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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:13:00 -0500, Isla Nublar <not.TakeThisOut@this.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:04:31 -0500, "balthazor31503"
><balthazor31503.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> what i'm wondering are there space sim out there that are mmporg's ?
>
>www.eve-online.com
>
>I have enjoyed EvE for more than a year now. It gets stale if you do
>the same things all the time, and it *can* be very frustrating to try
>to get ahead. ~10k players online at any given time in the western
>world, and always someone to chat with.
>
>regards,
>
>Strange Bru

I played EVE for about a year and a half and finally left.
It's got a lot of cool features. (detailed economy, lots of
customizing options for ships, lots of ships to choose from, ect)

The main problems with it are long term bugs, and the GVP combat
system.
There's bugs in the chat channels that have been there for more than 6
months. Ships bouncing off of objects and being thrown dozens or
hundreds of KM has been there for a long time. Getting stuck on
asteroids has been there since beta. The list goes on and on.

There's no real sense of fair play in the combat either. While other
games have PVP (player VS player) EVE has GVP. (ganksquad VS player)

You see EVE has lower security space where piracy is possible. Since
it's not against the rules for stronger players to attack much weaker
ones, the fights tend to be VERY one sided. 5 or 10 against 1 isn't
unusual. If you're a new character with nothing worth stealing, you
still get blowed up just to make a pretty explosion to watch. (and
there goes all the work you put into getting that ship and equipping
it.)

Corporation and alliance wars tend to work the same way. If you have a
vastly superior force you attack. If it's an even fight or you're
outnumbered you run away and hide.

Pretty much the only fair combat against other players you get is
against friends and that takes some special organizing to set up.
(need to be in the same corp and gang to fight without loosing
security rating)

The PVE (player VS enviroment) aspect of it can be fun for a while,
but eventually some jerk is going to try and ruin your day just
because he can.

It probably sounds like I'm a disgruntled ex player who lost a lot of
stuff to pirates and ganksquads. That's not really true. I played that
game long enough to avoid most combat I didn't want and seldom lost
ships. When I left I had 280m in cash and about 200m in ships.
It just got boring to see players using the game mechanics to win at
any cost.

If you're thinking of signing up I recommend going to their web site
and reading the forums for a couple of hours to find out what the
players think of the game. (they're open to the public to read but not
post) WWW.eve-online.com


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Jeff H........
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:12:46 GMT, Jeff Holinski <Holinski.DeleteThis@shaw.ca>
wrote ...

.... much that is true. In fact, I don't dispute a word in your post.
But the richness of the environment has helped me put up with all the
stuff you mentioned.

Strange Bru
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:00:54 -0500, Isla Nublar <not.TakeThisOut@this.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:12:46 GMT, Jeff Holinski <Holinski.TakeThisOut@shaw.ca>
>wrote ...
>
>... much that is true.

What is true?

>In fact, I don't dispute a word in your post.

What post?

>But the richness of the environment has helped me put up with all the
>stuff you mentioned.

Please adopt the normal courtesies of usenet, and QUOTE the post you
are responding to. Otherwise nobody else has a clue what you are
talking about.

Lemming
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Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:51:55 +0000, Lemming
<thiswillbounce RemoveThis @bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:00:54 -0500, Isla Nublar <not RemoveThis @this.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:12:46 GMT, Jeff Holinski <Holinski RemoveThis @shaw.ca>
>>wrote ...
>>
>>... much that is true.
>
>What is true?
>
>>In fact, I don't dispute a word in your post.
>
>What post?
>
>>But the richness of the environment has helped me put up with all the
>>stuff you mentioned.
>
>Please adopt the normal courtesies of usenet, and QUOTE the post you
>are responding to. Otherwise nobody else has a clue what you are
>talking about.
>
>Lemming

>Can I go now?
>
>Lemming
>--
>Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.

