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Well, here you go. As usual any corrections and comments are welcome.
*******
Laiva rummaged in her backpack until her fingers found the small wax
paper package she had been looking for. Carefully she pulled it out
and unwrapped it. There was no real reason to protect it like that;
wax paper was almost exclusively used for water proofing books and the
like, and water was no problem in this case. She felt better for it
anyway.
She stared at the contents of the package. The small metal
pieces didn't look much, their surface veiled by a layer of black
where it wasn't dull, and they had never been worth much either. Maybe
it was because these clasps were all she owned for adornments, maybe
she was just being sentimental. After all she didn't even wear them
anymore. Having little silver stars and moons in your hair was
excusable when you were four, but at her age that would have been
simply embarrassing. She had been four when she got them.
Her mother never wore any ornaments as long as Laiva could
remember. As far as she was concerned they only got in the way and she
failed to see the point in any case. Incidentally there were a few
pieces, proper jewellery even, but those were family heirlooms; locked
well away and never worn.
To a four year old, however, what the other girls had was a
much stronger argument than anything a parent could have said, and
thus her mother had given finally given in and presented her with the
cutest, most embarrassingly adorable adornments she had managed to
find in the city. The five little silver plated clasps had made her a
very happy little girl indeed and she had worn them non stop for
weeks, hardly taking them off at night. That had been a long time ago,
of course, but Laiva still treasured them. And thus they were among
the things she had stuffed in her backpack earlier that night.
She took an arrow from the quiver and held one of the clasps
against its head. There werewolves were still watching intently, but
they weren't moving and with a bit of luck they hadn't figured out
what she was up to yet. She focused on the spot at which the two metal
pieces met and braced herself. In theory, all it took was a fire
spell, but the problem was concentrating it in such small a space. She
had seen the village smith doing it plenty of times, but there had
never been a reason to try it herself. Which, admittedly, wasn't
enough to stop her, but then the smith hadn't let her have a go and
trying it on her own was bound to get her in trouble. Her parents had
been very clear about that after her accident with the table.
She took a breath and voiced the syllables until a gentle glow
engulfed the metal pieces. Laiva could see the heat building up with
her inner eye; growing, spreading. She was almost there; she could
nearly feel the blaze of the fire. Just a bit longer.
With a shriek Laiva dropped the arrow and frantically waved
her hands through the air. That had been a bit too long. The pain
quickly faded, however, and when she picked up the arrow, carefully
and at the shaft, the clasp was clinging to it. She tipped at it, not
to burn her fingers a second time, but it had cooled down already.
Then she tucked at the clasp to test for the strength of the
connection, but her worries were unfounded. The clasp was fast
attached to the arrow head; it had worked.
Laiva glanced at the werewolves. They gave no indication that
they had noticed her shriek or anything that had come before or after.
She didn't know what she had expected, but them doing nothing at all
was even more unnerving than their cold stare. Slowly she took her
bow. They didn't even blink. Either they really were that stupid or up
to something. She would probably learn soon enough.
In one fluid movement Laiva brought up the bow and released
her improvised silver arrow. A nightmarish howl ripped through the
silence of the forest, but was quickly turned into a gurgling sound.
The lead wolf staggered for a moment and then collapsed for good. It
had tried to move away at the last moment, but the distance had been
far too short for that. And this time it wouldn't stand up again.
The other wolves slowly stepped back into the shadows, keeping
their gaze fixed at Laiva. Maybe she was just imagining it, but she
could have sworn they looked shocked. Even after vanishing in the
shadows, Laiva could still feel their presence, though. Shocked as
they may be, there were hiding, not fleeing.
Laiva took another clasp and arrow and a few syllables later
the metal pieces started to heat up. This time, however, Laiva stopped
her focus before the heat spread through the whole of the metal. She
felt it getting warm in her fingers, but this time it wasn't enough to
burn her; she was getting the hang of it.
She put the arrow on the bow, but there was no clear target
and she couldn't afford wasting a single shot; even so there were more
wolves than she had arrows. She had counted eight, one of them now
lying dead, but even if there weren't any further and assuming every
arrow hit its mark, that left her with three of them and naught but a
dagger. Her only chance was driving the werewolves away, preferably as
long as the fire lasted. After that there wouldn't be time for more
than one shot anyway.
An idea crossed her mind. She had a few bandages in her pack
and one of those she took now out and tore a stripe off from. Then
then she took a new arrow and wrapped the cloth tightly around the
shaft, just below the arrow head, and secured it there with a double
knot. Laiva pushed it into the fire; the dry fabric instantly caught
fire. It wouldn't burn for long, but it should be long enough. She
took aim at the shadows and shot.
The arrow didn't hit any of the werewolves; it passed them and
got stuck in a tree behind, but for a few moments they were
illuminated and that was all Laiva needed. Another of those
nightmarish howls confirmed that the silver arrow had hit.
One more werewolf fell that way, but then there was a
commotion followed by the sound of heavy animals dashing off. She had
won it; it was over.
The tension left her and all of the sudden she felt tired and
weak. Her legs gave away and she sat down, leaning against the trunk
of the tree. Drowsiness came upon her and she slipped off in a
dreamless slumber.
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emmel wrote:
[snip]
> To a four year old, however, what the other girls had was a
> much stronger argument than anything a parent could have said, and
> thus her mother had given finally given in and presented her with the
given finally given in
> cutest, most embarrassingly adorable adornments she had managed to
> find in the city. The five little silver plated clasps had made her a
> very happy little girl indeed and she had worn them non stop for
> weeks, hardly taking them off at night. That had been a long time ago,
> of course, but Laiva still treasured them. And thus they were among
> the things she had stuffed in her backpack earlier that night.
