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Since: May 04, 2005 Posts: 670
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(Msg. 61) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:47 am
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Noon ytrede sig i <4r0uh3pe0b14vllmvk3vujhofncpilmmt0 RemoveThis @4ax.com> med
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>On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:58:30 +0100, Catriona R
><catrionarNOSPAM RemoveThis @totalise.co.uk> wrote:
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>>On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:44:13 -0000, pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
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>>>Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM RemoveThis @totalise.co.uk> writes:
>>>>Hmm? When did you level your warlock? My lvl 70 was easy all the way from
>>>>1-70, and my currently lvl 25 is easy as well... did you level yours before
>>>>some change or other that might've made it easier?
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>>>Possibly, I turned 60 in early 2006.
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>>>>Warlocks are easier than rogue to level, though I wouldn't say rogue is
>>>>hard to level as such.
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>>>Weird. Certainly the new trees changed things quite a bit, but having
>>>recently leveled a rogue to 70 on a spare time basis in less than 18 days
>>>/played, I would say it was the easiest levelup I've ever done. With a
>>>little care you can do quests solo that other classes can't even get
>>>anywhere near without 10 minutes of clearing. Especially with Preparation
>>>so you can evasion tank twice.
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>>Well I found it pretty easy, yeah, but warlock is the easiest, for sure.
>>Rogue is pretty gear-dependent; if you've got lots of good gear it's dead
>>easy, if you don't, you struggle at times till you gear up (and I
>>experienced that in 60-70 as well, so that's not changed much in the time
>>since I first levelled to 60) Most of the way it's easy, I agree, but
>>warlock is easy all the time. Maybe it's harder with other specs; I was
>>affliction all the way...
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>Out of interest I looked up the cost of levelling the various classes
>on a site that keeps advertising while I'm playing. The price for 1-60
>was the same for each class, bar 2 - hunter and rogue, which were both
>cheaper.
Must be for training the char. only, Hunters need ammo too.
Blizzard did some changes to the leveling/training cost, to make it very
even for all classes. Locks used to be very expencive, because training
the char. would cost the same as for a Warrior, but in addition they had
to buy training for their demons. Hunter and Rogue was compensated for
the cost of poison and ammo.
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"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
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Since: Oct 19, 2007 Posts: 33
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(Msg. 62) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:52 am
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steve.kaye <nospam.TakeThisOut@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
> The best thing about levelling a feral druid is that there is no
> stopping to get health or mana back. You use energy or rage to kill
> and when you are hurt you use your mana to pop a heal and carry on
> straight away. By the time you need to heal again your mana is full.
> It takes a really tough fight to make you stop to eat/drink/bandage
> (in fact, I very rarely bandage, don't even carry food and only look
> to replace my water when I get less than 10 left)
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> I reckon that I could get a feral druid to 70 faster than any other
> class.
Again, I didn't have a 60 paladin when the expansion hit, but I did
my rogue and hunter faster than the druid. Hunters (BM) are the fastest
to 60-70, no question.
> It has the rogue's advantage of stealthing to objectives to
> solo quests other classes can't. (with vanish there will be things
> that a rogue can do that a druid can't but with healing there will be
> things that a druid can do that a rogue can't)
I'm not 100% sure I agree. I think a rogue's DPS doesn't make up for
the druid's healing. The advantage a rogue has is he can SURVIVE any
fight he wants, even if he doesn't win. A druid has to play smarter
to win and doesn't have Vanish as a reset button. >> Stay informed about: rogue is the most difficult character to level.... |
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Since: Apr 10, 2007 Posts: 928
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(Msg. 63) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:03 pm
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"Yoink" <postmaster RemoveThis @magiclemurs.com> wrote in message
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> lcpltom <lcpltom RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I think what really turns people off to druids is the 1-20 leveling.
> ...
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>> Then you get to level 20 and they just hand you cat form without
>> asking to go talk to some ancient cat spirit or kill some difficult
>> mob, they just give it to you and suddenly you have yet a 3rd form to
>> try and learn to use. It might make killing mobs faster but this is
>> the 3rd learning curve for 1 class. Not to mention all the best cat
>> abilities and talents come further along, in the mid 20's, so 20 to
>> around 26 is yet a 3rd learning nightmare.
