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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:32 am
Post subject: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix !
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I enjoyed HL2, but I felt rushed through the game, and you couldn't
sneak/stealth your way through.
Stalker was fun, but it really wasnt much of a stealth game.
The Thief series was great, replayed em too many times to replay
anymore.
Splinter Cell series was fun.
Even FarCry was fun in the jungle at least, though the enemies
pinpointing where your gunfire came from was a bit much, and though
they never left the area once you got their attention , you could
still stealth around in the undergrwoth so that was enjoyable.
I really just enjoy these types because you can take your time,
there's no rush to finish the level, even though they are linear, to
me I prefer these types of games over run-n-gun FPS.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:23 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:54 pm
Post subject: Re: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> I really just enjoy these types because you can take your time,
> there's no rush to finish the level, even though they are linear, to
> me I prefer these types of games over run-n-gun FPS.
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> I hope more games come out like these in the future.
You haven't mentioned the Hitman series!! It's all about stealth, and
there are no time limits. Pick up Hitman2 for $5 somewhere and give it a
try (it is nominally a 3rdperson game, but has a fps mode also). There was
also another spy/jamesbond-type game that used the tribes? engine.
rms >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:12 pm
Post subject: Re: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:32:02 -0800 (PST), meatnub <meatnub DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>I enjoyed HL2, but I felt rushed through the game, and you couldn't
>sneak/stealth your way through.
>
>Stalker was fun, but it really wasnt much of a stealth game.
It could have been but they totally balsed up the AI so they would instantly
know where you were after you loaded a save game.
>The Thief series was great, replayed em too many times to replay
>anymore.
>
>Splinter Cell series was fun.
>
>Even FarCry was fun in the jungle at least, though the enemies
>pinpointing where your gunfire came from was a bit much, and though
>they never left the area once you got their attention , you could
>still stealth around in the undergrwoth so that was enjoyable.
>
>I really just enjoy these types because you can take your time,
>there's no rush to finish the level, even though they are linear, to
>me I prefer these types of games over run-n-gun FPS.
>
>I hope more games come out like these in the future. >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:49 pm
Post subject: Re: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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>>Stalker was fun, but it really wasnt much of a stealth game.
>
> It could have been but they totally balsed up the AI so they would
> instantly
> know where you were after you loaded a save game.
Come on, all you need to do is regard this as a 'savepoint' issue, and
schedule your saves for when you are outside of the various 'triggerpoints'.
This is *not* a dealbreaker by any means.
rms >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:30 am
Post subject: Re: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:23:03 -0600, Michael Cecil <macecil.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:32:02 -0800 (PST), meatnub <meatnub.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>The Thief series was great, replayed em too many times to replay
>>anymore.
>
>You played the 400+ good fan missions for Thief 2? Some of those are
>better than any of the original missions.
Why did Thief 3 never have the same level of fan support? Last time I checked
it was a good couple of years after the game had been released and there were
still only a handful of missions. >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:09 am
Post subject: Re: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"rms" wrote ...
>>>Stalker was fun, but it really wasnt much of a stealth game.
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>> It could have been but they totally balsed up the AI so they would
>> instantly
>> know where you were after you loaded a save game.
>
> Come on, all you need to do is regard this as a 'savepoint' issue, and
> schedule your saves for when you are outside of the various
> 'triggerpoints'. This is *not* a dealbreaker by any means.
Heh, I was going to make the same reply. Thats drawing a long bow trying to
find something to bitch about >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:09 am
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:09:25 +1300, "rob" <roball.TakeThisOut@xtranope.co.nz> wrote:
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>"rms" wrote ...
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>>>>Stalker was fun, but it really wasnt much of a stealth game.
>>>
>>> It could have been but they totally balsed up the AI so they would
>>> instantly
>>> know where you were after you loaded a save game.
>>
>> Come on, all you need to do is regard this as a 'savepoint' issue, and
>> schedule your saves for when you are outside of the various
>> 'triggerpoints'. This is *not* a dealbreaker by any means.
>
>Heh, I was going to make the same reply. Thats drawing a long bow trying to
>find something to bitch about
True I suppose but if you really want to play it that way, later on in the
game where there are large underground sections its almost impossible to save
far enough away from enemies to stop them detecting you. In the Sarcophagus
for instance I had Monolith troops firing at me that were two rooms away! I
guess my point is that even after multiple patches they still never managed to
squash this bug. I will be looking for a demo for the next game first I think
but from what I have read about the prequel it has promise. >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:09 am
Post subject: Re: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"rob" <roball DeleteThis @xtranope.co.nz> wrote in message news:fno4m6$d71$1@aioe.org...
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> "rms" wrote ...
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>>>>Stalker was fun, but it really wasnt much of a stealth game.
>>>
>>> It could have been but they totally balsed up the AI so they would
>>> instantly
>>> know where you were after you loaded a save game.
>>
>> Come on, all you need to do is regard this as a 'savepoint' issue, and
>> schedule your saves for when you are outside of the various
>> 'triggerpoints'. This is *not* a dealbreaker by any means.
>
> Heh, I was going to make the same reply. Thats drawing a long bow trying
> to find something to bitch about
The phrase "big time rationalization" comes to mind here.
If the game wants a savepoint mechanism, be upfront and implement a
savepoint mechanism. (And I don't think savepoint limitations are really
compatible with Thief-style stealthy gameplay.)