> She took an arrow from the quiver and held one of the clasps
> against its head. There werewolves were still watching intently, but
> they weren't moving and with a bit of luck they hadn't figured out
> what she was up to yet. She focused on the spot at which the two metal
> pieces met and braced herself. In theory, all it took was a fire
> spell, but the problem was concentrating it in such small a space. She
Have you ever used a soldering iron? I ask because melting a whole clasp
to to point of an iron will influence its trajectory. But with tin you
just use up the amount of metal you need and you can use the clasp again
for the next arrow Terminator Laiva, massacrer of werewolves!
[snip]
> The other wolves slowly stepped back into the shadows, keeping
> their gaze fixed at Laiva. Maybe she was just imagining it, but she
> could have sworn they looked shocked. Even after vanishing in the
> shadows, Laiva could still feel their presence, though. Shocked as
> they may be, there were hiding, not fleeing.
present tense 'may be'
> Laiva took another clasp and arrow and a few syllables later
past tense 'took'
> the metal pieces started to heat up. This time, however, Laiva stopped
> her focus before the heat spread through the whole of the metal. She
> felt it getting warm in her fingers, but this time it wasn't enough to
> burn her; she was getting the hang of it.
> She put the arrow on the bow, but there was no clear target
> and she couldn't afford wasting a single shot; even so there were more
> wolves than she had arrows. She had counted eight, one of them now
> lying dead, but even if there weren't any further and assuming every
weren't any more or any further werewolves.
> arrow hit its mark, that left her with three of them and naught but a
> dagger. Her only chance was driving the werewolves away, preferably as
> long as the fire lasted. After that there wouldn't be time for more
> than one shot anyway.
> An idea crossed her mind. She had a few bandages in her pack
> and one of those she took now out and tore a stripe off from. Then
tore a stripe off
tore a stripe from
off-from seems bad to me.
> then she took a new arrow and wrapped the cloth tightly around the
> shaft, just below the arrow head, and secured it there with a double
> knot. Laiva pushed it into the fire; the dry fabric instantly caught
> fire. It wouldn't burn for long, but it should be long enough. She
> took aim at the shadows and shot.
> The arrow didn't hit any of the werewolves; it passed them and
> got stuck in a tree behind, but for a few moments they were
> illuminated and that was all Laiva needed. Another of those
> nightmarish howls confirmed that the silver arrow had hit.
> One more werewolf fell that way, but then there was a
> commotion followed by the sound of heavy animals dashing off. She had
> won it; it was over.
> The tension left her and all of the sudden she felt tired and
> weak. Her legs gave away and she sat down, leaning against the trunk
> of the tree. Drowsiness came upon her and she slipped off in a
> dreamless slumber.
Superb!
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On 2007-11-28, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam RemoveThis @hccnet.nl> wrote:
> emmel wrote:
> [snip]
>> To a four year old, however, what the other girls had was a
>> much stronger argument than anything a parent could have said, and
>> thus her mother had given finally given in and presented her with the
>
> given finally given in
::nods::
>> cutest, most embarrassingly adorable adornments she had managed to
>> find in the city. The five little silver plated clasps had made her a
>> very happy little girl indeed and she had worn them non stop for
>> weeks, hardly taking them off at night. That had been a long time ago,
>> of course, but Laiva still treasured them. And thus they were among
>> the things she had stuffed in her backpack earlier that night.
>> She took an arrow from the quiver and held one of the clasps
>> against its head. There werewolves were still watching intently, but
>> they weren't moving and with a bit of luck they hadn't figured out
>> what she was up to yet. She focused on the spot at which the two metal
>> pieces met and braced herself. In theory, all it took was a fire
>> spell, but the problem was concentrating it in such small a space. She
>
> Have you ever used a soldering iron? I ask because melting a whole clasp
> to to point of an iron will influence its trajectory. But with tin you
> just use up the amount of metal you need and you can use the clasp again
> for the next arrow Terminator Laiva, massacrer of werewolves!
Yes, I have. You don't get far in electronics without one. As tempting
as the idea might be, it is not applicable here. Maybe you'll enjoy a
little discussion. If not, then simply ignore the following.
Melting some pure silver and thus covering the arrow head's
surface would without doubt work. What we actually find in Ranira
(Well, actually my imagination, but who cares?) is that there are two
kinds of silver arrows. For one thing there are arrow heads made of
solid silver or a silver alloy. Data on how much silver has to be in
an alloy for it to work is sparse, but it usually contains at least
three quarters of silver.
The second kind are silver plated arrow heads. As the effect
on werewolves is actually based on the reactive surface rather than
the actual amount of silver they are just as effective as the solid
version and quite a bit cheaper. And Laiva is not aware of it those
are actually the more common kind. Her experience in that matter is
somewhat singular and professionals never rely on silver plating. For
a simple reason at that. The thin surface layer of silver wears down
with time when you are using them on a regular basis and that can get
ugly when you battle monsters for a living.
You see the procedure of silver plating produces are very
firmly attached layer on the target surface, but it's just a few
thousand atoms thick - some nano to micrometres. Which, interestingly
is exactly what you'd get by galvanic plating. Some investigation
might be in order.
In any case this rather thing surface layer of silver is
exactly why Laiva does stand no chance to transfering the material
from the clasp onto the arrow head. Melting the clasp would mean that
trace amounts of silver would end up in a rather thick layer of molten
clasp basis metal and a few atoms of silver cause no trouble to a
werewolf. It's a rather bad idea to battle them with homeopathical
(sp?) doses of silver.