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> I thought and still think 1-20th level priests and druids are the worst
> classes in the game. I never died more and had more problems killing mobs
> than with those two classes.
Oh! For me it was mage. I had a much easier time with my priest &
mage--but that was probably because I could self-heal.
TBH, I think rogues up until they get poison (20?) are not that easy. I
just started one on my new server, and had forgotten how miserable it is to
be able to sap but not have poisons to DoT.
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Since: Jun 01, 2007 Posts: 609
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:26 pm
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On Oct 24, 11:16 am, Majestick <xuldi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> well if spending half your time eating or bandaging sounds fun, then
> yeah its an easy class.
Hmm, I only rarely use bandages on my rogue, and never
kept around food. At lower levels you just heal fast
enough that you don't need them. Against single mobs
you never take enough damage to really worry. Two
mobs at a time are easy; sap one then kill the other.
Three mobs gets tricky; sap one, kill one, and soak
up damage from the third. Ambush and other big
openers really helps, so that you can kill your first
mob very very quickly. If there are just too many
intervening guards to deal with, sneak past them
(the loss of xp is miniscule compared to the quest
xp, and if you really must have that xp then go kill
some random mob instead).
I think my rogue levelled very quickly from 1-40.
Only hunter was easier I think (at least in that
level range), maybe the druid later on. But the
rogue was definately one of the most fun classes.
I used daggers and assassination. It was kind
of hard to run across really great daggers when
I was new to the game, but it wasn't really that
important (unlike a warrior who relies on
white weapon damage for rage). I was even using
the hypnotic dagger at one point even though it was
meant for spell casters. But even with average
weapons from drops only I was killing enemies faster
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Since: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 4636
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:48 pm
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:50:04 -0000, PhilHibbs <snarks.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 24 Oct, 10:47, ASKF <nos....TakeThisOut@askf.dk> wrote:
>> Blizzard did some changes to the leveling/training cost, to make it very
>> even for all classes. Locks used to be very expencive, because training
>> the char. would cost the same as for a Warrior, but in addition they had
>> to buy training for their demons. Hunter and Rogue was compensated for
>> the cost of poison and ammo.
>
>And DAMN those books are annoying. How do you work out exactly which
>books you've already bought and used? If I go for a few levels without
>visiting the trainer, it takes me ages to pick through the books, I
>think you only get the "already known" if you have the appropriate
>demon summoned, is that right? So you have to summon imp, look through
>the imp books, summon void, look through void books...
I got an addon called GrimoireKeeper thatn colours each book blue when you
already know it - makes it much much easier to find out what I've not
learned yet.
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Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 70)
Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 70)
Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 62)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 53)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 53)
Cathach - Gnome Warrior (lvl 30)
Eilnich - Blood Elf Warlock (lvl 25) >> Stay informed about: rogue is the most difficult character to level.... |
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Since: Oct 19, 2007 Posts: 33
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:55 pm
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Xymmie <xymmie.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> TBH, I think rogues up until they get poison (20?) are not that easy. I
> just started one on my new server, and had forgotten how miserable it is to
> be able to sap but not have poisons to DoT.
You guys must have had really bad talent builds. I can't imagine how you
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Since: Feb 14, 2006 Posts: 562
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(Msg. 67) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:11 pm
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Babe Bridou <babebridou.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It's kind of like blinding powder, I can see 70s getting sick of the
>reagent, but damn, I only went dangerously low on them (less than 20)
>when I took a lengthy PVP break at 49 (48 to be precise).
Blinding power isn't a problem at L70 - 10 minutes sneaking around
pickpocketting the orcs etc in the bone waste south of Shattrath
will net you 30-40 blinding powder from junkboxes and that's plenty
for a day's PvP. I won't complain about them removing the reagent
for Blind in 2.3, but it hasn't been a big issue for me. It's more
of an issue below L40 since you only start getting it in junkboxes
on L42+ mobs.
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(Msg. 68) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:11 pm
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Since: Sep 25, 2007 Posts: 20
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(Msg. 69) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:14 pm
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Don't get me wrong, I do love playing my rogue, but I didn't really
like 1-20. Now that I am 26 and I have vanish (and poisons) I can be a
bit more reckless and attack 2-3 mobs more frequently. Now I usually
don't have as much trouble if I sap 1 mob and a random mob wanders in
while I kill off someone. I sprint and vanish as needed, but I really
didn't like the earlier levels.
