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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:40 am
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On 23 Okt., 10:22, Babe Bridou <babebri... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 23 oct, 00:04, Aboo <jhemph... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Oct 22, 9:16 am, Babe Bridou <babebri... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Maces forever 
> > > Once you get your first mace stun interrupting a spellcast when both
> > > gouge, kick, and kidney shot aren't ready, you never turn back. It's
> > > great to be able to use rupture, garrote and deadly poison liberally.
>
> > > Only problem is that there are only a half-handful maces available
> > > between 61 and 70.
> > > I actually had to respec daggers at 64 - can't wait to respec back!
>
> > I actually leveled with fist weapons and a Hemo build. The Demonblood
> > Eviscerator is the coolest looking weapon I've seen so far. (Drops
> > off the final boss in Shattered Halls).
>
> > I went maces after I started getting PUMMELED in arenas and
> > battlegrounds and world PvP by Mace wielding rogues. Figured, if you
> > can't beat em, join em! I immediately realized that there are no good
> > maces for us, anywhere!  They all have +Int, +Healing, etc.. on
> > them. So I broke down and spent all my arena points on the Off-
> > hand mace from the second season and settled down to wait for a respec
> > until I found a suitable main-hand. Shortly after I found a decent
> > one with +46 attack power and some stamina and switched.... Holy cow.
> > I love stuns!!!
>
> > Just a day or so ago I was helping a friend run Shadow Labs and The
> > Blackout Truncheon dropped... WOW I thought, a +agility mace with gem
> > slots! <Equip Mace> = Lose like 250 from my min and max damage!!! :
> > ( HOWEVER it has an awesome proc, "Blinding Speed" and let me tell
> > you... You get that proc, SnD and Haste from the Assassination gear,
> > pop Blade Fury and you're like a walking food processor, but think
> > large, blunt instruments instead of blades! > I've never killed
> > anything so fast before.
>
> Grats!
>
> I actually have that mace on my priest 
> I couldn't take it anymore yesterday, so I respecced out of Mutilate -
> I was sick of autoattacking with daggers while waiting for energy -
> and back into Combat Mace/Hemo.
>
> Damn that's hot.
> I switched back from my blue dagger (Shani's krissknife, 56.7dps) to a
> green level 60 mace (Warden's hammer, 48.7dps) as main hand... and
> killing speed solo is practically twice as fast, from 150-250dps to
> 350-450dps. Poison immune mobs are no longer a problem. Downtime is
> now inexistent, from 3 mobs/eat to 7-8 mobs. I usually party with a
> feral druid, so I don't expect my dps to drop that much either over
> there (mangle adds yet another +30% damage to both garrote and
> rupture).
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> I'm not respeccing back. LFG Durn the hungerer 
LFM Durn! Should have that quest still in my log
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:22 am
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On 23 oct, 00:04, Aboo <jhemph....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 22, 9:16 am, Babe Bridou <babebri....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Maces forever
> > Once you get your first mace stun interrupting a spellcast when both
> > gouge, kick, and kidney shot aren't ready, you never turn back. It's
> > great to be able to use rupture, garrote and deadly poison liberally.
>
> > Only problem is that there are only a half-handful maces available
> > between 61 and 70.
> > I actually had to respec daggers at 64 - can't wait to respec back!
>
> I actually leveled with fist weapons and a Hemo build. The Demonblood
> Eviscerator is the coolest looking weapon I've seen so far. (Drops
> off the final boss in Shattered Halls).
>
> I went maces after I started getting PUMMELED in arenas and
> battlegrounds and world PvP by Mace wielding rogues. Figured, if you
> can't beat em, join em! I immediately realized that there are no good
> maces for us, anywhere! They all have +Int, +Healing, etc.. on
> them. So I broke down and spent all my arena points on the Off-
> hand mace from the second season and settled down to wait for a respec
> until I found a suitable main-hand. Shortly after I found a decent
> one with +46 attack power and some stamina and switched.... Holy cow.
> I love stuns!!!
>
> Just a day or so ago I was helping a friend run Shadow Labs and The
> Blackout Truncheon dropped... WOW I thought, a +agility mace with gem
> slots! <Equip Mace> = Lose like 250 from my min and max damage!!! :
> ( HOWEVER it has an awesome proc, "Blinding Speed" and let me tell
> you... You get that proc, SnD and Haste from the Assassination gear,
> pop Blade Fury and you're like a walking food processor, but think
> large, blunt instruments instead of blades! > I've never killed
> anything so fast before.
