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Since: Jul 20, 2006
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:16 pm
Post subject: roguelike hosting
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Hi all. I am in the process of moving my development work on roguelike
restorations off of roguelike.sourceforge.net (they are just getting
more and more unreliable). I obtained a domain name of 'roguelike.us'.
Not ideal, but it was what was available. I also picked a hosting
company, its not ideal but it seems sufficient to my needs (most
weren't).
I have a pretty generous package, i can host unlimited websites and I
can create unlimited subdomains off my primary domain. It comes with
phpbb forums, blog software and I added a Subversion server and Trac
project management server (includes small wiki). I can add about
anything I want with a few limits and as long as resource consumption
doesn't get too high. Neither of which should be an issue with
roguelike development/support.
The upshot being, that if anyone was interested I could probably host
their roguelike project and provide a domain name like
"yourproject.roguelike.us" and give you web space, subversion project,
maybe trac and forums and blog. I haven't set this up yet for multiple
projects and I am just diddling with the service at this point. But I
thought I would check if there would be any interest.
My only concern is that by providing this service I would loose freedom
to muck with the server software on the site. But if I don't rush into
things I should be able to stabalize what I want to be able to do
before accepting any other projects.
Mostly I wouldn't be inclined to charge for anything unless you needed
me to do custom work. I do have to pay a bit for this, so maybe I will
setup paypal donations to try and recover the modest cost. $10 here and
there would help.
And it doesn't have to be a roguelike development project, anything
roguelike related would probably be fair game.
If any of this interests anyone just send me email at
yendor.RemoveThis@roguelike.us and we can discuss what you are interested in doing
and I'll see whether it is anything I can set up.
I figured if I was going to the expense of doing this for myself
perhaps I could make it of use to some others. I will make an
announcement here when the roguelike restoration project actually
moves, then you will be able to get an idea of what the site services
will look like. I may be a few days to a few weeks from this. There is
a lot of stuff to mess around with and I am still downloading and
compiling and installing new services to see how well they work and
what i like and don't like. The hosting company's provided software is
a little dated, but so far it hasn't been too difficult to do my own
builds and get them running.
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Since: Jul 21, 2006
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:28 am
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Well, in general i'd be interested in it, but until now I never had
problems with SourceForge and I think the audience there is slightly
greater than on own websites... Anyway, the domain roguelike.us sounds
really good...
> And it doesn't have to be a roguelike development project, anything
> roguelike related would probably be fair game.
Hmm... How about an online magazine?
General topic: the role of textbased games in our 3D-world for gamers
and developers. Not only roguelikes would be discussed, also MUDs and
offline-text-RPGs. If I was the editor of such a magazine, it's
approach would be both entertaining and scientific.
What do you think about it?
Mario |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:32 am
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I also put in the paperwork for rogueforge.net actually, not sure if
its gone through yet.
But yeah, I wasn't sure there would be any real interest. But if I gave
it some value add features I thought it might provoke some interest
(blogs, forums, wiki, subversion, trac, e-mail, mailing lists). If it
doesn't, thats cool too. The main purpose is to host my roguelike
restoration work, anything else is just bonus. I'd like to have an SSL
certificate too, but thats more money than I want to spend... at least
for a domain wide wildcard certificate. In the meantime I'll use
self-signed certificates for any secure https connections I want (for
subversion mainly and for obscure reasons) and probably buy a cheapy
for my own site (i think godaddy is giving away free ones to open
source projects). One problem I have is that each of my value add
features has its own user database/login procedure which means people
would have to register accounts in each program. So i am messing with
having an LDAP server integrate it all, but I am not sure how
interoperable it will be. I think all the programs I use have ldap
plugins. We'll see. >> Stay informed about: roguelike hosting |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:55 am
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At Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:09:14 +0200,
Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> Yendor napisał(a):
>> Hi all. I am in the process of moving my development work on roguelike
>> restorations off of roguelike.sourceforge.net (they are just getting
>> more and more unreliable). I obtained a domain name of 'roguelike.us'.
>> Not ideal, but it was what was available. I also picked a hosting
>> company, its not ideal but it seems sufficient to my needs (most
>> weren't).
> Yeah, but there doesn't seem a market for this  . I offered free
> hosting on chaosforge.org, and no one was interested ^^.
Seems that one need to have something to show first 
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Since: Nov 03, 2005
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:18 am
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> The upshot being, that if anyone was interested I could probably host
> their roguelike project and provide a domain name like
> "yourproject.roguelike.us" and give you web space, subversion project,
> maybe trac and forums and blog. I haven't set this up yet for multiple
> projects and I am just diddling with the service at this point. But I
> thought I would check if there would be any interest.
That sounds like a really good idea. It would be kind of nice to have
a central roguelike page. Maybe we could have mirrors for games like
ADOM and Angband as well.
As far as interest goes, there's a lot of it coming from me =). I'll
definitely look into it once my roguelike is good enough to have a site
about.
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Since: Apr 28, 2005
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:09 am
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Yendor napisaĆ(a):
> Hi all. I am in the process of moving my development work on roguelike
> restorations off of roguelike.sourceforge.net (they are just getting
> more and more unreliable). I obtained a domain name of 'roguelike.us'.
> Not ideal, but it was what was available. I also picked a hosting
> company, its not ideal but it seems sufficient to my needs (most
> weren't).
Yeah, but there doesn't seem a market for this . I offered free
hosting on chaosforge.org, and no one was interested ^^.
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At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (adminATchaosforge.org) [http://chaosforge.org]
"The name of GenRogue, has become a warning against excessively
complex design." -- RGRD FAQ >> Stay informed about: roguelike hosting |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:17 am
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Radomir 'The Sheep' Dopieralski napisał(a):
> At Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:09:14 +0200,
> Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
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>> Yendor napisał(a):
>>> Hi all. I am in the process of moving my development work on roguelike
>>> restorations off of roguelike.sourceforge.net (they are just getting
>>> more and more unreliable). I obtained a domain name of 'roguelike.us'.