I have a Druid that tried to go balance but I realized thats not a
spec to begin with, theres just no "umph" with it. But I played feral
(cat) before I played rogue so I didnt know what to expect. >> Stay informed about: rogue is the most difficult character to level.... |
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Since: Apr 10, 2007 Posts: 928
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(Msg. 70) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:24 pm
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"Yoink" <postmaster.RemoveThis@magiclemurs.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not 100% sure I agree. I think a rogue's DPS doesn't make up for
> the druid's healing. The advantage a rogue has is he can SURVIVE any
> fight he wants, even if he doesn't win. A druid has to play smarter
> to win and doesn't have Vanish as a reset button.
Rogues can't blind or vanish until after they get poisons. They don't get
the poison quest until L20. I think you're not remembering those first 20
levels very clearly.
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(Msg. 71) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:38 pm
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"Xymmie" <xymmie.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Yoink" <postmaster.RemoveThis@magiclemurs.com> wrote in message
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>> I'm not 100% sure I agree. I think a rogue's DPS doesn't make up for
>> the druid's healing. The advantage a rogue has is he can SURVIVE any
>> fight he wants, even if he doesn't win. A druid has to play smarter
>> to win and doesn't have Vanish as a reset button.
>
> Rogues can't blind or vanish until after they get poisons. They don't get
> the poison quest until L20. I think you're not remembering those first 20
> levels very clearly.
>
To further this, because I just looked it up: Rogues get Vanish at L22, and
Blind at L34. Those help fight survival to a huge degree. Low level
rogues, ***regardless of build***, don't always survive "any fight".
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(Msg. 72) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:49 pm
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pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>kerri@spamsucks.com writes:
>>.. and warlock is the easiest.
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>My ass. Rogues are by far the easiest class to level, and warlocks are
>pathetic well into their upper 30s.*
Rogues certainly aren't hard, but I'd put the hunter as by far the
easiest.  Certainly easier than the rogue - faster kills, much
less downtime and able to take on much higher level mobs.
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(Msg. 73) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:49 pm
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Dan wrote:
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> pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
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> >kerri@spamsucks.com writes:
> >>.. and warlock is the easiest.
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> >My ass. Rogues are by far the easiest class to level, and warlocks are
> >pathetic well into their upper 30s.*
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> Rogues certainly aren't hard, but I'd put the hunter as by far the
> easiest. Certainly easier than the rogue - faster kills, much
> less downtime and able to take on much higher level mobs.
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> Dan
In my limited experience, Hunters are the easiest and Warlocks are
second (due to being more complicated to run). They are the top tier for
soloing. A pet class will always be easier to solo with.
I'd put Mages, Rogues, and Hedgehog Pallies in second tier. Shamans are
slightly lower.
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(Msg. 74) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:43 pm
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Xymmie <xymmie RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> "Yoink" <postmaster RemoveThis @magiclemurs.com> wrote in message
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> > I'm not 100% sure I agree. I think a rogue's DPS doesn't make up for
> > the druid's healing. The advantage a rogue has is he can SURVIVE any
> > fight he wants, even if he doesn't win. A druid has to play smarter
> > to win and doesn't have Vanish as a reset button.
>
> Rogues can't blind or vanish until after they get poisons. They don't get
> the poison quest until L20. I think you're not remembering those first 20
> levels very clearly.
Since vanish (and cat form) was mentioned in the specific part I was
replying to (you cut it out) one can assume that part of the conversation
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(Msg. 75) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:45 pm
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Xymmie <xymmie DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> To further this, because I just looked it up: Rogues get Vanish at L22, and
> Blind at L34. Those help fight survival to a huge degree. Low level
> rogues, ***regardless of build***, don't always survive "any fight".
Always is almost always an overstatement.
And re-read what I was replying to:
> It has the rogue's advantage of stealthing to objectives to
> solo quests other classes can't. (with vanish there will be things
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> that a rogue can do that a druid can't but with healing there will be
> things that a druid can do that a rogue can't)
The original post brought up Vanish, I was responding in context,
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