I wish you would.
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:06:06 -0500, Isla Nublar <not.RemoveThis@this.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:51:55 +0000, Lemming
><thiswillbounce.RemoveThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:00:54 -0500, Isla Nublar <not.RemoveThis@this.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:12:46 GMT, Jeff Holinski <Holinski.RemoveThis@shaw.ca>
>>>wrote ...
>>>
>>>... much that is true.
>>
>>What is true?
>>
>>>In fact, I don't dispute a word in your post.
>>
>>What post?
>>
>>>But the richness of the environment has helped me put up with all the
>>>stuff you mentioned.
>>
>>Please adopt the normal courtesies of usenet, and QUOTE the post you
>>are responding to. Otherwise nobody else has a clue what you are
>>talking about.
>>
>>Lemming
>
>>Can I go now?
>>
>>Lemming
>>--
>>Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.
>
>I wish you would.

Well, you got it half right. Maybe it's my fault: perhaps I should
have also spelled out that it's also courteous not to add to the
quoted text words which weren't originally there. Keep trying, you'll
get it eventually.

Lemming
--
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:04:46 +0000, Lemming
<thiswillbounce DeleteThis @bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Well, you got it half right. Maybe it's my fault: perhaps I should
>have also spelled out that it's also courteous not to add to the
>quoted text words which weren't originally there. Keep trying, you'll
>get it eventually.

You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll. And you've hit
my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
Ten years in usenet, and no one before you has been able to convince
me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
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"Isla Nublar" <not RemoveThis @this.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:04:46 +0000, Lemming
> <thiswillbounce RemoveThis @bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Well, you got it half right. Maybe it's my fault: perhaps I should
> >have also spelled out that it's also courteous not to add to the
> >quoted text words which weren't originally there. Keep trying, you'll
> >get it eventually.
>
> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll. And you've hit
> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
> Ten years in usenet, and no one before you has been able to convince
> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.

Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1.DeleteThis@san.rr.com>
wrote:

>
>"Isla Nublar" <not.DeleteThis@this.net> wrote in message
>news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
>> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll. And you've hit
>> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
>> Ten years in usenet, and no one before you has been able to convince
>> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
>
>Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.

Back in September 2004 s/he posted a couple of messages that actually
had CONTENT about space-sims. For quite some time before that, and
since from what I can see, Lemming's posts are just sniping about
netiquette with frequent forays into uncalled for nastiness.

The right way to handle that is to start a .moderated group and become
the totalitarian dick you want to be.

Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.

/*
** "Quack!"
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> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1.DeleteThis@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Isla Nublar" <not.DeleteThis@this.net> wrote in message
> >news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
> >> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll. And you've hit
> >> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
> >> Ten years in usenet,

"In" usenet? Sort of like in "Tron"?

> >> and no one before you has been able to convince
> >> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
> >
> >Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.

I've noticed his personal zeal is particularly strong after he's had a go at
the rollmop herring.

> Back in September 2004 s/he posted a couple of messages that actually
> had CONTENT about space-sims.

De gustibus non est disputandum: even Homer nods.

> For quite some time before that, and
> since from what I can see, Lemming's posts are just sniping about
> netiquette with frequent forays into uncalled for nastiness.
>
> The right way to handle that is to start a .moderated group and become
> the totalitarian dick you want to be.
>
> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.

Here is the archive you requested:

http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html

> /*
> ** "Quack!"
> */

Your onomatopoeia is inpherior.

Bret
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:19:32 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.TakeThisOut@olywa.net>
wrote:

>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1.TakeThisOut@san.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Isla Nublar" <not.TakeThisOut@this.net> wrote in message
>> >news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
>> >> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll.

I've been called worse.

>> >>And you've hit
>> >> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
>> >> Ten years in usenet,

Ten years, by Kibo. That is a very long time to go without a clue.

>"In" usenet? Sort of like in "Tron"?
>
>> >> and no one before you has been able to convince
>> >> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
>> >
>> >Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.
>
>I've noticed his personal zeal is particularly strong after he's had a go at
>the rollmop herring.
>
>> Back in September 2004 s/he posted a couple of messages that actually
>> had CONTENT about space-sims.

