unconvinced by Oblivion

On Aug 11, 3:55 am, Beladi Nasralla <nasra....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A month ago, I got Oblivion, and played it for an hour or so (got to
> the stage when I got out from the caves to the river, and had a little
> walk in the city).
>
> After that, I lost interest. Too much walking, and too much talking.
>
> I must confess I am a FPS (first-person-shooter) person. I had been
> indifferent to RPG genre, but Oblivion was able to hook me up somewhat
> in the beginning. (I re-installed Windows soon after that, and did not
> play Oblivion.)
>
> I've discovered that there are other games which could be qualified as
> FPS with the elements of RPG. Such a game is Stalker -- Shadow of
> Chernobyl. And a soon-to-come BioShock. (I am currently pondering
> whether I should buy Stalker).
>
> Now I have the question -- why should I play Oblivion ? I just
> installed it into my computer again, and I am hesitating before the
> plunge (mind you, I have heaps of the unplayed games for which I paid
> money -- FEAR and FEAR Extention Pack, soon-to-come Half-Life 2
> Episode 2).

Maybe Oblivion is not for you. It is a role playing game. The
immersion of the walking and talking is part of the experience. If
you just want a stream of constant combat, Oblivion is not for you.
If you want the immersion of carefully sneaking up on your opponent to
deal a killing strike, for example, then Oblivion may have a much
richer combat system than you are used to and so may be entertaining.
Oblivion has little green dummy-arrows that will lead you where to go
for most of the quests, so you do not necessarily have to pay a lot of
attention to the dialogue.
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On Aug 11, 6:38 pm, DeAnn <DeAnn....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 11, 3:55 am, Beladi Nasralla <nasra....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > A month ago, I got Oblivion, and played it for an hour or so (got to
> > the stage when I got out from the caves to the river, and had a little
> > walk in the city).
>
> > After that, I lost interest. Too much walking, and too much talking.
>
> > I must confess I am a FPS (first-person-shooter) person. I had been
> > indifferent to RPG genre, but Oblivion was able to hook me up somewhat
> > in the beginning. (I re-installed Windows soon after that, and did not
> > play Oblivion.)
>
> > I've discovered that there are other games which could be qualified as
> > FPS with the elements of RPG. Such a game is Stalker -- Shadow of
> > Chernobyl. And a soon-to-come BioShock. (I am currently pondering
> > whether I should buy Stalker).
>
> > Now I have the question -- why should I play Oblivion ? I just
> > installed it into my computer again, and I am hesitating before the
> > plunge (mind you, I have heaps of the unplayed games for which I paid
> > money -- FEAR and FEAR Extention Pack, soon-to-come Half-Life 2
> > Episode 2).
>
> Maybe Oblivion is not for you. It is a role playing game. The
> immersion of the walking and talking is part of the experience. If
> you just want a stream of constant combat, Oblivion is not for you.
> If you want the immersion of carefully sneaking up on your opponent to
> deal a killing strike, for example, then Oblivion may have a much
> richer combat system than you are used to and so may be entertaining.
> Oblivion has little green dummy-arrows that will lead you where to go
> for most of the quests, so you do not necessarily have to pay a lot of
> attention to the dialogue.

Thanks a lot for the comments. I played Oblivion again, and I
discovered why I got impressed with it. I like the gothic-styled
graphics of the caves. It is very immersive.