Anyway, it is nevertheless possible to transfer the silver
coating of an arbitrary plated object on an arrow head. In fact the
process differs little from the process of creating a plating in the
first case as all that is done is transfering a small amount of silver
from, say the surface of a silver bar or coin or something, onto an
object of your choice. You have to refine the spell a bit not to
remove any underlying material of the object in question together with
its plating, but it is possible.
Laiva, however, has never enjoyed the multiple year training a
gold smith receives and has no high level magical education either, so
that is not something she would be able to. In contrast compensating
for the extra weight and changed geometry of the arrow head is a lot
easier than you might think. The air friction of an arrow head doesn't
actually contribute much to its flight path - the feathers at the end
are far more important, the head can be approximated by a mass point -
and the weight of the clasp may be a tenth of what the arrow head
weighted before. Besides at the distance we have here Laiva could
probably shot them with a spoon on a stick, although I wouldn't go as
far as bet on it. (Well, I could, since I'm somewhat omnipotent when
it comes to her hit ratio.)
In case you are still reading this: Congrats. Sometimes I just
start typing and don't find an end. If writing the story was only that
easy, but then again rewriting something is a lot harder than doing
something fresh. Anyway, thank you for bearing with my rambling.
>> The other wolves slowly stepped back into the shadows, keeping
>> their gaze fixed at Laiva. Maybe she was just imagining it, but she
>> could have sworn they looked shocked. Even after vanishing in the
>> shadows, Laiva could still feel their presence, though. Shocked as
>> they may be, there were hiding, not fleeing.
>
> present tense 'may be'
::nods::
I have to fix that.
>> Laiva took another clasp and arrow and a few syllables later
>
> past tense 'took'
And this one should be all right then.
>> the metal pieces started to heat up. This time, however, Laiva stopped
>> her focus before the heat spread through the whole of the metal. She
>> felt it getting warm in her fingers, but this time it wasn't enough to
>> burn her; she was getting the hang of it.
>> She put the arrow on the bow, but there was no clear target
>> and she couldn't afford wasting a single shot; even so there were more
>> wolves than she had arrows. She had counted eight, one of them now
>> lying dead, but even if there weren't any further and assuming every
>
> weren't any more or any further werewolves.
I'll consider that.
>> arrow hit its mark, that left her with three of them and naught but a
>> dagger. Her only chance was driving the werewolves away, preferably as
>> long as the fire lasted. After that there wouldn't be time for more
>> than one shot anyway.
>> An idea crossed her mind. She had a few bandages in her pack
>> and one of those she took now out and tore a stripe off from. Then
>
> tore a stripe off
> tore a stripe from
> off-from seems bad to me.
A little mix up of old and new sentence. The from shouldn't be there.
>> then she took a new arrow and wrapped the cloth tightly around the
>> shaft, just below the arrow head, and secured it there with a double
>> knot. Laiva pushed it into the fire; the dry fabric instantly caught
>> fire. It wouldn't burn for long, but it should be long enough. She
>> took aim at the shadows and shot.
>> The arrow didn't hit any of the werewolves; it passed them and
>> got stuck in a tree behind, but for a few moments they were
>> illuminated and that was all Laiva needed. Another of those
>> nightmarish howls confirmed that the silver arrow had hit.
>> One more werewolf fell that way, but then there was a
>> commotion followed by the sound of heavy animals dashing off. She had
>> won it; it was over.
>> The tension left her and all of the sudden she felt tired and
>> weak. Her legs gave away and she sat down, leaning against the trunk
>> of the tree. Drowsiness came upon her and she slipped off in a
>> dreamless slumber.
>
> Superb!
::bows::
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emmel wrote:
[snip]
> Yes, I have. You don't get far in electronics without one. As tempting
> as the idea might be, it is not applicable here. Maybe you'll enjoy a
> little discussion. If not, then simply ignore the following.
> Melting some pure silver and thus covering the arrow head's
> surface would without doubt work. What we actually find in Ranira
> (Well, actually my imagination, but who cares?) is that there are two
> kinds of silver arrows. For one thing there are arrow heads made of
> solid silver or a silver alloy. Data on how much silver has to be in
> an alloy for it to work is sparse, but it usually contains at least
> three quarters of silver.
> The second kind are silver plated arrow heads. As the effect
> on werewolves is actually based on the reactive surface rather than
> the actual amount of silver they are just as effective as the solid
> version and quite a bit cheaper. And Laiva is not aware of it those
> are actually the more common kind. Her experience in that matter is
> somewhat singular and professionals never rely on silver plating. For
> a simple reason at that. The thin surface layer of silver wears down
> with time when you are using them on a regular basis and that can get
> ugly when you battle monsters for a living.
> You see the procedure of silver plating produces are very
> firmly attached layer on the target surface, but it's just a few
> thousand atoms thick - some nano to micrometres. Which, interestingly
> is exactly what you'd get by galvanic plating. Some investigation
> might be in order.
> In any case this rather thing surface layer of silver is
> exactly why Laiva does stand no chance to transfering the material
> from the clasp onto the arrow head. Melting the clasp would mean that
> trace amounts of silver would end up in a rather thick layer of molten
> clasp basis metal and a few atoms of silver cause no trouble to a
> werewolf. It's a rather bad idea to battle them with homeopathical
> (sp?) doses of silver.
> Anyway, it is nevertheless possible to transfer the silver
> coating of an arbitrary plated object on an arrow head. In fact the
> process differs little from the process of creating a plating in the
> first case as all that is done is transfering a small amount of silver
> from, say the surface of a silver bar or coin or something, onto an
> object of your choice. You have to refine the spell a bit not to
> remove any underlying material of the object in question together with
> its plating, but it is possible.
