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Since: Feb 14, 2008 Posts: 22
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(Msg. 61) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:27 pm
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious.DeleteThis@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote in
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> Terry Austin wrote:
>> BP <reply.DeleteThis@newsgroup.please> wrote in
>> news:rhhbt3pa7k5thorruqi4co009uskt0gfra@4ax.com:
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>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:15:19 GMT, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
>>>Sissy <taustinca.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>>Gaming, comics and strippers?
>>>
>>>
>>>Hmm. I personally would probably visit that FLGS quite often,
>>>but I don't think I'd let my two teenage sons go there, at
>>>least not for a few more years...
>>>
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>> Yeah, but you wouldn't want to deny them their hobby, so you'd
>> have to do their shopping for them.
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>
> Gives a new meaning to "keeping abreast of new developments
> in the
> gaming world".
>
Indeed. A brand new meaning, that has never before been used in
reference to gaming or gamers. Seriously.
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(Msg. 62) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:10 pm
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tussock <scrub.DeleteThis@clear.net.nz> wrote in news:47d66fe5@clear.net.nz:
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>>> One of the biggest problems with owning a game store is that
>>> if you are going to have in-store gaming, you have to dedicate
>>> a chank of floorspace that doesn't actually generate much, if
>>> any money. Your best bet is to consider the rent on that part
>>> of your space to come from your advertising budget.
>>>
>> I've seen in-store gaming areas put one game store out of
>> business, and seriously damage another. Retail space is among
>> the most expensive of all real estate, and you just can't
>> afford to let it not generate income.
>
> I always figured gaming space should be run as its own
> business,
> upstairs from the game shop if you've got an upstairs.
The game store that went under (after a lot of successful years)
did that, in the space next door. Not only did it lose money, it
lost so much it sucked the parent business under. Gaming space just
doesn't make enough money to pay retail rents.
>
> Do it well and charge by the hour, booked and paid a week in
> advance
> at minimum. Sectioned off with some basic soundproofing, tables
> for easy cleaning and solid enough not to knock down minis and
> spill drinks when they're bumped, seats that won't kill your ass
> for six or seven hours. Good ventilation and temperature control
> for the inevitable sweathogs. Did I mention easy cleaning? Power
> and connectivity for a great many laptops, enough footspace for
> folk to pace about.
The problem is, you can't make enough people happy when they're
paying money to game. Either you "encourage" gamemasters to not
make it too tough, and avoid killing characters, and you lose have
your clientele because it's too easy, or you don't, and you get
screaming complaints about dead characters. Either way, you lose
half your customers.
>
> Coke machine, junkfood. Preferably near a (less greasy)
> takeaway food
> joint, do some joint marketing and coupon tricks with them,
> maybe organise free delivery if near a pizza place or something.
> No booze.
>
> Then give up on the gamers and rent it to the local phone
> spammers or
> gold farmers instead. I mean, market research company.
>
Which is to say, if you have an open spot in the sales floor
somwhere that you can set up a table for demo games, that's fine,
but don't do anything that costs you money to provide gaming space.
That's what the clubs at the local colleges are for.
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(Msg. 63) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:10 pm
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"Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy" <taustinca.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> tussock <scrub.DeleteThis@clear.net.nz> wrote in news:47d66fe5@clear.net.nz:
>> Then give up on the gamers and rent it to the local phone
>> spammers or
>> gold farmers instead. I mean, market research company.
>>
> Which is to say, if you have an open spot in the sales floor
> somwhere that you can set up a table for demo games, that's fine,
> but don't do anything that costs you money to provide gaming space.
> That's what the clubs at the local colleges are for.
We have a successful gaming store here that has gaming space. However, they
use it for official (mostly Magic) tournaments all the damned time, and I
know they are making some money on that. When there are no tournaments, the
owner uses it for packing orders and doing inventory on new cards (he runs
http://www.blackborder.com/ ). Another one in town does something similar,
but with wargamers.
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:12 pm
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Keith Davies <keith.davies.TakeThisOut@kjdavies.org> wrote in
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> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Argonel <joe.argonel.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:aeb15155-2c99-427b-8528-30352945a307@s12g2000prg.googlegrou
>> ps. com:
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>>> One of the biggest problems with owning a game store is that
>>> if you are going to have in-store gaming, you have to dedicate
>>> a chank of floorspace that doesn't actually generate much, if
>>> any money. Your best bet is to consider the rent on that part
>>> of your space to come from your advertising budget.
