What is he thinking...

Jesterocity wrote:
> Erik Selde wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Check this out...CEO of danish Cimber Air are doing acrobatics with a
>> ATR...I have the ATR from FLight1....didn´t realize it could do such
>> types of rolls...
>>
>> Believe me, danish authorities are NOT happy with his manueveres.
>> Thinking of taking his license.
>>
>> Just to your information....no passengers was on board...
>>
>> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Wjn6AzWOv1IJ:www.spotters.dk/port...topic.a
>>
>>
>> You have to do a copy/paste to the URL...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> If you can perform the manoeuvre at +1or2 g, it shouldn't be a problem,
> hence the barrel roll, not an axial one.
>
Normally this would be true, but in the case of a transport type
airplane such as this one attempting a roll like this one starting at
the altitude this roll was initiated, the roll can be a REAL problem if
entered early. This was a barrel roll off a climbing turn entry coming
off the deck....extremely dangerous due to the roll inertia and slow
roll rate required to transverse the arc of the roll.
The roll rate is so slow that an extremely high degree of dish out is
possible on the back side of the roll requiring more air than the
airplane has for recovery.
This guy was VERY lucky!

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Dudley Henriques
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"Erik Selde" <erik.selde DeleteThis @mail.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:482b054b$0$56779$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
> Hi guys,
>
> Check this out...CEO of danish Cimber Air are doing acrobatics with a
> ATR...I have the ATR from FLight1....didn´t realize it could do such types
> of rolls...
>
> Believe me, danish authorities are NOT happy with his manueveres. Thinking
> of taking his license.
>
> Just to your information....no passengers was on board...
>
> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Wjn6AzWOv1IJ:www.spotters.dk/port...topic.a
>
> You have to do a copy/paste to the URL...
>
>
>
>
>
Would you kindly point me to where you get your facts about this flight?

I have been looking for confirmation as to who piloted the flight, and what
consequences it had, if any /

What I have found so far is roumers about who the pilot was, but no talking
about his license any where.

BTW, the correct link for those photos was posted by Marcel in the "PING:
TommyC! (and others) Seen this?" post, FYI here it is:
http://www.spotters.dk/portal/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2494&FORUM_ID=39&CAT_...10&Foru
No need to copy/paste ;o)

Tommy C, Denmark
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Hi Tommy,

Read the newspapers, watch the TV. There has been quite some details about
it. Fortunately it didn´t have any consequences, but that doesn´t make it a
smart thing to do.

I have read that Slv.dk have considered a suspension of his license...
"TOCA" <Not.DeleteThis@valid.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:482b37df$0$56792$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>
> "Erik Selde" <erik.selde.DeleteThis@mail.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:482b054b$0$56779$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Check this out...CEO of danish Cimber Air are doing acrobatics with a
>> ATR...I have the ATR from FLight1....didn´t realize it could do such
>> types of rolls...
>>
>> Believe me, danish authorities are NOT happy with his manueveres.
>> Thinking of taking his license.
>>
>> Just to your information....no passengers was on board...
>>
>> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Wjn6AzWOv1IJ:www.spotters.dk/port...topic.a
>>
>> You have to do a copy/paste to the URL...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Would you kindly point me to where you get your facts about this flight?
>
> I have been looking for confirmation as to who piloted the flight, and
> what consequences it had, if any /
>
> What I have found so far is roumers about who the pilot was, but no
> talking about his license any where.
>
> BTW, the correct link for those photos was posted by Marcel in the "PING:
> TommyC! (and others) Seen this?" post, FYI here it is:
> http://www.spotters.dk/portal/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2494&FORUM_ID=39&CAT_...10&Foru
> No need to copy/paste ;o)
>
> Tommy C, Denmark
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: What is he thinking... 

"Erik Selde" <erik.selde.RemoveThis@mail.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:482b517e$0$56786$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
> Hi Tommy,
>
> Read the newspapers, watch the TV. There has been quite some details about
> it. Fortunately it didn´t have any consequences, but that doesn´t make it
> a smart thing to do.

Depends ;o) The pilot had fun, and the plane spotter had the thrill of a
lifetime )

Cheating is smart, getting cought is stupid ;o)

>
> I have read that Slv.dk have considered a suspension of his license...

No they have not, they have said, that it is a possibillity, however
unlikely since the pilot was not drunk, and no one was hurt or injured.

