, at least Microsoft will try to fix it for free.
> Could be worse, but not much.
>
> DRM, don't buy it if you don't like it. Load up limewire or something, get
> some viruses while you're at it.
>
> I
>
> Could
>
> Go
>
> On
>
> ..
>
>
> "logikil" <logikil.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C3EAD987.95B%logikil@hotmail.com...
>> Now that was an awesome response. Thanks for not going with the all too
>> easy
>> and completely shallow "Whatever troll." In all honesty my main reason for
>> even posting what I did was on the off chance that someone from MS might
>> actually see it. If you have diehard fans like myself questioning the path
>> the system is taking it doesn't look good for those who have yet to make
>> up
>> their minds.
>>
>> Anyway I really appreciate the great response.
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/08 6:18 AM, in article uja$RNUeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl,
>> "James
>> Duncan" <james.raymond.duncan.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Albert Davila" <logikil.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:C3E9C82A.806%logikil@hotmail.com...
>>>> Sorry to say, but from a pretty diehard 360 owner, I am seriously
>>>> worried
>>>> about the state of the 360 in this upcoming year. Gears 2 is not going
>>>> to
>>>> stay the tide when the PS3 is running with.
>>>
>>> I haven't yet bought into the current gen of console hardware. I have
>>> the
>>> original Xbox and had thought moving up to the Xbox360 would be the easy
>>> decision. I still need to get an HDTV before making the move. I'll
>>> probably do so this holiday season if not earlier (summer). At the
>>> moment
>>> Xbox360 has a slight edge, mainly due to Halo3, but I may end up going
>>> with
>>> PS3 if things continue with Xbox360 as they have so far.
>>>
>>>> 1. A unified HD disc format
>>>> 2. MGS4 (included as a pack in with the 80GB for 499)
>>>> 3. Number of other exclusives
>>>
>>> The main issue is Blu-ray is now the standard HD format and PS3 is one of
>>> the most affordable ways to get a Blu-ray player. Of course, this is one
>>> of
>>> the reasons PS3 owner game attach rate is so much lower than with the
>>> X360.
>>>
>>>> Why is MS not looking to secure developers rather then paying for timed
>>>
>>> This is probably the major concern. MS has very few exclusives and
>>> haven't
>>> proven they can manage franchises well. So far they only have Halo,
>>> Project
>>> Gothem, and possibly Forza as good franchises. All of the titles from
>>> FASA
>>> are gone. Bungie is no longer owned by Microsoft so there is no telling
>>> when the next Bungie developed Halo title will come out - Bungie's sure
>>> to
>>> want to do something else first.
>>>
>>> Microsoft has serious problems in committing to and developing
>>> franchises.
>>> They screwed up Mech Assault and Shadowrun. They should not have cut
>>> FASA
>>> loose, they should have developed an RPG based on Shadowrun, and brought
>>> back the Mechwarrior series (that was popular on PCs) on X360. Where
>>> is
>>> the Perfect Dark series going? Will we see much more in the way of
>>> titles
>>> from Rare?
>>>
>>>> exclusives? Why are they not rushing to release a much more solid piece
>>>> of
>>>> tech? Why are they not moving to fix DRM issues faster? Why are they
>>>> killing
>>>> XBLA with a stupid arbitrary size limit? Why are they not letting us put
>>>> our
>>>> own hdd in the system?
>>>
>>> HD-DVD is now officially dead. It's too late to put Blu-ray into the
>>> system. About the only move Microsoft could make is to standardize on a
>>> hard disk system. I'm not sure how many of the non-hard disk systems MS
>>> has
>>> sold though.
>>>
>>>> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was
>>>> my
>>>> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I
>>>> do)
>>>> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
>>>> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take
>>>> Two?
>>>> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and
>>>> all
>>>> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess
>>>> because
>>>> I
>>>> see so many lost opportunities.
>>>
>>> I think PS3 has a good shot at selling a lot more systems this holiday
>>> season than Xbox360. I think X360 still has the lead with a better
>>> library, but the gap is rapidly closing and will be almost gone by the
>>> holiday season.
>>>
>>> As for going after Take Two, Microsoft can't afford to upset EA. What
>>> would
>>> happen if EA suddenly shifted to favor PS3? Suppose PS3's version of
>>> Madden was made *much* better than on X360? What if EA canceled the rest
>>> of
>>> the Mass Effect series? Also Microsoft doesn't want the headache of
>>> owning
>>> GTA outright. Too much possibility of lawsuits and boycotts that could
>>> spill over to their other products.
>>>
>>> Personally, I'd love to see Microsoft buy Take Two and then carve up the
>>> holdings. Take Two still owns the rights to Myth, and that would be a
>>> great
>>> hook for Bungie. They could return to a beloved franchise and work
>>> exclusively on an Xbox360/Windows PC title that isn't Halo. It would be
>>> great to see a MMORPG set in the Myth background. Or even just a
>>> multi-player coop RPG in the Myth setting.
>>>
>>> I think Take Two also has Bethesda as one of it's developers. That would
>>> give Microsoft control of the Elder Scrolls series and that would be
>>> great
>>> exclusive to pick up.
>>>
>>> Enough for now.
>>>
>>> - James
>>>
>>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

