Question re tubeliners

On Apr 24, 9:51 am, Ibby <ibb....DeleteThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

.  I read somewhere esle recommendations
> regarding passenger comfort but can't find them at the moment as the
> manuals are huge.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Ibby

FWIW, during my past two recent flights, our 737-700 made some
extremely steep banks (must have been 30 degrees), and as much as I
tried, I couldn't feel a thing physically. It was exciting visually,
since I was looking straight down at the ground or up into space,
depending which way Capt. Hotshot was turning. On saying that, I
might also say that I was disappointed I didn't feel some sensation,
because it looks so damn dramatic from the ground.

When I'm flying the sim, I set my banks to 30 degrees. I don't want
to use up miles and miles turning because I'm afraid a passengers
might spill his nuts.

Arthur
(Toronto)
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"Canuck" <someone.DeleteThis@shaw.com> wrote in message
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>I have been flying and enjoying the Wilco 737-300 lately. In its default
>condition the banking angle for turns is set at 30 Degrees. I wonder if
>that is realistic, it seems rather steep in the turn and would in reality
>be uncomfortable for any passengers. I generally try to set it at 15
>degrees which is more leisurely imho, however when ATC tell me to turn on
>this setting , they bitch at me constantly that I should expedite the turn.
>It can go even lower to 10 deg I believe but the turnong circle then is
>massive and I have had ATC cancel my FP when I tried that and took too
>long.
> So the question is, what is realistic?

I understood that 20 degrees is regarded as a "standard turn". I could be
wrong of course.

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Iain
Rugby, UK
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"Iain Smith" <iainsmithdotrugbyatbtinternetdotcom> wrote in message
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> "Canuck" <someone DeleteThis @shaw.com> wrote in message
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>>I have been flying and enjoying the Wilco 737-300 lately. In its default
>>condition the banking angle for turns is set at 30 Degrees. I wonder if
>>that is realistic, it seems rather steep in the turn and would in reality
>>be uncomfortable for any passengers. I generally try to set it at 15
>>degrees which is more leisurely imho, however when ATC tell me to turn on
>>this setting , they bitch at me constantly that I should expedite the
>>turn. It can go even lower to 10 deg I believe but the turnong circle then
>>is massive and I have had ATC cancel my FP when I tried that and took too
>>long.
>> So the question is, what is realistic?
>
> I understood that 20 degrees is regarded as a "standard turn". I could be
> wrong of course.
>
> --
> Iain
> Rugby, UK
>

A standard turn is also known as a two minute turn ie it takes two minutes
to turn 360 deg. I can't find my flight manuals and my memory is fading fast
but I'm pretty sure that it was 30 deg bank.

cheers
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>> I understood that 20 degrees is regarded as a "standard turn". I could be
>> wrong of course.
>
>A standard turn is also known as a two minute turn ie it takes two minutes
>to turn 360 deg. I can't find my flight manuals and my memory is fading fast
>but I'm pretty sure that it was 30 deg bank.
>
>cheers

Someone asked in a payware support forum I follow where the turn
indicator was in their boeing, here are the most helpful couple of
answers.

> Jets are a different animal. Because rate-of-turn is a function of speed and
> bank angle, the large variations in speed in a jet make a turn coordinator
> somewhat useless. In modern jets the flight director does the math for you
> and commands the necessary bank angle. But back in the day we taught a
> basic formula that should work for you.
>
> KTAS /10 + 5 = Bank Angle
>
> Just use KIAS + 10 to approximate KTAS.
>
> So..@ 200 KIAS you need about 26* bank to be standard rate.
>
>Clear as mud?

and (basically the same thing worded a bit differently)

> Bank Angle for standard rate turns
> 2. If indicated airspeed is in knots, divide airspeed by 10 and add 50%
> of that value. Eg.IAS is 100kts divided by 10 equals 10 plus 5 (50% of 10)
> equals 15 degrees (100/10=10+5 (50% of 10) =15 degrees)bank angle
> for a standard rate turn.

Hope that helps
Gary in Auckland
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Thank you all for the input, I guess 30 is OK then, I just didn't want those
virtual passengers sliding around in their virtual seats and spilling their
virtual djinn-un-tonix.


--
Canuck (CYXX)
49°03'39.63"N 122°16'21.82"W


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On Apr 24, 9:51 am, Ibby <ibb....RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

.. I read somewhere esle recommendations
> regarding passenger comfort but can't find them at the moment as the
> manuals are huge.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Ibby

FWIW, during my past two recent flights, our 737-700 made some
extremely steep banks (must have been 30 degrees), and as much as I
tried, I couldn't feel a thing physically. It was exciting visually,
since I was looking straight down at the ground or up into space,
depending which way Capt. Hotshot was turning. On saying that, I
might also say that I was disappointed I didn't feel some sensation,
because it looks so damn dramatic from the ground.

When I'm flying the sim, I set my banks to 30 degrees. I don't want
to use up miles and miles turning because I'm afraid a passengers
might spill his nuts.

Arthur
(Toronto)
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Canuck skrev:
> I have been flying and enjoying the Wilco 737-300 lately. In its default
> condition the banking angle for turns is set at 30 Degrees. I wonder if
> that is realistic, it seems rather steep in the turn and would in reality be
> uncomfortable for any passengers. I generally try to set it at 15 degrees
> which is more leisurely imho, however when ATC tell me to turn on this
> setting , they bitch at me constantly that I should expedite the turn. It
> can go even lower to 10 deg I believe but the turnong circle then is massive
> and I have had ATC cancel my FP when I tried that and took too long.
> So the question is, what is realistic?
>

After a few supersonic flights, I've learned that if the turn radius is getting
to big, slow down.

The faster you fly, the steeper you can bank, without the passengers noticing,
except those who actually uses their windows to look at stuff outside, just make
sure, the G-meter is between 0,8 and 1,8, and not moving to fast between the two.

Tommy C, Denmark
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