I did not see the green dummy arrows, though.
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On Aug 11, 10:48 am, Beladi Nasralla <nasra... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 11, 6:38 pm, DeAnn <DeAnn... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
>
> > On Aug 11, 3:55 am, Beladi Nasralla <nasra... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > A month ago, I got Oblivion, and played it for an hour or so (got to
> > > the stage when I got out from the caves to the river, and had a little
> > > walk in the city).
>
> > > After that, I lost interest. Too much walking, and too much talking.
>
> > > I must confess I am a FPS (first-person-shooter) person. I had been
> > > indifferent to RPG genre, but Oblivion was able to hook me up somewhat
> > > in the beginning. (I re-installed Windows soon after that, and did not
> > > play Oblivion.)
>
> > > I've discovered that there are other games which could be qualified as
> > > FPS with the elements of RPG. Such a game is Stalker -- Shadow of
> > > Chernobyl. And a soon-to-come BioShock. (I am currently pondering
> > > whether I should buy Stalker).
>
> > > Now I have the question -- why should I play Oblivion ? I just
> > > installed it into my computer again, and I am hesitating before the
> > > plunge (mind you, I have heaps of the unplayed games for which I paid
> > > money -- FEAR and FEAR Extention Pack, soon-to-come Half-Life 2
> > > Episode 2).
>
> > Maybe Oblivion is not for you. It is a role playing game. The
> > immersion of the walking and talking is part of the experience. If
> > you just want a stream of constant combat, Oblivion is not for you.
> > If you want the immersion of carefully sneaking up on your opponent to
> > deal a killing strike, for example, then Oblivion may have a much
> > richer combat system than you are used to and so may be entertaining.
> > Oblivion has little green dummy-arrows that will lead you where to go
> > for most of the quests, so you do not necessarily have to pay a lot of
> > attention to the dialogue.
>
> Thanks a lot for the comments. I played Oblivion again, and I
> discovered why I got impressed with it. I like the gothic-styled
> graphics of the caves. It is very immersive.
>
> I did not see the green dummy arrows, though.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The green (or red) arrows are on the map and compass, they (usually)
point to the location of your current quest. If you are more
interested in combat than in puzzling out clues, they will be very
helpful in knowing where to go next to trigger your quest stages.

If you like combat, you will enjoy the Oblivion Gates, which start
appearing once you've done the first few parts of the main quest (take
the amulet to Jaffre and do what he tells you there). The gates are
pretty much combat runs. Most caves and abandoned forts are also
combat runs. So are the sewers in the Imperial City.
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Sounds like you need to study the Manual & some FAQ & walkthough Guides.
From what you write I would say definatly forget STALKER .
You might like MORROWIND, Oblivion's predecessor...still looks good
& the best of those Elder Scrolls series of games

GOTHIC 3 is probably your best choice ...lots of fighting...simple RPG
elements..
Or GOTHIC 2: Night Of The Raven
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse
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On Aug 12, 6:17 am, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-s... DeleteThis @never.spam> wrote:
> Sounds like you need to study the Manual & some FAQ & walkthough Guides.
> From what you write I would say definatly forget STALKER .
> You might like MORROWIND, Oblivion's predecessor...still looks good
> & the best of those Elder Scrolls series of games
>
> GOTHIC 3 is probably your best choice ...lots of fighting...simple RPG
> elements..
> Or GOTHIC 2: Night Of The Raven


I went to Amazon to read the users' reviews on this game (Gothic 3),
http://www.amazon.com/Aspyr-11231-Gothic-3/dp/B000FJTOL2

9 out of 10 reviewers are bashing it for bugs and for some
thoughtlessness in controls. Such a game is not immersive. And the
greatest titles which I enjoyed playing so much are immersive. And
they are immersive probably because everything is balanced: the
storyline, the graphics, the controls, the freedom of movement and so
on. Such great titles are Half-Life 2 (there is currently discussion
on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action uder the title "Half-Life 2 three
years on.", why is it). The other great gane which I really enjoyed
playing was the the quest "Syberia 2". In this game, the graphics were
beautiful, the artists put lots of thought into designing the gadgets,
scene and storyline, and all quests were natural. They were diverse,
too. This is what makes a great game. The third great game which I
played was Wolfensten 3D and Doom... although it is from the far past.

Some reviewer on the Amazon website said that Gothic 3 was as
immersive as Oblivion and even more. Well, that's good news, but
probably at the moment I am not ready to test that given the negative
reviews.
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"Beladi Nasralla" <nasra11a.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 12, 6:17 am, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-s....DeleteThis@never.spam> wrote:
>> Sounds like you need to study the Manual & some FAQ & walkthough Guides.
>> From what you write I would say definatly forget STALKER .
>> You might like MORROWIND, Oblivion's predecessor...still looks good
>> & the best of those Elder Scrolls series of games
>>
>> GOTHIC 3 is probably your best choice ...lots of fighting...simple RPG
>> elements..
>> Or GOTHIC 2: Night Of The Raven
>
>
> I went to Amazon to read the users' reviews on this game (Gothic 3),
> http://www.amazon.com/Aspyr-11231-Gothic-3/dp/B000FJTOL2
>
> 9 out of 10 reviewers are bashing it for bugs and for some
> thoughtlessness in controls. Such a game is not immersive. And the
> greatest titles which I enjoyed playing so much are immersive. And
> they are immersive probably because everything is balanced: the
> storyline, the graphics, the controls, the freedom of movement and so
> on. Such great titles are Half-Life 2 (there is currently discussion
> on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action uder the title "Half-Life 2 three
> years on.", why is it). The other great gane which I really enjoyed
> playing was the the quest "Syberia 2". In this game, the graphics were
> beautiful, the artists put lots of thought into designing the gadgets,
> scene and storyline, and all quests were natural. They were diverse,
> too. This is what makes a great game. The third great game which I
> played was Wolfensten 3D and Doom... although it is from the far past.
>
> Some reviewer on the Amazon website said that Gothic 3 was as
> immersive as Oblivion and even more. Well, that's good news, but
> probably at the moment I am not ready to test that given the negative
> reviews.
>

Good for you. You like Shooters and ACTION.

