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Briarroot

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:02 am
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Walter Mitty wrote:
>
> It strikes me that Mr Cecil is more perturbed that his list of "no nos"
> was encroached and so it never had a chance of a fair viewing from
> him. The levels were not too small. The AI was good enough. The lighting
> and sound created an ambience rarely matched.
>

Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...

I liked T3 better than T2, which in turn I liked better than T1. I also
happen to think T3 suffered from 'consolitis' but that didn't ruin it
for me, it just left me wishing it was even better than it was. That's
not necessarily a Bad Thing.

We ought to know by now, most of us being adults, that a game is never
"great" or "sucks" so much as our *reactions* to a game are positive or
negative. No matter how much any of us may hate a game, somebody
somewhere will probably love it; and vice-versa. Posts in gaming forums
which merely say "Game X sucks" or "Game X is great" have no influence
on my buying decisions because those are merely reactions from people
I've never met. If a game's content interests me, I'll track down
actual reviews. Don't you all do the same? So let's keep things in
perspective. If T3 failed to garner the greatest possible sales, I
don't think that's because of a few Usenet posts claiming it sucked.


Memnoch <memnoch.TakeThisOut@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> Just imagine how much better it could have been if they had decided not to do
> a console version. Or had decided not to just port it over and do a properly
> optimised and designed PC version.
>

Yeah, and I think the same thing about so *many* games these days! Sad




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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:47 pm
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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:31:31 -0600, Michael Cecil <macecil.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:49:39 +0100, Walter Mitty <mitticus.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Spalls Hurgenson <yoinks.TakeThisOut@ebalu.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0600, Michael Cecil <macecil.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:30:05 GMT, Memnoch
>>>><memnoch.TakeThisOut@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:23:03 -0600, Michael Cecil <macecil.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Why did Thief 3 never have the same level of fan support? Last time I checked
>>>>>it was a good couple of years after the game had been released and there were
>>>>>still only a handful of missions.
>>>>
>>>>It's because Thief 3 sucked. Other than the soundtrack, I mean.
>>>>
>>>>Respawning guards, no 3D sound engine, small zones, having zones at all,
>>>>npcs that adjust themselves so their heads properly meet the blackjack, a
>>>>blackjack that is just a hard club, lack of swimming, no rope arrows...
>>>>
>>>>Going from Thief 2 to Thief 3 is like going from The Lord of the Rings
>>>>novel to a bubblegum wrapper cartoon. Just because it is newer doesn't
>>>>make it better.
>>>
>>> I actually preferred Thief3 to the first two, but I'm in the minority.
>>
>>I'm with you. Most people I know who said "Thief 3 sucked" never
>>actually played it. They just went with the "common misconception".
>
>I played it. It sucked. That's not a misconception. It's a fact. Smile

No, it's an opinion. And we all know about those. Wink

>T3 was to T2 as DX2 was to DX.

Not quite as bad but I see your point. It could have been better.

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Walter Mitty

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:41 pm
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Briarroot <Briarroot RemoveThis @gmail.com> writes:

> Walter Mitty wrote:
>>
>> It strikes me that Mr Cecil is more perturbed that his list of "no nos"
>> was encroached and so it never had a chance of a fair viewing from
>> him. The levels were not too small. The AI was good enough. The lighting
>> and sound created an ambience rarely matched.
>>
>
> Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...
>
> I liked T3 better than T2, which in turn I liked better than T1. I
> also happen to think T3 suffered from 'consolitis' but that didn't
> ruin it for me, it just left me wishing it was even better than it
> was. That's not necessarily a Bad Thing.

Agreed.

>
> We ought to know by now, most of us being adults, that a game is never
> "great" or "sucks" so much as our *reactions* to a game are positive
> or negative. No matter how much any of us may hate a game, somebody
> somewhere will probably love it; and vice-versa. Posts in gaming
> forums which merely say "Game X sucks" or "Game X is great" have no
> influence on my buying decisions because those are merely reactions
> from people I've never met. If a game's content interests me, I'll

They do affect others though. The whole "sucks" thing is the resort of
the low brow anyway.