> Laiva, however, has never enjoyed the multiple year training a
> gold smith receives and has no high level magical education either, so
> that is not something she would be able to. In contrast compensating
> for the extra weight and changed geometry of the arrow head is a lot
> easier than you might think. The air friction of an arrow head doesn't
> actually contribute much to its flight path - the feathers at the end
> are far more important, the head can be approximated by a mass point -
> and the weight of the clasp may be a tenth of what the arrow head
> weighted before. Besides at the distance we have here Laiva could
> probably shot them with a spoon on a stick, although I wouldn't go as
> far as bet on it. (Well, I could, since I'm somewhat omnipotent when
> it comes to her hit ratio.)
> In case you are still reading this: Congrats. Sometimes I just
> start typing and don't find an end. If writing the story was only that
> easy, but then again rewriting something is a lot harder than doing
> something fresh. Anyway, thank you for bearing with my rambling.
I liked it! I didn't realize Laiva's mother gave her clasps that weren't
made of solid silver. I bought a pair of silver rings with my gf and
they were only about 12 euro. With magic runes  Gold is MUCH more
expensive. At least ten times as much. But then again, they are not that
effective against werewolves.
I still don't buy that having a lump of metal melted to a top of an
arrow doesn't affect it trajectory, but I take your word for it!
Nice story. Even if not that fictional.
I thought you studied physics, not electro-technics ??
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On 2007-12-06, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam.RemoveThis@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> emmel wrote:
> [snip]
>
> I liked it!
::bows::
> I didn't realize Laiva's mother gave her clasps that weren't
> made of solid silver.
Well, I made quite a point of it, but considering the time between me
posting the installments it is quite forgiveable to forget that.
> I bought a pair of silver rings with my gf and
> they were only about 12 euro. With magic runes Gold is MUCH more
> expensive. At least ten times as much. But then again, they are not that
> effective against werewolves.
Well, it's all a question of supply and demand. Being that helpful
against werewolves and the like makes silver quite high in demand and
besides there aren't that many silver mines either. Gold is even more
expensive, although it *would* have been a nice twist of turn to make it
the other way round. Unfortunately I've already decided on that matter,
but on the other hand nothing's fixed as of now... oh, wait, I *have*.
Not that I couldn't change it, but it would mean so reediting. Anyway,
to give you an idea of what exchange rates are, here is a bit of detail
on the monetary system used throughout Ranira and indeed in all four
great nations of the continent (I could elaborate, if you like, but the
"global" map is sketchy at best; I do have some ideas, though.):
There are three kinds of coins used, each of same size, but obviously
different weights due to that. The coins contain the metal in almost
pure form (limitations apply for practical reasons, but it's usually at
least 90%) and are roughly two and a half centimetres in diameter (which
coincidentally happens to be pretty much an inch) and about four
millimetres high. They are sharp edged (at least when they are new) and
sport some picture (haven't decided on what exactly), probably the same
one on both sides. The edge is riffled.
Weights for the coins are roughly:
2 1/2 gramms for iron coins
3 1/3 gramms for silver coins
6 gramms for gold coins
16 iron make 1 silver, 15 silver make one gold; this pretty much
correspondents to the actual material value (what a coincidence - they
*made* it that way by fixing the prices...). Thus gold is about 8.8
times more worth than silver and silver a bit more than twelve times the
worth or iron. That would make gold a little bit more than hundred times
the value of gold.
> I still don't buy that having a lump of metal melted to a top of an
> arrow doesn't affect it trajectory, but I take your word for it!
Well, yes, I'm aware I'm not much of a salesman. Let's assume the weight
of an unaltered arrow head of roughly 100 to 200 gramms. I tried to look
it up, but modern day sport arrows are a pure reference. With a clasp
of, well, maybe 10 gramms that's mean 5 to 10% more weight, so it would
mean it travels 5 to 10% shorter than otherwise. Assuming further that
the clasp is pretty much stream lines if put on the arrow head in the
right position it wouldn't make much of a difference in air friction.
The wolves are no more than 15 metres from her (it's almost completely
dark and Laiva's eyes would adopt to the light level of the fire). That
means that the arrow hits them at the hight the unaltered arrow would
have had when the wolves had been about 10 centimetres further from her.
(I hope that sentences parses. A lot of conjuntive in there.) Plus it
would hit with force (so the arrow would have a pretty much horizontal
path) and knows that the arrow is a bit heavier. I think it is reasonble
to say that it shouldn't make much of a difference. Feel free to correct
me, that's very approximate with a side order of guesses. It's not as if
I actually tried it out.
> Nice story.
Thanks. Not much of a story, really. It's mainly my five cents on why
things work in the story as they do. I try to be reasonable self
consistent and logical, even if I succeed only by varying degrees.
> Even if not that fictional.
Erm, I *did* discuss magical smithing, didn't I?
> I thought you studied physics, not electro-technics ??
Yes, so? A bit of electronics doesn't actually hurt and anyway, I
actually learned handlying a soldering iron at home. While I was still
at school. It's a useful skill to have.
Oh my, look at what I have done. Ranting at length again. I should drop
the story and start a blog...
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emmel wrote:
[snip]
>> I still don't buy that having a lump of metal melted to a top of an
>> arrow doesn't affect it trajectory, but I take your word for it!
>
> Well, yes, I'm aware I'm not much of a salesman. Let's assume the weight
> of an unaltered arrow head of roughly 100 to 200 gramms. I tried to look
> it up, but modern day sport arrows are a pure reference. With a clasp
> of, well, maybe 10 gramms that's mean 5 to 10% more weight, so it would
> mean it travels 5 to 10% shorter than otherwise. Assuming further that
> the clasp is pretty much stream lines if put on the arrow head in the
> right position it wouldn't make much of a difference in air friction.