>>> Not ideal, but it was what was available. I also picked a hosting
>>> company, its not ideal but it seems sufficient to my needs (most
>>> weren't).
>> Yeah, but there doesn't seem a market for this . I offered free
>> hosting on chaosforge.org, and no one was interested ^^.
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> Seems that one need to have something to show first
Buah, what do you mean by that? ^_^
BTW, I had this idea of rogueforge.net . With dedicated software of
course  .
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Kornel Kisielewicz (adminATchaosforge.org) [http://chaosforge.org]
Carceri -- A prelude to GenRogue... Coming Soon >> Stay informed about: roguelike hosting |
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Since: Jul 02, 2006
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:45 pm
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> The upshot being, that if anyone was interested I could probably host
> their roguelike project and provide a domain name like
> "yourproject.roguelike.us" and give you web space, subversion project,
> maybe trac and forums and blog. I haven't set this up yet for multiple
> projects and I am just diddling with the service at this point. But I
> thought I would check if there would be any interest.
I don't want to discourage you, but we already have for example the
newsgroup and the roguelike wiki for central project related
information. But in fact there is not hosting offer like this apart
from sourceforge.
So if you really find several projects to host, make a similar
interface on each project site including news, wiki and bug report/
feature request function. Additionally make a global online magazine
for news, reviews, etc.. That would make it really interesting, but you
would have to spend some time on it as well. So I don't know if this is
still in the scope of what you want to do. >> Stay informed about: roguelike hosting |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:21 pm
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> I don't want to discourage you, but we already have for example the
> newsgroup
incidentally i am going to try and install a phpBB gateway to the rogue
newsgroups. maybe. well it seemed like an interesting idea. i found the
software and dug up a source for a free newsfeed.
> and the roguelike wiki for central project related information.
which i understand there is some administrative difficulties with.
would be happy to provide hosting space and technical support for this
as well.
> But in fact there is not hosting offer like this apart
> from sourceforge.
> So if you really find several projects to host, make a similar
> interface on each project site including news, wiki and bug report/
> feature request function.
This is what I am doing in moving my roguelike restoration project
from roguelike.sourceforge to my own host. i am using subversion for
source revision control, and trac for project management (bug tracking,
etc). trac includes a wiki but i can support a seperate one. i also
have phpBB for forums and wordpress for a blog, etc, etc. so if i have
to install it once for myself i think i can generate a template for
others to pick and choose what features they want. if no one wants to
use it thats hunky dory with me, as its still the backend of everything
I want to do for myself.
> Additionally make a global online magazine
> for news, reviews, etc.. That would make it really interesting, but you
> would have to spend some time on it as well. So I don't know if this is
> still in the scope of what you want to do.
well its up to the community to build content. all i am going to care
about is filling in my own project, which is big enough to take all my
spare time as it is.
we shall see. i am still working on some technical glitches, my hosting
service seems a little slow to get my new domain and subdomain requests
going. and i have a ton of software configuration to do and some
integration work to attempt.
its all good experience as a lot of it is the same backend support for
the software development i do at my new job so it is a good to get
familiar with the internals of how everything works rather than just
being an enduser. so it serves multiple purposes.
if no one in the community cares to use it... well, more for me i guess
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:02 pm
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> the roguelike wiki
This could be a great source, but there is so much unfinished... and no
"register"-button for users who want to help...
> Additionally make a global online magazine
> for news, reviews, etc.. That would make it really interesting, but you
> would have to spend some time on it as well. So I don't know if this is
> still in the scope of what you want to do.
At least a magazine already exists on the server:
http://roguelike.us/magazine
I am very motivated to make this to a good and interesting source for
roguelike news, articles, reviews etc. Anyway it would be great if
others would contribute, too.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:20 pm
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> I think your offer is great, but right now we lack the human resources
> to start anything like this.
I don't think that we don't have anybody who would care about it... at
least some passive, only consuming interest of the community would be
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:55 pm
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At 21 Jul 2006 18:21:45 -0700,
Yendor wrote:
> well its up to the community to build content. all i am going to care
> about is filling in my own project, which is big enough to take all my
> spare time as it is.
It's not going to work without someone with an idea and will to do it.
And we all tend to lack spare time .
I think your offer is great, but right now we lack the human resources
to start anything like this.
> its all good experience as a lot of it is the same backend support for
> the software development i do at my new job so it is a good to get
> familiar with the internals of how everything works rather than just
> being an enduser. so it serves multiple purposes.
> if no one in the community cares to use it... well, more for me i guess
>
Good luck in your new job!
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:40 am
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Mario Donick wrote:
> At least a magazine already exists on the server:
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> http://roguelike.us/magazine
That's cool. Actually a very good interview and a review of
FrozenDepths are already there. Now I must say this looks promising! I
imagine articles about current roguelikes with some screenshots could
be an addition to text-only discussions in the newsgroups. The project
shall not replace another site, but may be a 'variant' in the scene. >> Stay informed about: roguelike hosting |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:09 am
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> That's cool. Actually a very good interview and a review of
> FrozenDepths are already there. Now I must say this looks promising!
> I imagine articles about current roguelikes with some screenshots could
> be an addition to text-only discussions in the newsgroups.
Thank you for your words. Your post really encourages me. >> Stay informed about: roguelike hosting |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:55 am
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Yendor wrote:
[snip hosting offer]
I would have been interested if I had a project to release Right now
I have one old project (last release 2 years ago), and my new project
definitely won't be released till summer (which is December-February
here) - if at all. I guess I might ask around on this group for hosting
then
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