We, the Morrowind and Oblivion players enjoy the RPG values much more than
the killing.

See ya.

drybones
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"Beladi Nasralla" <nasra11a DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Now I have the question -- why should I play Oblivion ?

What, is it my role to sell it to you? Just don't play it, I'm sure
Bethesda won't take it personally.
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> "Beladi Nasralla" <nasra11a RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> On Aug 12, 6:17 am, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-s... RemoveThis @never.spam> wrote:
>>> Sounds like you need to study the Manual & some FAQ & walkthough Guides.
>>> From what you write I would say definatly forget STALKER .
>>> You might like MORROWIND, Oblivion's predecessor...still looks good
>>> & the best of those Elder Scrolls series of games
>>>
>>> GOTHIC 3 is probably your best choice ...lots of fighting...simple RPG
>>> elements..
>>> Or GOTHIC 2: Night Of The Raven
>>
>>
>> I went to Amazon to read the users' reviews on this game (Gothic 3),
>> http://www.amazon.com/Aspyr-11231-Gothic-3/dp/B000FJTOL2
>>
>> 9 out of 10 reviewers are bashing it for bugs and for some
>> thoughtlessness in controls. Such a game is not immersive. And the
>> greatest titles which I enjoyed playing so much are immersive. And
>> they are immersive probably because everything is balanced: the
>> storyline, the graphics, the controls, the freedom of movement and so
>> on. Such great titles are Half-Life 2 (there is currently discussion
>> on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action uder the title "Half-Life 2 three
>> years on.", why is it). The other great gane which I really enjoyed
>> playing was the the quest "Syberia 2". In this game, the graphics were
>> beautiful, the artists put lots of thought into designing the gadgets,
>> scene and storyline, and all quests were natural. They were diverse,
>> too. This is what makes a great game. The third great game which I
>> played was Wolfensten 3D and Doom... although it is from the far past.
>>
>> Some reviewer on the Amazon website said that Gothic 3 was as
>> immersive as Oblivion and even more. Well, that's good news, but
>> probably at the moment I am not ready to test that given the negative
>> reviews.
>>
>
> Good for you. You like Shooters and ACTION.
>
> We, the Morrowind and Oblivion players enjoy the RPG values much more than
> the killing.
>
> See ya.
>
> drybones
>

Yea, that's what I was thinking too as I read Beladi's remarks [I think it
was Beladi]. Half Life 2 was immersive, but still essentially a shooter.
Wolfenstein and Doom...shooters. Syberia 2 agreed was 'pretty', but was
adventure with only one storyline...one quest [well, with little sidebar
stuff as one went I suppose]...but not RPG. Oblivion is the best RPG I've
come across so far [unless one considers System Shock II; I really wish
they'd make a sequal III to that one]. Oblivion has it's flaws of course.
All RPG's I've ever played eventually become too repetitious. Oblivion's
strong point I think is the expansiveness of the world one plays within.
One can wander all day and just get lost, while finding adventures and
challenges as one goes...traversing forests, mountains, swamps, snow, and
sea. It is truely amazing how expansive it is. Graphics don't make the
gameplay, but they are fundamental in transporting one's mind to a virtual
world.
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:22:16 +1000, "Dre" <ausjules1977.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Do you know about Bioshock?? From the makers of System Shock 2, out end of
>this month, I cant wait

From the early previews it sounds even less RPGish then STALKER was.
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"Greg Johnson" <greg.gsj RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:22:16 +1000, "Dre" <ausjules1977 RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Do you know about Bioshock?? From the makers of System Shock 2, out end
>>of
>>this month, I cant wait
>
> From the early previews it sounds even less RPGish then STALKER was.

I dont care how rpgish it is as long as its good, System Shock was one of
those brilliant games I'll never forget, the sequel didn't do much for me
but I'm *very* excited about Bioshock. I was only mentioning it because
tooly was keen for a System shock 3...