OK finally our news have discovered the news, and has started writing their
normal guessing up as we go /

What I can decipher from all the nonsense and mumbo-jumbo lingo used by
journalists who know zip about flying, but wants to sound hip, is this:

The stunt was done by the CEO of Cimber Air, Mr. Jørgen Nielsen, who was
alone in the plane (no co-pilot to blame), the plane belongs to Cimber Air
but does not have its colours yet, because it, until reasently, has been
leased to Oman Air, and he was flying it as a civil pilot, not as an airline
pilot (how nice to have your own Airline fleet).

Mr. Jørgen Nielsen is a skilled pilot (ex. fighter F-104 and F-16), and he
claims that he was just training for the annual airshow, which will take
place this summer at Vandel Airbase here in DK, in which he is a regular
show pilot.

Our local FAA (SLV) is awaiting a full report from Mr. Nielsen, before
taking steps into deciding the consequences, which might be any thing from a
raised eyebrow to suspending his certificate, but most likely a hefty fine.
He did break a few laws, doing his stunt, one is that the ATR is only
certified for a 60 deg. bank, an other is, that he was not cleared for
stuntflying above Sonderborg Airport, at that moment.

According to Mr. Nielsen, he didn't break any major laws, and comparers it
to doing 80mph on a 70mph highway in a car (hmmmm?).

The pictures has been removed from the original site, because the author
thought they had stirred up to much noise on the site, and he might be
right, after all it was his pictures that started the whole buhahah, and
they generated 20.000+ hits, on a site where 500 is a lot more than one can
hope for.

So far the lesson learned must be: If you happens to see something
spectacular, and has a camera at hand, think twice before going public ;o)

Tommy C, Denmark
Where commuter planes fly upside down.
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"TOCA" <Not.RemoveThis@valid.com> wrote in message news:482b6ba0$0$56767> No they have
not, they have said, that it is a possibillity, however
> unlikely since the pilot was not drunk, and no one was hurt or injured.
>
> OK finally our news have discovered the news, and has started writing
> their normal guessing up as we go /
>
> What I can decipher from all the nonsense and mumbo-jumbo lingo used by
> journalists who know zip about flying, but wants to sound hip, is this:
>
> The stunt was done by the CEO of Cimber Air, Mr. Jørgen Nielsen, who was
> alone in the plane (no co-pilot to blame), the plane belongs to Cimber Air
> but does not have its colours yet, because it, until reasently, has been
> leased to Oman Air, and he was flying it as a civil pilot, not as an
> airline pilot (how nice to have your own Airline fleet).
>
> Mr. Jørgen Nielsen is a skilled pilot (ex. fighter F-104 and F-16), and he
> claims that he was just training for the annual airshow, which will take
> place this summer at Vandel Airbase here in DK, in which he is a regular
> show pilot.
>
> Our local FAA (SLV) is awaiting a full report from Mr. Nielsen, before
> taking steps into deciding the consequences, which might be any thing from
> a raised eyebrow to suspending his certificate, but most likely a hefty
> fine. He did break a few laws, doing his stunt, one is that the ATR is
> only certified for a 60 deg. bank, an other is, that he was not cleared
> for stuntflying above Sonderborg Airport, at that moment.
>
> According to Mr. Nielsen, he didn't break any major laws, and comparers it
> to doing 80mph on a 70mph highway in a car (hmmmm?).
>
> The pictures has been removed from the original site, because the author
> thought they had stirred up to much noise on the site, and he might be
> right, after all it was his pictures that started the whole buhahah, and
> they generated 20.000+ hits, on a site where 500 is a lot more than one
> can hope for.
>
> So far the lesson learned must be: If you happens to see something
> spectacular, and has a camera at hand, think twice before going public ;o)
> Tommy C, Denmark
> Where commuter planes fly upside down.

Hi Tommy

There is a lot of noise out there on this stunt. I fly with Cimber every 14
days from Sonderborg to Copenhagen and my only question is:

When will the next stunt be performed so I can be on the flight? I would
love to sit on the back seat of that little fat bastard ATR when it is doing
a roll. I think it is extremely cool that he did this.
I can not see any problems at all with it. He was alone and the plane is
even above water when doing the roll so if he had crashed it would have been
in water.

