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Chuk Goodin

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:06 pm
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:20, Brandon Blackmoor <bblackmoor RemoveThis @blackgate.net> wrote:
>Chuk Goodin wrote:
>>
>> Is web based out of the question? Apparently Hero
> > Central has a fair few that might be open.
>
>I travel a lot, and although I can check email just about anywhere
>(thanks to Palm, Bluetooth, and T-Mobile), surfing the web is less
>convenient.
>
>I'll check it out though. Do you have URL for it?

www.herocentral.net

The site is run by one of the guys from the Hero Games website. It might
be picky on a PDA, though.


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Brandon Blackmoor

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:06 pm
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Chuk Goodin wrote:
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> The site is run by one of the guys from the Hero Games
> website. It might be picky on a PDA, though.

Yes, unfortunately so: the site can send email, but the mail it sends is
not standards compliant (which is to say, its format is wrong and will
not display correctly on many, perhaps even most, standards-compliant
email clients). I pointed this out to them, and it does not appear that
they will rectify the situation any time soon, if ever: it is apparent
that they do not even know what the relevant RFCs for email are, much
less why they should adhere to them. Dan Simon, he fellow who responded
to my email informing them of this, recommended that I avoid Hero
Central if such things were important to me.

More evidence that the world really is going to hell in a handbasket,
and that a meteor strike is what this planet really needs. The
coleopterans might do a better job with it.

bblackmoor
2004-06-14

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David Meadows

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:45 pm
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"Brandon Blackmoor" <bblackmoor.TakeThisOut@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> David Meadows wrote:
> >
> > If I could figure out *how* you run a pbem
> > game, I'd run one myself.
>
> It's a lot of work; much more than a face-to-face game, in my opinion. I
> have run more than a few (mostly successfully), and I don't think I'll
> run one again any time soon.

I imagine it would be more work than a face-to-face game, but there is
presumably the luxury of spreading that workload over an extended period,
rather than trying to do it all in a single three-hour game session. It's
something I've considered doing before (not necessarily champs, but
something) -- I love creating and running campaigns but can't fit another
"regular" game into my week. A pbem should allow me run something parallel
to my existing game, as long as turn deadlines weren't too insane.

But every time I toy with the idea, I hit a brick wall of mechanics that I
just can't figure how to make work.

One point I always stall on is I can't see how to sensibly run a combat when
a single round might have fifty discrete actions that have to be resolved,
in order, with one action resolution having to be communicated before the
next action can be chosen. How many months of real time does a combat take
to play? And if you start "compressing" combat in some way, it's no longer
Champions...

And the back-and-forth of a regular conversation between two characters is
even worse, and no amount of fiddling with rule mechanics is going to fix
that...

Obviously people do manage, but I really can't imagine how.


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Brandon Blackmoor

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:45 pm
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David Meadows wrote:
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> One point I always stall on is I can't see how to sensibly run a combat

You fudge a lot of it. You don't tell the players you are fudging it,
although of course they know -- it's a (as much as I despise the phrase,
it actually applies here) "suspension of disbelief" thing. But you
ignore the details when the details do not matter. Or, at least, when
you think they do not matter. Sometmes you'll be wrong, and have to
rewind a little and cover your ass, but that will happen less as time
goes on, and if you are gracious about it no one who has experience
playing in pbem games will complain.

You do keep track of rounds and who has acted in what round, but that's
mainly to keep the frequest posters from ovrwhelming the infrequent
posters. And you do roll dice (at least, I do), but I find it much
faster if the GM rolls dice for everyone and then tells them what they
rolled. The problem is that you have to make sure you know all the
character sheets inside and out, because if you are wrong about
something, it can really break the mood when you fix it. The alternative
is to only tell the players the results, and not the actual numbefrs
that were rolled, but then you will have to deal with people convinced
that you have overlooked something when events are not in their favor.
Pick your poison.

It also helps if you have people post not just their current action, but
also a contingent action based on what they expect the results of the
current action to be. "I shoot him, and if he goes down I fly away;
otherwise I keep shooting." That helps keep everyone in mind of the
state of the fight, and reduces the number of questions from Gail asking
what Bob is doing, and if he needs help (or whatever). Combat, oddly
enough, is not really as much trouble as you might think. It's time
consuming -- it may well take a week or two for one fight -- but as long
as the players post as frequently as they ought (at least once every
other day, and at least every day for the GM), it goes fairly smoothly.

The only rough spot is when you have one player who goes a week without
posting. How long do you wait before you say "Mighty Max holds his
phase", and move on? I am a softie, and tend to wait on that person for
too long, and the game suffers as a result. Live and learn.

I should point out that none of this is particularly unique to
Champions. I have run D&D pbems and a Risus pbem (Rough Magic), and they
both worked very much the same way.

> And the back-and-forth of a regular conversation between
> two characters is even worse, and no amount of fiddling
> with rule mechanics is going to fix that...

This, alas, is true. Thre really isn't much you can do about it. The
best you can is step in and steamroll things ahead when it's obvious
that the players are not saying anything new. Like if they are
discussion whether to head to the mountains now or spend the night at
the inn -- that conversation could go on forever, and some players will
let it. You have to take decisive action and say, "okay, the group
decides to do this, and night passes".

Of course, then you'll always get the one ambitious soul who wants to go
off on a solo adventure while everyone else is asleep. You have two
coices: let them, or explain to them that the reality of a pbem, game
means that if you were to run them on their solo jaunt, that the rest of
the players would be sleeping for the next month. The best thing to do
in such a situation is -- that's right -- fudge it. Ask the player
straight up what they want their character to accomplish while everyone
else is alseep: have them name a goal, simply and succinctly. Then you
roll dice, tell them what happened, and morning comes and you move on
with the game.

> Obviously people do manage, but I really can't imagine how.

Like anything, it gets easier with experience, but even after having
done it a few times adf mostly doing it successfully, I make tons of
mistakes. So you can't beat yourself up over it. You do the best you
can, and plow ahead.

bblackmoor
2004-06-15
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Brandon Blackmoor

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:12 pm
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After trying (and failing) to find a Champions 5 PBEM, it occurred to me
that potential pbem players far outnumber pbem GMs. One reason is that
many who would like to run a pbem game do not know how to start. With
that in mind, I started a thread on the Hero Games site to share my own
experiences as a pbem GM and player:

http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18287

If you have experience as a pbem GM, stop by and share your wisdom. Smile

bblackmoor
2004-06-15
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David Meadows

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:47 pm
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"Brandon Blackmoor" <bblackmoor RemoveThis @blackgate.net> wrote in message
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[lots of advice]

Thanks for that, some very interesting tips. If I was to run a pbem, I'm not
sure that Champions wouldn't be the rules I would choose. I think something
with a more streamlined combat system would work better.

Well, it's still something I want to do but not something I want to jump
into without more thought.


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