I sincerely doubt that. I haven't posted anything about space-sims on
here since about September 1999. Not since I realised that space-sims
were off topic on this froup.

>De gustibus non est disputandum: even Homer nods.

Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.

>> For quite some time before that, and
>> since from what I can see, Lemming's posts are just sniping about
>> netiquette with frequent forays into uncalled for nastiness.

Uh, oh ... I've been googled.

>> The right way to handle that is to start a .moderated group and become
>> the totalitarian dick you want to be.

When your mommy said "you should say 'please' and 'thank-you'" did you
call her a totalitarian bitch-cow? When your teachers at school
suggested you write in ink rather than crayon, did you tell them they
will be first against the wall when the revolution comes? Do you
killfile everyone who points out your dismal lack of netiquette? If
so, your bit-bucket must be fuller than DKS's.

>> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.

I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.

>Here is the archive you requested:
>
>http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html

Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me. Where is Br d anyway?

>> /*
>> ** "Quack!"
>> */
>
>Your onomatopoeia is inpherior.

Since Ms. Nubbler has me killfiled, I can't read any of her posts, but
I do think the following link might be of use to her:

http://www.soft-land.org/cgi-bin/doc.pl?doc=documenti/welcome

Do you think she's getting a clue yet, after her whole ten days on -
sorry *in* - usenet?

Lemming AKA Rodent
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Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1.DeleteThis@san.rr.com>
wrote:

>
>"Isla Nublar" <not.DeleteThis@this.net> wrote in message
>news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:04:46 +0000, Lemming
>> <thiswillbounce.DeleteThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >Well, you got it half right. Maybe it's my fault: perhaps I should
>> >have also spelled out that it's also courteous not to add to the
>> >quoted text words which weren't originally there. Keep trying, you'll
>> >get it eventually.
>>
>> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll. And you've hit
>> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
>> Ten years in usenet, and no one before you has been able to convince
>> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
>
>Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.

Thanks, Bill. I needed that positive affirmation after being so
ineffectually flamed by someone whose been "in" usenet for ten whole
minutes. And counting.

Lemming
--
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:21:15 -0500, Isla Nublar <not.RemoveThis@this.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1.RemoveThis@san.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Isla Nublar" <not.RemoveThis@this.net> wrote in message
>>news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
>>> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll. And you've hit
>>> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
>>> Ten minutes in usenet, and no one before you has been able to convince
>>> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
>>
>>Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.
>
>Back in September 2004 I posted a couple of messages that actually
>had CONTENT about space-sims. For quite some time before that, I
>just posted complete drivel. But that's OK, since I don't have much
>of a clue, nobody minded. They all just ignored me, and that's the
>way I like it.

Don't be silly, we all know you only just got a computer. How could
you have been posting drivel since before 2004?

>What I want to do most is start a .moderated group and become the
>totalitarian dick I have always wanted to be, but unfortunately since
>I've only just arrived in usenet I don't have much of a clue how to
>go about it.
>
>I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.
>
>/*
>** "Quack!"
>*/

You could try this FAQ:

http://www.templetons.com/brad/emily.html

Seriously, I think you'll learn a lot from it.

Not really Lemming, honest
--
Are you getting a clue yet, Ms. Nubbler?
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:20:41 +0000, Not Lemming honest
<reallynot.TakeThisOut@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>You could try this FAQ:
>
>http://www.templetons.com/brad/emily.html
>
>Seriously, I think you'll learn a lot from it.
>
>Not really Lemming, honest
>--
>Are you getting a clue yet, Ms. Nubbler?


My my. look at the times on these. 7:09, 7:11, 7:20.

Something held your attention for a whole 11 minutes.

And 3 new aka's for the killfile, too.

Let's talk about Homeworld. You seem to know *something* about it, at
least.

Isla
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