If the game offers a save anywhere feature, it should work correctly. Game
restores that "change history" do not engender trust. >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:00 pm
Post subject: Re: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2008-01-29, rms <rsquires DeleteThis @REMOVEflashMOO.net> wrote:
>> I really just enjoy these types because you can take your time,
>> there's no rush to finish the level, even though they are linear, to
>> me I prefer these types of games over run-n-gun FPS.
>>
>> I hope more games come out like these in the future.
>
> You haven't mentioned the Hitman series!! It's all about stealth, and
> there are no time limits. Pick up Hitman2 for $5 somewhere and give it a
> try (it is nominally a 3rdperson game, but has a fps mode also). There was
> also another spy/jamesbond-type game that used the tribes? engine.
Or download the Hitman series for free from Gametap.
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-Toby
Add the word afiduluminag to the subject to circumvent my email filters. >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:07 pm
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, meatnub wrote:
> The Thief series was great, replayed em too many times to replay
> anymore.
Try Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. It's a FPS/RPG but you can play
it very sneaky!
> Even FarCry was fun in the jungle at least, though the enemies
> pinpointing where your gunfire came from was a bit much
Have you tried Crysis yet? Anytime I get annoyed with fighting I
just turn on cloak mode and sneak through the worst parts  .
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"The meaning of my life is to make me crazy" Vorlonships >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:31 pm
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0600, Michael Cecil <macecil.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:30:05 GMT, Memnoch
><memnoch.TakeThisOut@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
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>>On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:23:03 -0600, Michael Cecil <macecil.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:32:02 -0800 (PST), meatnub <meatnub.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Thief series was great, replayed em too many times to replay
>>>>anymore.
>>>
>>>You played the 400+ good fan missions for Thief 2? Some of those are
>>>better than any of the original missions.
>>
>>Why did Thief 3 never have the same level of fan support? Last time I checked
>>it was a good couple of years after the game had been released and there were
>>still only a handful of missions.
>
>It's because Thief 3 sucked. Other than the soundtrack, I mean.
>
>Respawning guards, no 3D sound engine, small zones, having zones at all,
>npcs that adjust themselves so their heads properly meet the blackjack, a
>blackjack that is just a hard club, lack of swimming, no rope arrows...
>
>Going from Thief 2 to Thief 3 is like going from The Lord of the Rings
>novel to a bubblegum wrapper cartoon. Just because it is newer doesn't
>make it better.
Agree with most of that to be honest. But some of these could be sorted by the
level designer, respawning for one. I don't know what the limits are map size
but the small maps for the OC were because of its console heritage of course
but that doesn't necessarily mean that map designers would have to stick to
these limits. Not sure about the rest though. I don't remember ever having an
enemy lean his head into my "club". >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:04 pm
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:59:09 GMT, Spalls Hurgenson <yoinks.RemoveThis@ebalu.com>
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>I actually preferred Thief3 to the first two, but I'm in the minority.
>I never could get the hang of sneaking in first person; having the
>ability to use the third-person viewpoint is what made the game for
>me.
I liked Thief 3 for what it was, you can't beat 'the Shalebridge Cradle'
for atmosphere, although I still play all 3 over or with user mods every
now and again.
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<http://www.delphia.co.uk/>
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:14 am
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>>Respawning guards, no 3D sound engine, small zones, having zones at all,
>>npcs that adjust themselves so their heads properly meet the blackjack, a
>>blackjack that is just a hard club, lack of swimming, no rope arrows...
>>
>>Going from Thief 2 to Thief 3 is like going from The Lord of the Rings
>>novel to a bubblegum wrapper cartoon. Just because it is newer doesn't
>>make it better.
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> Agree with most of that to be honest. But some of these could be sorted by
> the
> level designer, respawning for one. I don't know what the limits are map
> size
> but the small maps for the OC were because of its console heritage of
> course
> but that doesn't necessarily mean that map designers would have to stick
> to
> these limits. Not sure about the rest though. I don't remember ever having
> an
> enemy lean his head into my "club".
The question isn't whether they can be worked around, it's what's the
incentive for doing so given that Thief 2 exists, doesn't have all the above
mentioned disadvangates as well as the disadvantage of having to learn a new
engine and editing toolset. >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:49 am
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Spalls Hurgenson <yoinks.RemoveThis@ebalu.com> writes:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0600, Michael Cecil <macecil.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:30:05 GMT, Memnoch
>><memnoch.RemoveThis@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
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>>>On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:23:03 -0600, Michael Cecil <macecil.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>Why did Thief 3 never have the same level of fan support? Last time I checked
>>>it was a good couple of years after the game had been released and there were
>>>still only a handful of missions.
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>>It's because Thief 3 sucked. Other than the soundtrack, I mean.
>>
>>Respawning guards, no 3D sound engine, small zones, having zones at all,
>>npcs that adjust themselves so their heads properly meet the blackjack, a
>>blackjack that is just a hard club, lack of swimming, no rope arrows...
>>
>>Going from Thief 2 to Thief 3 is like going from The Lord of the Rings
>>novel to a bubblegum wrapper cartoon. Just because it is newer doesn't
>>make it better.
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> I actually preferred Thief3 to the first two, but I'm in the minority.
I'm with you. Most people I know who said "Thief 3 sucked" never
actually played it. They just went with the "common misconception". >> Stay informed about: I need my sneaky/stealthy fix ! |
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