On Feb 26, 3:44 pm, Albert Davila <logi... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was my
> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I do)
> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take Two?
> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and all
> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess because I
> see so many lost opportunities.

So what? If the XBox line dies just move on to a new system. All
your old games will still work. The world will stin turn. The sun
will still rise.

I don't understand why people put so much emotional capital into a
relatively inexpensive physical device. It's NOT that big of a deal.
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

"WDS" <Bill RemoveThis @seurer.net> wrote in message
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> On Feb 26, 3:44 pm, Albert Davila <logi... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was my
>> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I do)
>> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
>> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take
>> Two?
>> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and
>> all
>> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess because
>> I
>> see so many lost opportunities.
>
> So what? If the XBox line dies just move on to a new system. All
> your old games will still work. The world will stin turn. The sun
> will still rise.
>
> I don't understand why people put so much emotional capital into a
> relatively inexpensive physical device. It's NOT that big of a deal.

And ironically PC Gamers are more than happy to drop $500 every 3-4 months
on PC hardware. Man if Consoles could harness the power of hardware upgrades
they'd become PCs.

30 games, damn I bought my xbox about 5 months ago and only have only bought
about 6 games, but still consider is a great investment.

Why would MS block EA buying Take 2? I don't get the reference. Now that EA
has a CEO that seems genuinely interested in bringing in new talent, and
starting up new IPs (one of which is already a hit in my book, though not
the best game, certainly a potentially great series (Army of 2)), etc. I
talked to some friends in Austin working at Bioware, they have already had
one on one's with Ricitello, in person and they love what he's trying to do.

I see great things in gaming for the next couple years. I think 360 isn't
going away in 08. Hell PS2 is still outselling PS3, proof that great systems
can outlive their lifecycle.

I do hope the Live subscription goes away soon though.

-A.
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

I whole-heartedly agree with three of your major points. Fix the hardware
(on system number five since launch), won't upgrade to an Elite because of
the DRM issues, I won't partake in the digital distribution because I'm not
ponying up $180 for 120Gb of HD space. As it is when I delete all the
unnecessary stuff from my little 20Gb I barely have 4.2 Gb of space. I LIKE
to keep my favorite game videos and game related DLC for use on demand. I
don't want to weed through my content and queue up a new download everytime
I want to use something I've already bought.

Frustrating. I too am a big 360 fan and supporter. I've got 28 games on my
shelf and a bunch of arcade titles. I've bought a 360 for my son and my wife
as well as getting my bro-in-law roped into the 360 via CoD4. I want it to
succeed and its got so much potential as well as doing a lot of things
right. Its just that the issues the platform does have are some pretty
serious ones.

I really want either a new SKU with a larger HD and an integrated Blu-ray
drive or at the minimum a Blu-ray add on. I bought the HD-DVD add-on and
really enjoyed it. I also bought probably 10-12 movies and will buy more
when the fire sales really kick into high gear. Thing is, they're going to
push me into buying a PeeS3 soon if they don't come out with a solution
quickly. I REALLY don't want to do that.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

"Albert Davila" <logikil.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry to say, but from a pretty diehard 360 owner, I am seriously worried
> about the state of the 360 in this upcoming year. Gears 2 is not going to
> stay the tide when the PS3 is running with.
>
> 1. A unified HD disc format
> 2. MGS4 (included as a pack in with the 80GB for 499)
> 3. Number of other exclusives
>
> Why is MS not looking to secure developers rather then paying for timed
> exclusives? Why are they not rushing to release a much more solid piece of
> tech? Why are they not moving to fix DRM issues faster? Why are they
> killing
> XBLA with a stupid arbitrary size limit? Why are they not letting us put
> our
> own hdd in the system?
>
> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was my
> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I do)
> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take
> Two?
> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and
> all
> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess because
> I
> see so many lost opportunities.
>
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

My 2 cents. Not worried. Just looking forward to the continuous flow of
content for the titles that I like. I will add that a 360 "strength" is
their LIVE! service. I would have been done with Halo and COD4 last year
but for Live!, I play every week with my buddies that are spread across my
state. Love the headset capability. The Live! service made the Xbox360 a
very valuable entertainment asset to me.

