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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:10 am
Post subject: weird outpot off route...
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Hi together,
I am currently playing as LooseLand in the Changeling Blitz.
I am still a newbie, as I stated before, so maybe I am doing stupid,
or at least strange, things in your eyes at the emp_client prompt. But
hey, that's just me playing and learning...
Try typing "route foo *" in your emp_client, with foo being your
favorite commodity, and watch the ASCII output running down your
console, funny, isn't it?
Also path and route doesn't show me my distribution sectors and their
whole paths.
Hmm, what am I doing wrong... strange...
That's what I found out today.
Besides I haven't typed as much as in the past three days, fine, I am
proud of my typing capabilities as they might evolve that way... 
Best regards,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:19 pm
Post subject: Re: weird outpot off route... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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<metalevel.TakeThisOut@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:89b53e8e-dc25-42a9-bbb2-cf037bc83afe@d50g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Hi together,
>
> I am currently playing as LooseLand in the Changeling Blitz.
> I am still a newbie, as I stated before, so maybe I am doing stupid,
> or at least strange, things in your eyes at the emp_client prompt. But
> hey, that's just me playing and learning...
>
> Try typing "route foo *" in your emp_client, with foo being your
> favorite commodity, and watch the ASCII output running down your
> console, funny, isn't it?
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> Also path and route doesn't show me my distribution sectors and their
> whole paths.
> Hmm, what am I doing wrong... strange...
>
> That's what I found out today.
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> Besides I haven't typed as much as in the past three days, fine, I am
> proud of my typing capabilities as they might evolve that way...
>
> Best regards,
>
> dTerm
dTerm,
In 10+ years playing Empire, I have never used the 'path' command.
If I want to see the ideal path (path of min mob) as seen by the server,
I use the 'test' command. It displays the path and the total mob cost.
Route is useful for seeing where deliveries are set. I recommend only
using delivery for heavy commodities like iron and uws and then only
when you are fairly proficient - I do not recommend its use for novices.
Distribution is fairly straightforward and low maintenance. As long
as your distribution network is not too large and you do not try disting
lots of heavy things like uws or mils or vast quantities of things like
civs or iron, you set it up and forget about it. (Disting heavy things
depletes all mob in dist point and strands all commodities there. If you
have 61 mob in your dist point after the update, this is the problem.
Also, during the update, no more than 9999 of a commodity can be
in the dist sector even as an intermediate state so if you try this with
iron, iron over this quantity will still be in your mines after the update.)
One more thing - do not deplete the mob from the dist point moving
things with the 'move' command. distribution uses the mob present
BEFORE the update. ALWAYS keep at least 60 mob in your dist point!
Use 'distribute' to set up the dist point at a harbor or warehouse.
Use 'threshold' to set the quantity desired in a sector after the update.
Use 'level' to see a summary of the thresholds. Of course 'census'
and 'commodity' show summaries of existing items. From a text client,
you will want to set 'realms' such as #1, #2, etc. Then you can visualize
your country with command sequences like:
map #1
cen #1
comm #1
level #1
dist #1 0,0
thres i #1 ?des=m 1
thres i #1 ?des=j 600
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:03 pm
Post subject: Re: weird outpot off route... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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hi again,
after just reading the bug-reports file in doc, I noticed, that my
posting isn't, well, formally correct and could be done better.
So tomorrow I will come up with a more detailed report about it.
Nevermind.
Good night,
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:13 am
Post subject: Re: weird outpot off route... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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hi again,
thanks Tom, for your hints, that's been exactly the things
I was just learning and struggeling with.
Now here are the problems I have so far:
1) When typing "route foo *", the client gives weird
output back, and sometimes even breaks the connection to
the server. I have attached screenshot3.jpg, showing how
it looks like then. Though I know, that this isn't the
proper use of the route command and therefor no bug; for
me it's still something, that should be intercepted by the
server.
2) When I run path to show me the distribution path of
some commdodity, it doesn't show the full path, as
described in the info file, but only the path for one or
two sectors.
screenshot1.jpg shows the output of path, together with
some output of commodity and level.
A simmilar thing occurs, when using route. It doesn't show
me the sectors, which distribute, only the one that
deliver. Unfortunately I haven't any screenshot of that,
sorry.
3) No distribution occurs, though, as of my knowledge, it
should. In screenshot3.jpg you can see the corresponding
output of commodity, census, and map.
What am I doing wrong??
Maybe there's some calculation problem with the mil
number, since budget often shows me different (too little)
numbers of mil than census does.
I still using the native empire client shiped with the
windows binaries release version 4.3.10 and currently log
in to the Changeling Blitz.
Maybe someone's got any idea, whats wrong, or at least,
what I am doing wrong!