Stalker was quite simply awesome and I'm getting ready to play through it
again, maybe with a couple of mods installed here and there. The atmosphere
in that game is second to none.

But then, I'm less of a pure rpg game type person, I actually prefer
Oblivion over Morrowind in this respect.

Cheers Dre
 >> Stay informed about: unconvinced by Oblivion 

Dark Messiah of Might and Magic is supposed to be a hybrid game but it's
mainly a First Person Slasher. But it does have elements of RPG in it so you
may prefer it.
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>> "Beladi Nasralla" <nasra11a.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Aug 12, 6:17 am, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-s....RemoveThis@never.spam> wrote:
>>>> Sounds like you need to study the Manual & some FAQ & walkthough
>>>> Guides.
>>>> From what you write I would say definatly forget STALKER .
>>>> You might like MORROWIND, Oblivion's predecessor...still looks good
>>>> & the best of those Elder Scrolls series of games
>>>>
>>>> GOTHIC 3 is probably your best choice ...lots of fighting...simple RPG
>>>> elements..
>>>> Or GOTHIC 2: Night Of The Raven
>>>
>>>
>>> I went to Amazon to read the users' reviews on this game (Gothic 3),
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Aspyr-11231-Gothic-3/dp/B000FJTOL2
>>>
>>> 9 out of 10 reviewers are bashing it for bugs and for some
>>> thoughtlessness in controls. Such a game is not immersive. And the
>>> greatest titles which I enjoyed playing so much are immersive. And
>>> they are immersive probably because everything is balanced: the
>>> storyline, the graphics, the controls, the freedom of movement and so
>>> on. Such great titles are Half-Life 2 (there is currently discussion
>>> on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action uder the title "Half-Life 2 three
>>> years on.", why is it). The other great gane which I really enjoyed
>>> playing was the the quest "Syberia 2". In this game, the graphics were
>>> beautiful, the artists put lots of thought into designing the gadgets,
>>> scene and storyline, and all quests were natural. They were diverse,
>>> too. This is what makes a great game. The third great game which I
>>> played was Wolfensten 3D and Doom... although it is from the far past.
>>>
>>> Some reviewer on the Amazon website said that Gothic 3 was as
>>> immersive as Oblivion and even more. Well, that's good news, but
>>> probably at the moment I am not ready to test that given the negative
>>> reviews.
>>>
>>
>> Good for you. You like Shooters and ACTION.
>>
>> We, the Morrowind and Oblivion players enjoy the RPG values much more
>> than the killing.
>>
>> See ya.
>>
>> drybones
>>
>
> Yea, that's what I was thinking too as I read Beladi's remarks [I think it
> was Beladi]. Half Life 2 was immersive, but still essentially a shooter.
> Wolfenstein and Doom...shooters. Syberia 2 agreed was 'pretty', but was
> adventure with only one storyline...one quest [well, with little sidebar
> stuff as one went I suppose]...but not RPG. Oblivion is the best RPG I've
> come across so far [unless one considers System Shock II; I really wish
> they'd make a sequal III to that one]. <snip>

Do you know about Bioshock?? From the makers of System Shock 2, out end of
this month, I cant wait

Cheers Dre
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"Dre" <ausjules1977.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Greg Johnson" <greg.gsj.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:22:16 +1000, "Dre" <ausjules1977.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Do you know about Bioshock?? From the makers of System Shock 2, out end
>>>of
>>>this month, I cant wait
>>
>> From the early previews it sounds even less RPGish then STALKER was.
>
> I dont care how rpgish it is as long as its good, System Shock was one of
> those brilliant games I'll never forget, the sequel didn't do much for me
> but I'm *very* excited about Bioshock. I was only mentioning it because
> tooly was keen for a System shock 3...
>
> Stalker was quite simply awesome and I'm getting ready to play through it
> again, maybe with a couple of mods installed here and there. The
> atmosphere in that game is second to none.
>
> But then, I'm less of a pure rpg game type person, I actually prefer
> Oblivion over Morrowind in this respect.
>
> Cheers Dre
>

Yikes...I just visited the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. website and the music alone sent
shivers up my spine. Yea, that looks like something I want to try. Thanks
for the suggestion...and also I'll be looking for Bioshock as well. My
system handles Oblivion ok...a sli setup with older nvidia 7600's. Think
that will be enough for STALKER? We'll see I guess
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