>>
>> I've seen in-store gaming areas put one game store out of
>> business, and seriously damage another. Retail space is among
>> the most expensive of all real estate, and you just can't
>> afford to let it not generate income.
>
> Indeed. One of the local stores ended up closing because they
> weren't moving enough product. Part of the reason was they
> didn't have enough space allocated to product (half product,
> half (small) gaming rooms),
That was what almost put the second store mentioned under, but they
were smart enough to stop before it was too late. The other one
actually rented the space next door, at retail rental rates, for a
gaming area. Morons.
> a bigger part was that they were
> being 'used as a daycare' (to quote the owner) -- kids were
> being dropped off to spend the day in the game rooms, not buying
> product, and making it too damn noisy and crowded for paying
> customers to want to hang around.
>
> Yeah, he was pissed.
>
Oh, that's easy to deal with. Just inform parents that minors
(yeah, even 17 year olds) have to have a parent or guardian present
at all times, or they'll be turned over to CPS as abandoned.
Or a sign that says "Unattended children will be given a latte and
a puppy."
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:02 pm
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"Malachias Invictus" <invictusebay DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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> "Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy" <taustinca DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in
> message news:Xns9A5E677009631taustingmail@69.16.186.7...
>> tussock <scrub DeleteThis @clear.net.nz> wrote in
>> news:47d66fe5@clear.net.nz:
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>>> Then give up on the gamers and rent it to the local phone
>>> spammers or
>>> gold farmers instead. I mean, market research company.
>>>
>> Which is to say, if you have an open spot in the sales floor
>> somwhere that you can set up a table for demo games, that's
>> fine, but don't do anything that costs you money to provide
>> gaming space. That's what the clubs at the local colleges are
>> for.
>
> We have a successful gaming store here that has gaming space.
> However, they use it for official (mostly Magic) tournaments all
> the damned time, and I know they are making some money on that.
Drug dealers always make money, yes.
> When there are no tournaments, the owner uses it for packing
> orders and doing inventory on new cards (he runs
> http://www.blackborder.com/ ). Another one in town does
> something similar, but with wargamers.
>
I'll wager it's not "wargamers," so much as "Warhammer 40K"
addicts. Again, drug dealers always make money, but you're still
talking about a pharmacy, not a game store.
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:02 pm
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"Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy" <taustinca.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Malachias Invictus" <invictusebay.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>> "Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy" <taustinca.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in
>> message news:Xns9A5E677009631taustingmail@69.16.186.7...
>>> tussock <scrub.DeleteThis@clear.net.nz> wrote in
>>> news:47d66fe5@clear.net.nz:
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>>>> Then give up on the gamers and rent it to the local phone
>>>> spammers or
>>>> gold farmers instead. I mean, market research company.
>>>>
>>> Which is to say, if you have an open spot in the sales floor
>>> somwhere that you can set up a table for demo games, that's
>>> fine, but don't do anything that costs you money to provide
>>> gaming space. That's what the clubs at the local colleges are
>>> for.
>>
>> We have a successful gaming store here that has gaming space.
>> However, they use it for official (mostly Magic) tournaments all
>> the damned time, and I know they are making some money on that.
>
> Drug dealers always make money, yes.
>
>> When there are no tournaments, the owner uses it for packing
>> orders and doing inventory on new cards (he runs
>> http://www.blackborder.com/ ). Another one in town does
>> something similar, but with wargamers.
>>
> I'll wager it's not "wargamers," so much as "Warhammer 40K"
> addicts. Again, drug dealers always make money, but you're still
> talking about a pharmacy, not a game store.
I have not seen too much of that, actually. War Machine seems to be the
drug of choice there. Of course, they also host other stuff.
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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
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(Msg. 67) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:04 pm
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David Alex Lamb <dalamb DeleteThis @cs.queensu.ca> wrote in
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> Seebs wrote:
>> Not huge -- it's St. Olaf and Carleton. I live in Northfield.
>> Population about 19k including the college students.
>>
>> Not big enough for a business aimed at making a lot of money;
>> possibly big enough for a business that could provide a living
>> wage for one or two people.
>
> 19k sounds really small to me. Kingston has 117,000 (not
> counting the 20k+ migratory students, I think), three
> post-secondary institutions, and exactly one FLGS. He has to
> compete with the big-box bookstore(s) on the most profitable
> books, and with the main-street games store for boxed games
> (downtown is basically one street wide and 2 km long, and it's
> harder to be profitable if you're not on that street).