> track down actual reviews. Don't you all do the same? So let's keep
> things in perspective. If T3 failed to garner the greatest possible
> sales, I don't think that's because of a few Usenet posts claiming it
> sucked.

We will have to beg to differ on that one. It takes very little to damn
a game.

>
> Memnoch <memnoch RemoveThis @nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just imagine how much better it could have been if they had decided not to do
>> a console version. Or had decided not to just port it over and do a properly
>> optimised and designed PC version.
>>
>
> Yeah, and I think the same thing about so *many* games these days!
> Sad

Personally I enjoyed it for what it was and remain to be convinced about
its "consolitis".
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Trimble Bracegirdle

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:07 am
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I say one thing for the THIEF series they at least rang the changes
with major differences in style n design of the successive games.
Unlike e.g.. Splinter Cell & virtually all other series of games endlessly
repeating the formula..

I would be interested in a THIEF 4 while I can bearly bear to think of the
next Splinter Cell.
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i own a yacht

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:45 pm
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>> because of people like you I ignored the game.

and let's not forget this gem

http://groups.google.com.au/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action/browse_...ead/thr

> you'd need to be dumb to want to play this game.

this is what happens when you go through life with your head up your
ass.

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Werner Spahl

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:17 am
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On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Walter Mitty wrote:

> Memnoch <memnoch DeleteThis @nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> writes:
>
>> Just imagine how much better it could have been if they had decided not
>> to do a console version. Or had decided not to just port it over and
>> do a properly optimised and designed PC version.
>
> Well, to be honest, I can't. Well I can but I don't see the point.

I think this has a lot to do with expectations. For people who played T1
and T2 and then T3 immediately afterwards, T3 may have looked bad compared
to what they were expecting. The same happened to me with STALKER but if I
remember correctly, you Walter played T3 much later than T1 and T2...

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Walter Mitty

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:35 am
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Werner Spahl <spahl RemoveThis @cup.uni-muenchen.de> writes:

> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Walter Mitty wrote:
>
>> Memnoch <memnoch RemoveThis @nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> writes:
>>
>>> Just imagine how much better it could have been if they had decided
>>> not to do a console version. Or had decided not to just port it
>>> over and do a properly optimised and designed PC version.
>>
>> Well, to be honest, I can't. Well I can but I don't see the point.
>
> I think this has a lot to do with expectations. For people who played
> T1 and T2 and then T3 immediately afterwards, T3 may have looked bad
> compared to what they were expecting. The same happened to me with
> STALKER but if I remember correctly, you Walter played T3 much later
> than T1 and T2...

Yup. And because of the "it sucks" crowd, I didn't expect too much. I
think it's a classic to be honest - if only for the wonderful lighting
and ambiance.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:50 am
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801301502430.27184.RemoveThis@cicum1.cup.uni-
muenchen.de>, spahl.RemoveThis@cup.uni-muenchen.de says...
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, meatnub wrote:
>
> > The Thief series was great, replayed em too many times to replay
> > anymore.
>
> Try Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. It's a FPS/RPG but you can play
> it very sneaky!
>
VTM:BL is a *horrible* "sneaky" game. It is one of my favorite games
ever, and I love sneaking in games, but the stealth part is (or was last
time I played still) completely FUBAR. Unless one of your patches in
the last year or so radically redid stealth, it's still broken.

*Spoilers*

o Seemingly low levels of stealth (such as just turning it on) allow way
to much sneaking. I'm not counting Obsfucate, which allows
Invsibility/Inaudibility.

o Ravenloft...er, Hallowbrook -- no sneaking really possible, yet...
o Ventrue Towers -- a real walkthrough. Even the SWAT Team.

I rarely felt that I was actually stealthy -- either people knew I was
there but couldn't see me (which would break stealth goals for quests)
or I couldn't hide no matter what my skill level was.

--Alaric
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:36 am
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