I love a good single player campaign as much as the next guy but LIVE! gives
my games near endless replay value. This is a real strength for owning the
X360. Just for the social aspect alone, not to mentioned conintuous
content; title map packs, game types, music, movie rentals, arcade games,
instant messaging, streaming to Xbox from my PC and also marketplace
content: all because of LIVE! If my friends and I could do all of this on
PS3 as easily, and had the same calibur of titles and content available,
we'd go PS3 but as it stands, X360 has earned our current loyalty.

sidenote:
I do like the BluRay player in the PS3 though. However, I am of the opinion
that "physical" formats will mean less and less as the market continues to
evolve. As the content becomes "always available", easily accessible and
bandwidth keeps expanding... I'll have no need to collect disc media, like
VHS tapes, CD's or DVD's for that matter. My ISP is expanding it's
bandwidth in 2009 that will allow an HD movie to completely download in like
4 minutes and HD movies can stream right now without interuption. I can
watch HD movies on my xbox without having to have an HD or blueray player
because I'm using physical media.

So the PS3 is not making me worry and I'm not worried about the state of the
360. For me, it's content along with Live! service and neither are in any
danger of going away and it will only improve over time.

thanks for reading this far.


"Albert Davila" <logikil.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C3E9C82A.806%logikil@hotmail.com...
> Sorry to say, but from a pretty diehard 360 owner, I am seriously worried
> about the state of the 360 in this upcoming year. Gears 2 is not going to
> stay the tide when the PS3 is running with.
>
> 1. A unified HD disc format
> 2. MGS4 (included as a pack in with the 80GB for 499)
> 3. Number of other exclusives
>
> Why is MS not looking to secure developers rather then paying for timed
> exclusives? Why are they not rushing to release a much more solid piece of
> tech? Why are they not moving to fix DRM issues faster? Why are they
> killing
> XBLA with a stupid arbitrary size limit? Why are they not letting us put
> our
> own hdd in the system?
>
> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was my
> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I do)
> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take
> Two?
> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and
> all
> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess because
> I
> see so many lost opportunities.
>
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360 

Not to fear Albert, There have been a few rumors about a possible recall of
the 360's, this is not a surprise to you I'm sure, but still, as there is a
possibility of a recall, I had to ask the question; "so what change is going
to be made?" well, this is what I found out. The 360 is(in awhile, maybe
2009) going to be re-released, with the hd-dvd drive built in and a higher
end coolant system. Now of course as the high def drive is going to be the
same drive as what you would play your games on, this of course could mean
that since its the same drive that you play your games on, can now read a 20
gb disk. This opens numberous doors in microsofts game development, and
allows the developers to cram just about as much data onto a disk as they
need to to make an enormous, and great looking game. I wouldnt worry about
the red ring of death worry, or any crazy talk about the xbox's games going
south, theres just a few road blocks every company faces when they release a
product a bit too soon.

"Albert Davila" wrote:

> Sorry to say, but from a pretty diehard 360 owner, I am seriously worried
> about the state of the 360 in this upcoming year. Gears 2 is not going to
> stay the tide when the PS3 is running with.
>
> 1. A unified HD disc format
> 2. MGS4 (included as a pack in with the 80GB for 499)
> 3. Number of other exclusives
>
> Why is MS not looking to secure developers rather then paying for timed
> exclusives? Why are they not rushing to release a much more solid piece of
> tech? Why are they not moving to fix DRM issues faster? Why are they killing
> XBLA with a stupid arbitrary size limit? Why are they not letting us put our
> own hdd in the system?
>
> I'm sorry folks but regardless of how much you love the system (it was my
> first of this gen and I own over 30 games for the box so believe me I do)
> you can't be blind to the problems facing the Xbox division are numerous
> going into 2008. Why is MS not moving to block the EA purchase of Take Two?
> Are you telling me that owning GTA IV outright as well as Bioshock, and all
> of the 2K sports, isn't worth it? I'm just a confused fan I guess because I
> see so many lost opportunities.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Anyone else worried about the state of 360