> The wolves are no more than 15 metres from her (it's almost completely
> dark and Laiva's eyes would adopt to the light level of the fire). That
> means that the arrow hits them at the hight the unaltered arrow would
> have had when the wolves had been about 10 centimetres further from her.
> (I hope that sentences parses. A lot of conjuntive in there.) Plus it
> would hit with force (so the arrow would have a pretty much horizontal
> path) and knows that the arrow is a bit heavier. I think it is reasonble
> to say that it shouldn't make much of a difference. Feel free to correct
> me, that's very approximate with a side order of guesses. It's not as if
> I actually tried it out.
Bullets gain their stability when fired because they rotate all the way
to their target. The barrel of a tank has a spiraling curve inside of it
so the bullet will spiral towards its target.
If you go putting lumps of metal on a bullet, it will sway a lot because
of the instability and likely miss its target (e.g. the heart of a
werewolf).
I have played with darts and they rotate also when they leave your hand.
At least I think they do.
I don't see why wooden arrows would be any different.
And with paper planes it doesn't matter much what you attach to the
rear, but if the point is asymmetrical (the key word here), it will
never fly straight.
That said, I only fired a couple of arrows once and none of them hit the
target )
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Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
> emmel wrote: [snip]
>>> I still don't buy that having a lump of metal melted to a top of
>>> an arrow doesn't affect it trajectory, but I take your word for
>>> it!
>> Well, yes, I'm aware I'm not much of a salesman. Let's assume the
>> weight of an unaltered arrow head of roughly 100 to 200 gramms. I
>> tried to look it up, but modern day sport arrows are a pure
>> reference. With a clasp of, well, maybe 10 gramms that's mean 5 to
>> 10% more weight, so it would mean it travels 5 to 10% shorter than
>> otherwise. Assuming further that the clasp is pretty much stream
>> lines if put on the arrow head in the right position it wouldn't
>> make much of a difference in air friction. The wolves are no more
>> than 15 metres from her (it's almost completely dark and Laiva's
>> eyes would adopt to the light level of the fire). That means that
>> the arrow hits them at the hight the unaltered arrow would have had
>> when the wolves had been about 10 centimetres further from her. (I
>> hope that sentences parses. A lot of conjuntive in there.) Plus it
>> would hit with force (so the arrow would have a pretty much
>> horizontal path) and knows that the arrow is a bit heavier. I think
>> it is reasonble to say that it shouldn't make much of a
>> difference. Feel free to correct me, that's very approximate with a
>> side order of guesses. It's not as if I actually tried it out.
>
> Bullets gain their stability when fired because they rotate all the
> way to their target. The barrel of a tank has a spiraling curve
> inside of it so the bullet will spiral towards its target.
>
> If you go putting lumps of metal on a bullet, it will sway a lot
> because of the instability and likely miss its target (e.g. the heart
> of a werewolf).
>
> I have played with darts and they rotate also when they leave your
> hand. At least I think they do.
>
> I don't see why wooden arrows would be any different.
>
>
> And with paper planes it doesn't matter much what you attach to the
> rear, but if the point is asymmetrical (the key word here), it will
> never fly straight.
>
>
> That said, I only fired a couple of arrows once and none of them hit
> the target )
>
> Thomas
I hate to get in on this nitpick-fest, but...
Unfortunately, arrows can be kind of temperamental. The fletching on an
arrow gives it the spin that Thomas speaks of, which is important in
stability. However, an arrow obviously doesn't spin as fast as a bullet
and might not be able to overcome a lope-sided tip the way a bullet can.
Also, if the arrowhead becomes too heavy for the shaft and
fletching, that can make for an inaccurate shot as well.
It might work if these are very lightweight clasps, or better, if the
arrowhead was coated with the silver rather than fused with a clasp. But
arrows are quite light and there's not very much room for error when it
comes to accuracy.
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On 2007-12-08, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam.DeleteThis@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> emmel wrote:
> [snip]
>>> I still don't buy that having a lump of metal melted to a top of an
>>> arrow doesn't affect it trajectory, but I take your word for it!
>>
>> Well, yes, I'm aware I'm not much of a salesman. Let's assume the weight
>> of an unaltered arrow head of roughly 100 to 200 gramms. I tried to look
>> it up, but modern day sport arrows are a pure reference. With a clasp
>> of, well, maybe 10 gramms that's mean 5 to 10% more weight, so it would
>> mean it travels 5 to 10% shorter than otherwise. Assuming further that
>> the clasp is pretty much stream lines if put on the arrow head in the
>> right position it wouldn't make much of a difference in air friction.
>> The wolves are no more than 15 metres from her (it's almost completely
>> dark and Laiva's eyes would adopt to the light level of the fire). That
>> means that the arrow hits them at the hight the unaltered arrow would
>> have had when the wolves had been about 10 centimetres further from her.
>> (I hope that sentences parses. A lot of conjuntive in there.) Plus it
>> would hit with force (so the arrow would have a pretty much horizontal
>> path) and knows that the arrow is a bit heavier. I think it is reasonble
>> to say that it shouldn't make much of a difference. Feel free to correct
>> me, that's very approximate with a side order of guesses. It's not as if
>> I actually tried it out.
>
> Bullets gain their stability when fired because they rotate all the way
> to their target. The barrel of a tank has a spiraling curve inside of it
> so the bullet will spiral towards its target.