Tommy F.
ATR-42/72 Commuter
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"Guerillasmurf" <someone RemoveThis @microsoft.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
>
> Hi Tommy
>
> There is a lot of noise out there on this stunt. I fly with Cimber every
> 14 days from Sonderborg to Copenhagen and my only question is:
>
> When will the next stunt be performed so I can be on the flight? I would
> love to sit on the back seat of that little fat bastard ATR when it is
> doing a roll. I think it is extremely cool that he did this.
> I can not see any problems at all with it. He was alone and the plane is
> even above water when doing the roll so if he had crashed it would have
> been in water.
>
> Tommy F.
> ATR-42/72 Commuter
>
Heh, heh, yes it could make for a sweet experience being onboard for such a
flight, if you are prepared for it ;o)

As to the safety, he might have been over water at the time, but it was
Friday afternoon on the start of a 3 days weekend (Whitsun), the sun was
shining, so the Als Sund (the water next to Sonderborg) would have been
crowded with yachts and had one of those gotten hit with debris, all hell
would have broken loose /

My guess is, that he was up there, all by his lonesome, doing a ferrying
flight, and got bored, and got the idea, which most of us simmers do, when
we are up there, with no particular place to go: "Let's see what this baby
can really do!" )

Tommy C, Denmark
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Jesterocity wrote:
>> Erik Selde wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> Check this out...CEO of danish Cimber Air are doing acrobatics with a
>>> ATR...I have the ATR from FLight1....didn´t realize it could do such
>>> types of rolls...
>>>
>>> Believe me, danish authorities are NOT happy with his manueveres.
>>> Thinking of taking his license.
>>>
>>> Just to your information....no passengers was on board...
>>>
>>> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Wjn6AzWOv1IJ:www.spotters.dk/port...topic.a
>>>
>>>
>>> You have to do a copy/paste to the URL...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> If you can perform the manoeuvre at +1or2 g, it shouldn't be a
>> problem, hence the barrel roll, not an axial one.
>>
> Normally this would be true, but in the case of a transport type
> airplane such as this one attempting a roll like this one starting at
> the altitude this roll was initiated, the roll can be a REAL problem if
> entered early. This was a barrel roll off a climbing turn entry coming
> off the deck....extremely dangerous due to the roll inertia and slow
> roll rate required to transverse the arc of the roll.
> The roll rate is so slow that an extremely high degree of dish out is
> possible on the back side of the roll requiring more air than the
> airplane has for recovery.
> This guy was VERY lucky!
>

I didn't say it was a SMART thing to do!


Thanks for the info.

--


J.
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Jesterocity wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Jesterocity wrote:
>>> Erik Selde wrote:
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> Check this out...CEO of danish Cimber Air are doing acrobatics with
>>>> a ATR...I have the ATR from FLight1....didn´t realize it could do
>>>> such types of rolls...
>>>>
>>>> Believe me, danish authorities are NOT happy with his manueveres.
>>>> Thinking of taking his license.
>>>>
>>>> Just to your information....no passengers was on board...
>>>>
>>>> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Wjn6AzWOv1IJ:www.spotters.dk/port...topic.a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You have to do a copy/paste to the URL...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you can perform the manoeuvre at +1or2 g, it shouldn't be a
>>> problem, hence the barrel roll, not an axial one.
>>>
>> Normally this would be true, but in the case of a transport type
>> airplane such as this one attempting a roll like this one starting at
>> the altitude this roll was initiated, the roll can be a REAL problem
>> if entered early. This was a barrel roll off a climbing turn entry
>> coming off the deck....extremely dangerous due to the roll inertia and
>> slow roll rate required to transverse the arc of the roll.
>> The roll rate is so slow that an extremely high degree of dish out is
>> possible on the back side of the roll requiring more air than the
>> airplane has for recovery.
>> This guy was VERY lucky!
>>
>
> I didn't say it was a SMART thing to do!
>
>
> Thanks for the info.
>

I'd like to send these photos off to our display flying work shop but I
can't seem to be able to access them any longer using the supplied link.
I did pull them up initially, but now the link is showing as an overload
on photobucket.
If you or anyone else comes up with a set of these photos, I'd like a
workable link if possible.
Thanks

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Dudley Henriques
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"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques.TakeThisOut@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:DJCdnY-8l5WxBrHVnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Jesterocity wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>> Jesterocity wrote:
>>>> Erik Selde wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Check this out...CEO of danish Cimber Air are doing acrobatics with a
>>>>> ATR...I have the ATR from FLight1....didn´t realize it could do such
>>>>> types of rolls...
>>>>>
>>>>> Believe me, danish authorities are NOT happy with his manueveres.
>>>>> Thinking of taking his license.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to your information....no passengers was on board...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Wjn6AzWOv1IJ:www.spotters.dk/port...topic.a
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to do a copy/paste to the URL...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you can perform the manoeuvre at +1or2 g, it shouldn't be a problem,
>>>> hence the barrel roll, not an axial one.
>>>>
>>> Normally this would be true, but in the case of a transport type
>>> airplane such as this one attempting a roll like this one starting at
>>> the altitude this roll was initiated, the roll can be a REAL problem if
>>> entered early. This was a barrel roll off a climbing turn entry coming
>>> off the deck....extremely dangerous due to the roll inertia and slow
>>> roll rate required to transverse the arc of the roll.
>>> The roll rate is so slow that an extremely high degree of dish out is
>>> possible on the back side of the roll requiring more air than the
>>> airplane has for recovery.
>>> This guy was VERY lucky!
>>>
>>
>> I didn't say it was a SMART thing to do!
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>
> I'd like to send these photos off to our display flying work shop but I
> can't seem to be able to access them any longer using the supplied link.
> I did pull them up initially, but now the link is showing as an overload
> on photobucket.
> If you or anyone else comes up with a set of these photos, I'd like a
> workable link if possible.
> Thanks
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

