Flight Simulation Genre Seems To Be Dead

Are you suggesting BF2 is a flight sim in any way shape or form? The jets
pretty much ruin the game imo. The groundwar/squad aspect is the strength
of BF2. Choppers are ok/fun but the jets are a joke.

Mitch


"C3PO" <C3PO RemoveThis @forums.simradar.com> wrote in message
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>You only have to look at the quality of
> production in Battlefield 2 and the forthcoming Battlefield 2142 to see
> how far the bar is being raised. Flight sims are difficult because they
> are niche genres and less likely to appeal
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John Slade wrote:
> Boy I just went to Game Spot and found they don't even have
> "simulations" as one of the choices on the PC page. Seems that there are too
> few games to warrant a full section. I don't even know what simulations are
> coming out. I remember hearing that the new Janes was coming out with a
> simulation but that seems to have not happened. The only sims it seems are
> naval simulations. I want a new flight simulator! They could be great with
> all this great hardware we have available but seems nobody is interested in
> sims any more.
>
Nobody seems interested? Well, there's a gulf between "seems" and "is"
and it can't be measured by the copy that GameSpot will devote to it.
The OP needs to know that there's a difference between the market for
flightsims and the interest for them. The market is down because
"simmers'" needs have been too well satisfied by the sims of the past 8
or so years. Instead of looking at the market for new games, why not
try guaging the time that users will spend on sims already available -
there are too few games to mention because any one of those games is
too intense and requires too much time and attention for the audience
of simmers to support very many of them. These games aren't disposable
like FPS games. I'm wondering just what the OP wants from a new
"flight simulator" that existing games lack.
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If it's wishlist stuff thats being asked for, here is mine: Gunship 2000 to
be redone. But I am patiently waiting for Black Shark, this will keep me
happy for a good while!
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Carl wrote:
> If it's wishlist stuff thats being asked for, here is mine: Gunship 2000 to
> be redone. But I am patiently waiting for Black Shark, this will keep me
> happy for a good while!

Never got to Gunship 2000, so I couldn't say. I'd love for somebody to
re-do Hind, where you shoot and carry at the same time. I think the
real problem is advancing hardware technology to enhance existing
software - especially anything that will emancipate us from the
flat-screen. We already have POV technology like Track IR - we need
something like low-cost/weight goggles to complete the link between the
two. I'd settle for graphics ala Graphsim's Hornet 3.0 if it meant
VR-all around POV.
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What an idea- TrackIR emulating the cannon operating on an AH64! I could
have hours of fun with that alone.
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Carl wrote:
> What an idea- TrackIR emulating the cannon operating on an AH64! I could
> have hours of fun with that alone.

Just like "Blue Thunder".
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You guys seem to be reminiscing about older sims...................
Guess I wouldn't mind a few of the oldies redone either...............
Meanwhile, I'm flying FF3+3.1 and flying dynamic campaigns in the
Balkans,
Korea, Vietnam, DesertStorm, and Israel. I'm flying several different
F-16's,
F-15's, F-22's, F-18's, Tornados, B52's, B-1's, A-10's, EF2000's, and
more, all with
their own pits and FM's..........Might get a CTD once every 12-15 hours
of sim time.
STILL spend more time learning weapons system, radar, etc., so
definitely not for the
shoot-em-up crowd. Heard AF is the best for online, (As they start to
advance with their
own 'dance' on the "dance" crowd.) but I mainly fly F4 offline.
(Online, I am solely an EAW man! ANOTHER great sim that won't die! Now,
using OAW,
You can fly every plane imaginable, make any scenario, terrains and
skins galore,......
I could go on and on......Havn't flown IL-2 yet........well, I FLEW an
IL-2 last night, great guns!
but I don't have IL-2 the sim yet.)
Roller
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ef29.TakeThisOut@drexel.edu wrote:
> but I don't have IL-2 the sim yet.)

I've got it - haven't spent much time with it yet, though the
sky-effects (cloud, lighting) are spectacular. (my WWII sim experience
never went past the first 2 CFS games or Janes WW2F).
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"FatKat" <robynari.DeleteThis@juno.com> wrote in message
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>
> John Slade wrote:
>> Boy I just went to Game Spot and found they don't even have
>> "simulations" as one of the choices on the PC page. Seems that there are
>> too
>> few games to warrant a full section. I don't even know what simulations
>> are
>> coming out. I remember hearing that the new Janes was coming out with a
>> simulation but that seems to have not happened. The only sims it seems
>> are
>> naval simulations. I want a new flight simulator! They could be great
>> with
>> all this great hardware we have available but seems nobody is interested
>> in
>> sims any more.
>>
> Nobody seems interested? Well, there's a gulf between "seems" and "is"
> and it can't be measured by the copy that GameSpot will devote to it.
> The OP needs to know that there's a difference between the market for
> flightsims and the interest for them. The market is down because
> "simmers'" needs have been too well satisfied by the sims of the past 8
> or so years. Instead of looking at the market for new games, why not
> try guaging the time that users will spend on sims already available -
> there are too few games to mention because any one of those games is
> too intense and requires too much time and attention for the audience
> of simmers to support very many of them. These games aren't disposable
> like FPS games. I'm wondering just what the OP wants from a new
> "flight simulator" that existing games lack.
>

More flight sims that simulate modern and future aircraft. Joint
Strike Fighter was a good game that did this. It had a nice multiplayer
element too. I want more games like the Apache Longbow series. Lots of
missions and a mission generator. I still think on of the best sims of all
times is Fighters Anthology by Janes. It had great multiplayer capabilities.
For what it lacked in graphics and flight models, it made up in game play.
There are a lot of sims that I didn't mention before like iF-22, The
Comanche Series and the F-22 series. F-22 Lightning 3 was probably the first
game to ever have tactical nuclear weapons even though it was arcadish in
it's gameplay. Lots of good sims over the years didn't just appeal to those
who wanted to read a four-inch think manual to play the game well. There is
a middle ground and that's what I feel is lacking.

John
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"FatKat" <robynari.RemoveThis@juno.com> wrote in message
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>
> Carl wrote:
>> If it's wishlist stuff thats being asked for, here is mine: Gunship 2000
>> to
>> be redone. But I am patiently waiting for Black Shark, this will keep me
>> happy for a good while!
>
> Never got to Gunship 2000, so I couldn't say. I'd love for somebody to
> re-do Hind, where you shoot and carry at the same time.

Gunship 2000 on the Amiga was great. The AGA version was great. As it's
"Abandonware" you might want to try it out with an Amiga emulator. I won't
tell you how to get that stuff illegally. But it can be had for a reasonable
price if you look hard enough.

John
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Remember when is was about GAMEPLAY and not graphics?

C'mon Tornado............

Oh yea and for some online Air Warrior.........................
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Hey, just what I was thinking, too. You're absolutely right. Time to
move on to something else. Catch you there. Later.

-Seadog

R.D.S. wrote:
> Remember when is was about GAMEPLAY and not graphics?
>
> C'mon Tornado............
>
> Oh yea and for some online Air Warrior.........................
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R.D.S. wrote:
> Remember when is was about GAMEPLAY and not graphics?

Well yeah, bit it wasn't like we had much of a choice. With pre-SVGA,
gameplay was pretty much all we had. I mean, when you think of the
early 1990's, what comes to mind?
>
> C'mon Tornado............

There ya go - the game was graphically intense to me, but that was
mostly because by that time I was still stuck with a 286.
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