Well, yes, bullets *are* stabilized by making them rotate. Although it
does work without. Before the typical bulletshape came into use they use
spherical projectiles and although they weren't as accurate and didn't
fly as far it still worked.
> If you go putting lumps of metal on a bullet, it will sway a lot because
> of the instability and likely miss its target (e.g. the heart of a
> werewolf).
They don't spin, so that won't be a real problem. And the clasp would be
attached quite stream lined, as I already said, thus not posing any
serious problems IMNSHO. The fletching (see below) should be able to
compensate for that and at short distances that kind of thing has a lot
less influence than at long distances. At short distances (and with
enough force) I can throw a dart sance fletching and make it hit.
> I have played with darts and they rotate also when they leave your hand.
> At least I think they do.
Maybe they did, but actually the fletching (called flyer with darts,
IIRC) which serves the same purpose as the feathers at the end of an
arrow, should prevent that kind of thing. The key here is preventing
turbulence and creating a force that counters small deviations in the
flight path, thus preventing the arrow (or dart) from turning in mid
air. (Does that get the point across? Doing that kind of thing without
illustrations isn't that easy.)
> I don't see why wooden arrows would be any different.
See above: They shouldn't and they wouldn't.
> And with paper planes it doesn't matter much what you attach to the
> rear, but if the point is asymmetrical (the key word here), it will
> never fly straight.
In the case of paper planes the whole of the thing serves the purpose of
the flecthing in arrows and darts. And remember: Spinning paper planes
are *not* built properly.
> That said, I only fired a couple of arrows once and none of them hit the
> target )
Actually, I never did fire as much as a single arrow. I played a bit of
darts now and again, though.
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On 2007-12-08, Red Dragon <agclurker.RemoveThis@lurkerson.net> wrote:
> Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
>> emmel wrote: [snip]
>>>> I still don't buy that having a lump of metal melted to a top of
>>>> an arrow doesn't affect it trajectory, but I take your word for
>>>> it!
>>> Well, yes, I'm aware I'm not much of a salesman. Let's assume the
>>> weight of an unaltered arrow head of roughly 100 to 200 gramms. I
>>> tried to look it up, but modern day sport arrows are a pure
>>> reference. With a clasp of, well, maybe 10 gramms that's mean 5 to
>>> 10% more weight, so it would mean it travels 5 to 10% shorter than
>>> otherwise. Assuming further that the clasp is pretty much stream
>>> lines if put on the arrow head in the right position it wouldn't
>>> make much of a difference in air friction. The wolves are no more
>>> than 15 metres from her (it's almost completely dark and Laiva's
>>> eyes would adopt to the light level of the fire). That means that
>>> the arrow hits them at the hight the unaltered arrow would have had
>>> when the wolves had been about 10 centimetres further from her. (I
>>> hope that sentences parses. A lot of conjuntive in there.) Plus it
>>> would hit with force (so the arrow would have a pretty much
>>> horizontal path) and knows that the arrow is a bit heavier. I think
>>> it is reasonble to say that it shouldn't make much of a
>>> difference. Feel free to correct me, that's very approximate with a
>>> side order of guesses. It's not as if I actually tried it out.
>>
>> Bullets gain their stability when fired because they rotate all the
>> way to their target. The barrel of a tank has a spiraling curve
>> inside of it so the bullet will spiral towards its target.
>>
>> If you go putting lumps of metal on a bullet, it will sway a lot
>> because of the instability and likely miss its target (e.g. the heart
>> of a werewolf).
>>
>> I have played with darts and they rotate also when they leave your
>> hand. At least I think they do.
>>
>> I don't see why wooden arrows would be any different.
>>
>>
>> And with paper planes it doesn't matter much what you attach to the
>> rear, but if the point is asymmetrical (the key word here), it will
>> never fly straight.
>>
>>
>> That said, I only fired a couple of arrows once and none of them hit
>> the target )
>>
>> Thomas
>
> I hate to get in on this nitpick-fest, but...
>
> Unfortunately, arrows can be kind of temperamental. The fletching on an
> arrow gives it the spin that Thomas speaks of, which is important in
> stability.
Erm, they do? Oh...
::does some more googling::
I see, yes, makes sense. Plenty of sense.
> However, an arrow obviously doesn't spin as fast as a bullet
> and might not be able to overcome a lope-sided tip the way a bullet can.
>
> Also, if the arrowhead becomes too heavy for the shaft and
> fletching, that can make for an inaccurate shot as well.
>
> It might work if these are very lightweight clasps, or better, if the
Hm... I think I came up with +5 to +10 percent...
> arrowhead was coated with the silver rather than fused with a clasp. But
Which unfortunately isn't an option here.
> arrows are quite light and there's not very much room for error when it
> comes to accuracy.
What about short distances? Shouldn't that make things a bit more...
relieable? And how much *does* an arrow actually weight - with a proper
arrow old fashioned _arrow_ head, that is?
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emmel wrote:
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>
>> However, an arrow obviously doesn't spin as fast as a bullet and
>> might not be able to overcome a lope-sided tip the way a bullet
>> can.
>>
>> Also, if the arrowhead becomes too heavy for the shaft and
>> fletching, that can make for an inaccurate shot as well.
>>
>> It might work if these are very lightweight clasps, or better, if
>> the
>
> Hm... I think I came up with +5 to +10 percent...
If you don't think the clasps would change the arrow's center of gravity
significantly, it should be fine.
>
>> arrowhead was coated with the silver rather than fused with a
>> clasp. But
>
> Which unfortunately isn't an option here.
Which is understood.
>
>> arrows are quite light and there's not very much room for error
>> when it comes to accuracy.
>
> What about short distances? Shouldn't that make things a bit more...
