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foresterjamie

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:50 am
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How does sonar work in relation to the chance of detecting a submarine.
It seems even when a dd is in the same sector as a sub, its sonar will
not always find it.

And if a first sonar ping failed to detect the sub, a followup ping in
the same sector never succeeds, so I get the feeling there is not
chance factor involved.

Am I right?

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Mr. Ed

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:28 am
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<foresterjamie DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote...
> How does sonar work in relation to the chance of detecting a submarine.
> It seems even when a dd is in the same sector as a sub, its sonar will
> not always find it.
>
> And if a first sonar ping failed to detect the sub, a followup ping in
> the same sector never succeeds, so I get the feeling there is not
> chance factor involved.
>
> Am I right?

I don't believe so. The ability to detect is based on the DD spy
rating, tech factor, efficiency and distance to sub.

At tech 100 for a 100% DD, this works out to be:

4 (DD spy) * .5 (tf = 100+50/100+200) * 100/200 (100% effic and half the
range of the ping) = 1

So under tech 100, a 100% DD can only detect subs in the same sector
as it. Over tech 100, a 100% DD can detect subs in adjacent (or more
sectors).

I think only plane (AS) sonar has a chance factor involved.

Mr. Ed

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foresterjamie

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:22 pm
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Mr. Ed wrote:
> I don't believe so. The ability to detect is based on the DD spy
> rating, tech factor, efficiency and distance to sub.
>
> At tech 100 for a 100% DD, this works out to be:
>
> 4 (DD spy) * .5 (tf = 100+50/100+200) * 100/200 (100% effic and half the
> range of the ping) = 1
>
> So under tech 100, a 100% DD can only detect subs in the same sector
> as it. Over tech 100, a 100% DD can detect subs in adjacent (or more
> sectors).

hmmm wouldnt it be nice for everyone to know this sort of stuff within
the game. After all, if you go to all the trouble and expense of
building a dd and equiping it with the latest sonar technology, it
would be nice to know how effective it actually is! I can just see the
defense minister being interviewed "Yeah we just spent 10 billion
acquiring some new dd's". Reporter; "How effective are they going to
be at detecting those pesky subs that keep sinking our ships?"
Minister "Well actually I've got no bloody idea... lets keep our
fingers crossed and just try them out and see what happens."

Perhaps "sb detect range" should be included in the show ship stats.

These types of things are some of the reasons why new players find it
so difficult to compete against the more experienced players on a level
playing field. Easy to point out the problems though!

- Jamie.
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Markus Armbruster

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:30 am
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:49 pm
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foresterjamie.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au wrote:

>
> hmmm wouldnt it be nice for everyone to know this sort of stuff within
> the game. After all, if you go to all the trouble and expense of
> building a dd and equiping it with the latest sonar technology, it
> would be nice to know how effective it actually is!
>
> - Jamie.

Thats the the beauty of Empire, by the time your good, not only will
you have the joy of savoring your first win, but you'll be able to
successfully market yourself as a programmer in the job market.
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Mr. Ed

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:10 pm
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"Manetheren" <mst_dont_spam_me.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote...
>
> Thats the the beauty of Empire, by the time your good, not only will
> you have the joy of savoring your first win, but you'll be able to
> successfully market yourself as a programmer in the job market.

In India...


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