rogue is the most difficult character to level....

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:37:39 -0000, Smid <smidscot RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 29, 6:16 pm, Babe Bridou <babebri... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 29 oct, 16:31, Smid <smids... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I got the impression, backed up from another rogue who had been 60 for
>> > a few years, that rogues were nerfed heavily back around December last
>> > year. I was levelling one at the time, and all of a sudden all the
>> > mobs were much harder. It came around the talent tree rebuild...
>>
>> > Warlocks are reported to be easy now, by the sounds of things that has
>> > changed then.... Mines hasn't hit 10 yet...
>>
>> It wasn't so much the talent trees as the nasty debuffs, bleed
>> effects, poisons, diseases and other "spikes" (damage dealt to melee
>> attackers, high damage instant spells, etc) that outland mobs were
>> given. I think.
>
>While it seemed as if 3/4s of the mobs in Outlands were anti rogue
>(can't be sapped, no poisons, 2 minute dot poisons), this nerf was
>noticed around level 54 all the way to 60.
>
>I was grinding along, killing equal to +2 mobs ok. Patch. Got owned by
>equal level mobs. Realised talent points reset, attempted to reproduce
>the same build again (hybrid), could kill equal level mobs, just,
>might might have to pop evasion to do it...
>
>I didn't stun, this was pure instant poisoned Ambush, SSx5, evis...
>
>I stalled again at 62 again, then I went mutilate / stuns and enjoyed
>the character again...

Yep. Things were tougher, and you couldn't just stand there anymore
picking your nose and spamming SS/Evis while watching TV with one eye,
and expect the mobs to fall over while you barely lost 5% health, if
that. Rogues are about stuns and other skills that keep you from
getting hit, that is why they were given gouge, cheap shot, kidney
shot, blind, evasion, ghostly strike, multiple talents that build up
your dodge and parry, etc. And of course, once you get Cloak of
Shadows at lvl 67, most DoT's become moot. You just have to actually
work and use all your rogues skills until you get there As for
being 'nerfed', I don't know about that- I'd say they were improved,
actually. They still kick major ass if played right and geared up
decently, you just can't stand in front of a mob with impunity and
beat them down as if you were a full-plate warrior or something,
without taking significant damage in the process. Which is as it
should be, IMO.

On Nov 1, 3:12 pm, Moosen <nos... RemoveThis @buhbye.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:37:39 -0000, Smid <smids... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 29, 6:16 pm, Babe Bridou <babebri... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 29 oct, 16:31, Smid <smids... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I got the impression, backed up from another rogue who had been 60 for
> >> > a few years, that rogues were nerfed heavily back around December last
> >> > year. I was levelling one at the time, and all of a sudden all the
> >> > mobs were much harder. It came around the talent tree rebuild...
>
> >> > Warlocks are reported to be easy now, by the sounds of things that has
> >> > changed then.... Mines hasn't hit 10 yet...
>
> >> It wasn't so much the talent trees as the nasty debuffs, bleed
> >> effects, poisons, diseases and other "spikes" (damage dealt to melee
> >> attackers, high damage instant spells, etc) that outland mobs were
> >> given. I think.
>
> >While it seemed as if 3/4s of the mobs in Outlands were anti rogue
> >(can't be sapped, no poisons, 2 minute dot poisons), this nerf was
> >noticed around level 54 all the way to 60.
>
> >I was grinding along, killing equal to +2 mobs ok. Patch. Got owned by
> >equal level mobs. Realised talent points reset, attempted to reproduce
> >the same build again (hybrid), could kill equal level mobs, just,
> >might might have to pop evasion to do it...
>
> >I didn't stun, this was pure instant poisoned Ambush, SSx5, evis...
>
> >I stalled again at 62 again, then I went mutilate / stuns and enjoyed
> >the character again...
>
> Yep. Things were tougher, and you couldn't just stand there anymore
> picking your nose and spamming SS/Evis while watching TV with one eye,
> and expect the mobs to fall over while you barely lost 5% health, if
> that. Rogues are about stuns and other skills that keep you from
> getting hit, that is why they were given gouge, cheap shot, kidney
> shot, blind, evasion, ghostly strike, multiple talents that build up
> your dodge and parry, etc. And of course, once you get Cloak of
> Shadows at lvl 67, most DoT's become moot. You just have to actually
> work and use all your rogues skills until you get there As for
> being 'nerfed', I don't know about that- I'd say they were improved,
> actually. They still kick major ass if played right and geared up
> decently, you just can't stand in front of a mob with impunity and
> beat them down as if you were a full-plate warrior or something,
> without taking significant damage in the process. Which is as it
> should be, IMO.

Of course.

We shall all the play the characters the way you play.

There's only one true class.

And one true spec for that class.

Thus it is in your opinion.

Which we must obey.

In reality, the situation I was talking about is a level 52 Rogue vs a
level 52 melee mob, solo, one on one.

Pre patch. Ambush, SS + Evis, Mob dead, you are at 50% health.

Doing what a rogue does, burst dmg to a kill a single non elite mob
down before it can dmg you over a longer fight. No evasion popped. No
Preparation popped, but perhaps Cold Blood.

Post patch. Same setup. Evasion popped. Cold Blood Popped. Health
15%.

Of course you won't be interested in that, you've just taken someones
post and turned it in a L2PLAY whine.

Some people...

Smid