> relieable? And how much *does* an arrow actually weight - with a
> proper arrow old fashioned _arrow_ head, that is?
It's true that long distances are where unbalanced arrows get shown as
inaccurate, so a fairly short distance might still work. Especially if
it were a faster arrow.
I assume Laiva would be using a hunting-type metal arrowhead, like a
more basic broadhead. As for the entire weight of a wooden arrow, I
believe arrows like that range from 19 grams to 45 grams. It depends
greatly on a few things what weight she would use, like the kind of bow
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On 2007-12-11, Red Dragon <agclurker.TakeThisOut@lurkerson.net> wrote:
> emmel wrote:
Second try - stupid computer dies on me...
>>> However, an arrow obviously doesn't spin as fast as a bullet and
>>> might not be able to overcome a lope-sided tip the way a bullet
>>> can.
>>>
>>> Also, if the arrowhead becomes too heavy for the shaft and
>>> fletching, that can make for an inaccurate shot as well.
>>>
>>> It might work if these are very lightweight clasps, or better, if
>>> the
>>
>> Hm... I think I came up with +5 to +10 percent...
>
> If you don't think the clasps would change the arrow's center of gravity
> significantly, it should be fine.
Considering that the arrow head wasn't rotation symmetrical in the first
place and given that the clasp gets attached at the broad side, that
shouldn't be a problem. Unless you were talking about the center of
weight along its length... but I don't think the clasp is heavy enough
for that.
>>> arrowhead was coated with the silver rather than fused with a
>>> clasp. But
>>
>> Which unfortunately isn't an option here.
>
> Which is understood.
::nods::
>>> arrows are quite light and there's not very much room for error
>>> when it comes to accuracy.
>>
>> What about short distances? Shouldn't that make things a bit more...
>> relieable? And how much *does* an arrow actually weight - with a
>> proper arrow old fashioned _arrow_ head, that is?
>
> It's true that long distances are where unbalanced arrows get shown as
> inaccurate, so a fairly short distance might still work. Especially if
> it were a faster arrow.
Are there big differences in arrow speed?
> I assume Laiva would be using a hunting-type metal arrowhead, like a
> more basic broadhead.
Yes, I guess so.
> As for the entire weight of a wooden arrow, I
> believe arrows like that range from 19 grams to 45 grams. It depends
> greatly on a few things what weight she would use, like the kind of bow
> she has, her draw weight, and of course, her preference.
Well, considering her body height and the resulting limitations she
would use a not-quite-as-longbow, so I'd tend to the lighter kind.
Although I'm a bit surprised about the numbers you give. I'd though the
head would be a hundred gramms at least. There isn't much material you
can fit into that weight and that still leaves the shaft...
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emmel wrote:
> On 2007-12-11, Red Dragon <agclurker.RemoveThis@lurkerson.net> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>
> Second try - stupid computer dies on me...
>
>>>> However, an arrow obviously doesn't spin as fast as a bullet
>>>> and might not be able to overcome a lope-sided tip the way a
>>>> bullet can.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if the arrowhead becomes too heavy for the shaft and
>>>> fletching, that can make for an inaccurate shot as well.
>>>>
>>>> It might work if these are very lightweight clasps, or better,
>>>> if the
>>> Hm... I think I came up with +5 to +10 percent...
>> If you don't think the clasps would change the arrow's center of
>> gravity significantly, it should be fine.
>
> Considering that the arrow head wasn't rotation symmetrical in the
> first place and given that the clasp gets attached at the broad side,
> that shouldn't be a problem. Unless you were talking about the
> center of weight along its length... but I don't think the clasp is
> heavy enough for that.
Perhaps center of weight is what I mean. What I'm referring to is the
point on the arrow's length where, if placed on a wedge, it would
be perfectly balanced. I think this point should be between about 12 and
15 percent the length for a well-balanced arrow with a broadhead.
I could still be mixing this up with another set of numbers and it
actually should between 7 and 10 percent of the length. It's been a
while since I last thought about all this.
>
>>>> arrowhead was coated with the silver rather than fused with a
>>>> clasp. But
>>> Which unfortunately isn't an option here.
>> Which is understood.
>
> ::nods::
>
>>>> arrows are quite light and there's not very much room for error
>>>> when it comes to accuracy.
>>> What about short distances? Shouldn't that make things a bit
>>> more... relieable? And how much *does* an arrow actually weight -
>>> with a proper arrow old fashioned _arrow_ head, that is?
>> It's true that long distances are where unbalanced arrows get shown
>> as inaccurate, so a fairly short distance might still work.
>> Especially if it were a faster arrow.
>
> Are there big differences in arrow speed?
Well, probably not so much in this case, particularly with a broadhead.
If I remember correctly, a faster arrow just makes it easier to kill
something since you don't have to make as tight a distance estimate.
Nevermind about the speed.
>
>> I assume Laiva would be using a hunting-type metal arrowhead, like
>> a more basic broadhead.
>
> Yes, I guess so.
>
>> As for the entire weight of a wooden arrow, I believe arrows like
>> that range from 19 grams to 45 grams. It depends greatly on a few
>> things what weight she would use, like the kind of bow she has, her
>> draw weight, and of course, her preference.
>
> Well, considering her body height and the resulting limitations she
> would use a not-quite-as-longbow, so I'd tend to the lighter kind.
> Although I'm a bit surprised about the numbers you give. I'd though
> the head would be a hundred gramms at least. There isn't much
> material you can fit into that weight and that still leaves the
> shaft...
Well, arrows are weighed in grains normally. 10 grains per pound of draw
weight is a rule of thumb for a good hunting balance of speed and
penetration. Arrowheads are supposed to be lighter than the rest of the
arrow, and 500 grains for the whole arrow is a popular weight (for the
average adult male hunter, however).