The above link works for me. Try clearing your internet files cache.

cheers
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Nick O'Tyme wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:DJCdnY-8l5WxBrHVnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@rcn.net...
>> Jesterocity wrote:
>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>> Jesterocity wrote:
>>>>> Erik Selde wrote:
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check this out...CEO of danish Cimber Air are doing acrobatics with a
>>>>>> ATR...I have the ATR from FLight1....didn´t realize it could do such
>>>>>> types of rolls...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Believe me, danish authorities are NOT happy with his manueveres.
>>>>>> Thinking of taking his license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to your information....no passengers was on board...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Wjn6AzWOv1IJ:www.spotters.dk/port...topic.a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to do a copy/paste to the URL...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you can perform the manoeuvre at +1or2 g, it shouldn't be a problem,
>>>>> hence the barrel roll, not an axial one.
>>>>>
>>>> Normally this would be true, but in the case of a transport type
>>>> airplane such as this one attempting a roll like this one starting at
>>>> the altitude this roll was initiated, the roll can be a REAL problem if
>>>> entered early. This was a barrel roll off a climbing turn entry coming
>>>> off the deck....extremely dangerous due to the roll inertia and slow
>>>> roll rate required to transverse the arc of the roll.
>>>> The roll rate is so slow that an extremely high degree of dish out is
>>>> possible on the back side of the roll requiring more air than the
>>>> airplane has for recovery.
>>>> This guy was VERY lucky!
>>>>
>>> I didn't say it was a SMART thing to do!
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info.
>>>
>> I'd like to send these photos off to our display flying work shop but I
>> can't seem to be able to access them any longer using the supplied link.
>> I did pull them up initially, but now the link is showing as an overload
>> on photobucket.
>> If you or anyone else comes up with a set of these photos, I'd like a
>> workable link if possible.
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> The above link works for me. Try clearing your internet files cache.
>
> cheers
>
>
It's puzzling. I'm on a Macbook Pro using Firefox with a clear cache.
The link shows me a German forum with squares where the photos should
asking me to upgrade to Photobucket Pro and saying "bandwidth exceeded".

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Dudley Henriques
 >> Stay informed about: What is he thinking... 

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote in message
>>
> It's puzzling. I'm on a Macbook Pro using Firefox with a clear cache. The
> link shows me a German forum with squares where the photos should asking
> me to upgrade to Photobucket Pro and saying "bandwidth exceeded".
>

I get the same... using a pc. That's the deal with free sites, - only so
many can look per day I guess.
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dave
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Slap wrote:
>
>
> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques.DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote in message
>>>
>> It's puzzling. I'm on a Macbook Pro using Firefox with a clear cache.
>> The link shows me a German forum with squares where the photos should
>> asking me to upgrade to Photobucket Pro and saying "bandwidth exceeded".
>>
>
> I get the same... using a pc. That's the deal with free sites, - only
> so many can look per day I guess.
> --
> dave
>
>
Thanks. I feel a bit better knowing it isn't something on my system
preventing my seeing the shots. I actually did see them once; the first
time I clicked the link; then no more. Apparently the site only allows
so much incoming

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"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote in message
news:eMydncs_6vDQNLHVnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Nick O'Tyme wrote:
>> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote in message
>> news:DJCdnY-8l5WxBrHVnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@rcn.net...
>>> I'd like to send these photos off to our display flying work shop but I
>>> can't seem to be able to access them any longer using the supplied link.
>>> I did pull them up initially, but now the link is showing as an overload
>>> on photobucket.
>>> If you or anyone else comes up with a set of these photos, I'd like a
>>> workable link if possible.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>> The above link works for me. Try clearing your internet files cache.
>>
>> cheers
> It's puzzling. I'm on a Macbook Pro using Firefox with a clear cache. The
> link shows me a German forum with squares where the photos should asking
> me to upgrade to Photobucket Pro and saying "bandwidth exceeded".
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

I've never used a Mac so I can't help you, sorry.

cheers
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