I just notice, that the Google Groups web interface doesn't let me
attach anything to this posting, or I am too stupid to use it
properly. Anyway I will send them everyone by email, who wishes to
help me with these issues.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:10 am
Post subject: Re: weird outpot off route... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> 1) When typing "route foo *", the client gives weird
> output back, and sometimes even breaks the connection to
> the server. I have attached screenshot3.jpg, showing how
> it looks like then. Though I know, that this isn't the
> proper use of the route command and therefor no bug; for
> me it's still something, that should be intercepted by the
> server.
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Should be using route foo #0 or widen the terminal settings.
The map is too wide for the current terminal settings.
> 2) When I run path to show me the distribution path of
> some commdodity, it doesn't show the full path, as
> described in the info file, but only the path for one or
> two sectors.
> screenshot1.jpg shows the output of path, together with
> some output of commodity and level.
> A simmilar thing occurs, when using route. It doesn't show
> me the sectors, which distribute, only the one that
> deliver. Unfortunately I haven't any screenshot of that,
> sorry.
>
This is bug in the server, it is currently showing only every
second step of the path.
> 3) No distribution occurs, though, as of my knowledge, it
> should. In screenshot3.jpg you can see the corresponding
> output of commodity, census, and map.
> What am I doing wrong??
> Maybe there's some calculation problem with the mil
> number, since budget often shows me different (too little)
> numbers of mil than census does.
>
This appears that your thresholds are set to zero instead 1.
It it is zero, it will not move anything.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:31 pm
Post subject: Re: weird outpot off route... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 17 Nov., 22:36, Markus Armbruster <arm....TakeThisOut@pond.sub.org> wrote:
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> I can't see your attachment.
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> Most clients can log your session to a text file. With the basic
> client, try empire -2 bla.log. You can then cut & paste relevant
> portions of text from that file.
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> Output of route will look funny if the map is too wide for your
> terminal. But dropping the connection to the server sounds like a
> bug, either in your client or the server.
Hello Markus,
I am too stupid to attach the screenshots via Google Group's web
interface, so I can only send them by mail this time, but my question
are answered, so far.
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> You found a bug. Ron fixed it right away. Thanks!
Great! He already informed me...
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> route only shows deliveries.
Well then the route info page is not up-to-date any longer.
Ok, I can live with that.
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> Did Ron's tip help?
I haven't checked it yet, but will do soon. I am going to join the
Zebra Blitz tomorrow, then we'll see, how things work.
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> That's a stupid, old bug in budget. It counts mil (correctly),
> computes their cost (correctly), forgets the mil count, then computes
> it from the cost (not quite correctly). Haven't got around to fixing
> that one.
Ok, I already wondered about this one. Anyway, now I know...
>
> Questions, bring'em on!
Ok, I already got one again. Please. don't get me wrong, nothing
personally.
But, are you guys here on USENET always so sober/hard-headed??
Or am I too gushing???
Anyway, thanks, I'll memorize the empire -2 bla.log thing, for the
future...
Good night!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:24 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:36 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:26 am
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On 18 Nov., 10:12, Markus Armbruster <arm....DeleteThis@pond.sub.org> wrote:
> > Well then the route info page is not up-to-date any longer.
> > Ok, I can live with that.
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> Huh? It talks about delivery routes. What exactly made you think it
> shows something else? Maybe it needs clarification, and that's why
> I'm asking.
Hello again,
There you already got it. The route info page made me thinking of
that, since in my version 4.3.10 info page it states, that route also
shows the sector, which distribute, additionally to the delivery
routes. Or am I mistaken???
> I like to experiment on my own private server with only demand updates
> (set update_demand 2 and update_wantmin in econfig, and use an empty
> schedule file). That way I can trigger updates exactly when I'm ready
> for them.
Yeah, that's something I will also do most propably in the future.
When I am back to my SuSE Linux machine again, to be honest. But
thanks for the hints, I will most likely follow your advise.
That would be also more flexible, than depending on Zebra Blitz.
Unfortunately I am no hacker yet, but will become some sort of
qualified IT specialist soon. So then, maybe, I will get deeper into
the innards of the server code. That would be great to me...
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> Here in r.g.e., we're all mature, level-headed, polite people. Empire
> does that to you. Except when we're in a fit. Empire does that to
> you too.
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> I'm kidding you. Soberness on Usenet?!? Bwuahahahahaha!!! Unheard
> of! Where has the world come to?!? Imminent death of Usenet
> predicted!!! Film at eleven.
Ohhh, now I feel very much relieved!! Well, I don't know the average
age here in RGE, but I believe I'm still very young, compared to you
all. Therefor I still maybe a little bit childish and gushy.
> You're welcome & have fun!
Fine, thank you, I love innocuous fun.
Besides, I still wanted to say, that I have been searching very long
to find such a cute, aesthetic game as Empire. I love ASCII output,
also rogulike RPGs for example. Minimalism's great!
I'm already quiet...
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:12 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:37 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:45 pm
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