Which is to say, it's *not* one FLGS, for practical purposes. There
are, in fact, at least three stores selling gaming stuff, even if
not exclusively.
> He has
> about 1/3 - 1/2 the store as gaming space; I don't know whether
> he charges for it. He's been in business for quite a few years,
> so he's profitable,
That's an unsupported leap of logic. Perhaps he's just rich.
> but he's got a much bigger market than you
> do.
>
And more competition, by your account.
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(Msg. 68) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:04 pm
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Which is to say, it's *not* one FLGS, for practical purposes. There
> are, in fact, at least three stores selling gaming stuff, even if
> not exclusively.
Hmm. Yes, I misconceptualized. Perhaps "He's the one store in town
that carries everything I'd want an FLGS to carry?" Since the big-box
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(Msg. 69) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:40 pm
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David Alex Lamb <dalamb RemoveThis @cs.queensu.ca> wrote in
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> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Which is to say, it's *not* one FLGS, for practical purposes.
>> There are, in fact, at least three stores selling gaming stuff,
>> even if not exclusively.
>
> Hmm. Yes, I misconceptualized. Perhaps "He's the one store in
> town that carries everything I'd want an FLGS to carry?"
More accurate, no doubt, but utterly useless to everyone but you.
> Since
> the big-box doesn't carry many books, and the board game store
> doesn't carry any.
>
But even you acknowledged they were competition.
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(Msg. 70) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:24 pm
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
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> The three most important things in retail are location, location,
> and location. Engrave that on the inside of your eyelids, and make
> it your bible.
Wouldn't you need three eyes to engrave location, location and location
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(Msg. 71) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:24 pm
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Hong Ooi <hong.RemoveThis@zipworld.com.au> wrote in
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> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>>
>> The three most important things in retail are location,
>> location, and location. Engrave that on the inside of your
>> eyelids, and make it your bible.
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> Wouldn't you need three eyes to engrave location, location and
> location on your eyelids?
>
Well, the "f" in the groups name is for "fantasy," after all.
Or you could just write small.
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(Msg. 72) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:25 pm
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Hong Ooi wrote:
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
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>> The three most important things in retail are location, location,
>> and location. Engrave that on the inside of your eyelids, and make
>> it your bible.
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> Wouldn't you need three eyes to engrave location, location and
> location on your eyelids?
LOCATION LOCA TION LOCATION
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(Msg. 73) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:33 pm
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
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> Which is to say, if you have an open spot in the sales floor
> somwhere that you can set up a table for demo games, that's fine,
> but don't do anything that costs you money to provide gaming space.
> That's what the clubs at the local colleges are for.
I agree. Not many gaming stores can really compete with a university which
rents out rooms cheaply, or for free to student gaming clubs. In Sydney, we
have four or five dedicated gaming stores (to cover 4.3 million people in
4700 square miles! Perhaps there are some I've never heard of in the south
and southwest), but the only one which offers gaming space to roleplayers
instead of using it to run CCG tournaments is the one in the northwest, far
from the universities near the inner city and the northern suburbs.
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(Msg. 74) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:47 pm
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"tussock" <scrub DeleteThis @clear.net.nz> wrote in message
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> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Argonel wrote:
>>
>>> It's still easy to make a small fortune with a game store, the trick is
>>> to start with a large fortune.
>>
>> There is much wisdom in those words.
>
> Just remember, everything else you sell with be better turnover than
> the RPG books. Think of the RPGs as being there to draw the nerd crowd
> into your shop, find out what they really spend their money on and sell
> it to them.
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(Msg. 75) Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:13 am
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On 2008-03-11, David Alex Lamb <dalamb.DeleteThis@cs.queensu.ca> wrote:
> 19k sounds really small to me. Kingston has 117,000 (not counting the
> 20k+ migratory students, I think), three post-secondary institutions,
> and exactly one FLGS. He has to compete with the big-box bookstore(s)
> on the most profitable books, and with the main-street games store for
> boxed games (downtown is basically one street wide and 2 km long, and
> it's harder to be profitable if you're not on that street). He has
> about 1/3 - 1/2 the store as gaming space; I don't know whether he
> charges for it. He's been in business for quite a few years, so he's
> profitable, but he's got a much bigger market than you do.
We don't have any big-box bookstores. So far as I can tell, there is NOTHING
within about 18 miles that will sell you so much as a single D&D book.
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