Mind you, I am working off assumptions that old-fashioned arrowheads
weren't tremendously heavier than modern day metal broadheads. This
could be an error of mine. But trust me, 100 grams sounds awfully heavy
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On 2007-12-11, Red Dragon <agclurker.RemoveThis@lurkerson.net> wrote:
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2007-12-11, Red Dragon <agclurker.RemoveThis@lurkerson.net> wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>
>> Second try - stupid computer dies on me...
>>
>>>>> However, an arrow obviously doesn't spin as fast as a bullet
>>>>> and might not be able to overcome a lope-sided tip the way a
>>>>> bullet can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if the arrowhead becomes too heavy for the shaft and
>>>>> fletching, that can make for an inaccurate shot as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might work if these are very lightweight clasps, or better,
>>>>> if the
>>>> Hm... I think I came up with +5 to +10 percent...
>>> If you don't think the clasps would change the arrow's center of
>>> gravity significantly, it should be fine.
>>
>> Considering that the arrow head wasn't rotation symmetrical in the
>> first place and given that the clasp gets attached at the broad side,
>> that shouldn't be a problem. Unless you were talking about the
>> center of weight along its length... but I don't think the clasp is
>> heavy enough for that.
>
> Perhaps center of weight is what I mean. What I'm referring to is the
> point on the arrow's length where, if placed on a wedge, it would
> be perfectly balanced. I think this point should be between about 12 and
> 15 percent the length for a well-balanced arrow with a broadhead.
Sounds reasonable. For some strange reason I was thinking about the
point the center of mass (which is the perfectly right phrase, btw)
would be in when looking at the arrow from the tip. In other words the
2D center of mass in the x-y plane when the z plane is defined by the
shaft.
> I could still be mixing this up with another set of numbers and it
> actually should between 7 and 10 percent of the length. It's been a
> while since I last thought about all this.
Depends greatly on how heavy the tip actually is...
>>
>>>>> arrowhead was coated with the silver rather than fused with a
>>>>> clasp. But
>>>> Which unfortunately isn't an option here.
>>> Which is understood.
>>
>> ::nods::
>>
>>>>> arrows are quite light and there's not very much room for error
>>>>> when it comes to accuracy.
>>>> What about short distances? Shouldn't that make things a bit
>>>> more... relieable? And how much *does* an arrow actually weight -
>>>> with a proper arrow old fashioned _arrow_ head, that is?
>>> It's true that long distances are where unbalanced arrows get shown
>>> as inaccurate, so a fairly short distance might still work.
>>> Especially if it were a faster arrow.
>>
>> Are there big differences in arrow speed?
>
> Well, probably not so much in this case, particularly with a broadhead.
> If I remember correctly, a faster arrow just makes it easier to kill
> something since you don't have to make as tight a distance estimate.
> Nevermind about the speed.
All right. I was just curious how big the differences for different
types of arrows were. Not that I have a clue how fast an arrow would be
in the first place...
>>> I assume Laiva would be using a hunting-type metal arrowhead, like
>>> a more basic broadhead.
>>
>> Yes, I guess so.
>>
>>> As for the entire weight of a wooden arrow, I believe arrows like
>>> that range from 19 grams to 45 grams. It depends greatly on a few
>>> things what weight she would use, like the kind of bow she has, her
>>> draw weight, and of course, her preference.
>>
>> Well, considering her body height and the resulting limitations she
>> would use a not-quite-as-longbow, so I'd tend to the lighter kind.
>> Although I'm a bit surprised about the numbers you give. I'd though
>> the head would be a hundred gramms at least. There isn't much
>> material you can fit into that weight and that still leaves the
>> shaft...
>
> Well, arrows are weighed in grains normally. 10 grains per pound of draw
> weight is a rule of thumb for a good hunting balance of speed and
> penetration. Arrowheads are supposed to be lighter than the rest of the
> arrow, and 500 grains for the whole arrow is a popular weight (for the
> average adult male hunter, however).
Wait a sec, I have to look grains up (again). So 500 grain would be 32
gramms (approcimately)...
> Mind you, I am working off assumptions that old-fashioned arrowheads
> weren't tremendously heavier than modern day metal broadheads. This
> could be an error of mine. But trust me, 100 grams sounds awfully heavy
> for just the head.
Hm, you may have a point here. Amazon has a couple broad heads on sale
which weight 100 or 125 grain which would make six and a half to 8
gramms. Material is stainless steel, so that should fit. However, those
heads seem to have been seriously reduced in mass by cutting away most
of the material (do a quick search and you'll see what I mean) while the
arrows in question (made more or less of softer iron) would be more
solid. That would make the arrow head 13 to 16 gramms. Let's say Laiva
uses ones that weight 10 gramms... Well, the clasp would have to be
extremely light.
According to http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/english-longbow/usage.html
at least the kind used for war was quite a bit heavier:
With their bodkin points these massive war arrows probably weighed
around 65 to 100 grams (1000 to 1500 grains, grain being a unit of
measure often used for arrows and bullets). This is 2 or 3 times the
weight of wooden or aluminum arrows used today and 4 to 5 times the
weight of modern carbon fiber arrows or pre 20th century "flight
arrows," used in distance shooting contests.
Sounds as if the 500 grain of yours are quite reasonable. The whole
thing should work out all right... but it sounds as if Laiva should
seriously get some proper silver arrows
Seriously, I'd hate to write complete nonsense. I have no problem
streching my imagination and reality to the point of breaching, but it
should be self consistent. Close call, that one.
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