Grats!
I actually have that mace on my priest
I couldn't take it anymore yesterday, so I respecced out of Mutilate -
I was sick of autoattacking with daggers while waiting for energy -
and back into Combat Mace/Hemo.
Damn that's hot.
I switched back from my blue dagger (Shani's krissknife, 56.7dps) to a
green level 60 mace (Warden's hammer, 48.7dps) as main hand... and
killing speed solo is practically twice as fast, from 150-250dps to
350-450dps. Poison immune mobs are no longer a problem. Downtime is
now inexistent, from 3 mobs/eat to 7-8 mobs. I usually party with a
feral druid, so I don't expect my dps to drop that much either over
there (mangle adds yet another +30% damage to both garrote and
rupture).
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:27 am
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On 23 oct, 12:16, "Ola Forsström" <olaforsst... RemoveThis @hotmail.com.invalid>
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> Babe Bridou wrote:
> > I couldn't take it anymore yesterday, so I respecced out of Mutilate -
> > I was sick of autoattacking with daggers while waiting for energy -
> > and back into Combat Mace/Hemo.
>
> That's the only reason why I still sometimes use Thistle Tea - allows
> me to do two Mutilates before the Kidney Shot stun wears off (only
> necessary in PvP though).
A nicely timed mutilate opener with decent crit rate would sometimes
allow me to just go
"mutilate-wait for a tick or two-Kidney Shot-mutilate-mutilate-cold
blood-envenom/eviscerate" with only a 3 pointer KS - and maximize the
damage/energy ratio with expose weakness or whatever and imp KS. But I
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:31 am
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Babe Bridou wrote:
> It's kind of like blinding powder, I can see 70s getting sick of the
> reagent, but damn, I only went dangerously low on them (less than 20)
> when I took a lengthy PVP break at 49 (48 to be precise). However hard
> I try, I hardly fall under the 60 reagents mark... and use them as
> often as health pots, as I'm a world PVP afficionado (I LOVE THE 15
> YARDS RANGE WITH TALENTS )
While levelling I didn't use Blind very much so when I dinged 70 I
had lots of Blinding Powder. After a couple of weeks doing nothing
but battlegrounds I ran out of it and had to start paying Ogres a
visit every now and then.
<months later>
I raised my rep with Scryers from neutral to exalted almost
exclusively by killing bloodelves for Arcane Tomes and Sunfury
Signets and since Pickpocket is part of my Cheap Shot macro
I ended up with two 18 slot bags filled with Blinding Powder
when my rep grind finally was over. Should last me a while.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:12 pm
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:31:16 +0300, "Ola Forsström"
<olaforsstrom.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>I raised my rep with Scryers from neutral to exalted almost
>exclusively by killing bloodelves for Arcane Tomes and Sunfury
>Signets and since Pickpocket is part of my Cheap Shot macro
>I ended up with two 18 slot bags filled with Blinding Powder
>when my rep grind finally was over. Should last me a while.
If I were you I'd start selling some of it on the AH, if your server has a
decent market for it - in 2.3 there's no longer any need for blinding
powder to use Blind, so unless you can use it all up before the patch comes
you'll have a lot of vendor trash in your bags I rarely use it anyway
so all my spare powder's going on the AH shortly I think, in the hope that
I can make some money off it before it becaomes useless!
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Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 70)
Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 62)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 53)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 53)
Cathach - Gnome Warrior (lvl 30)
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:16 pm
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Babe Bridou wrote:
> I couldn't take it anymore yesterday, so I respecced out of Mutilate -
> I was sick of autoattacking with daggers while waiting for energy -
> and back into Combat Mace/Hemo.
That's the only reason why I still sometimes use Thistle Tea - allows
me to do two Mutilates before the Kidney Shot stun wears off (only
necessary in PvP though).
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:20 pm
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On Oct 23, 1:22 pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS... RemoveThis @totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:02:22 +0300, "Ola Forsström"
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> <olaforsst... RemoveThis @hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >Catriona R wrote:
> >> Ola Forsström wrote:
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> >>> I raised my rep with Scryers from neutral to exalted almost
> >>> exclusively by killing bloodelves for Arcane Tomes and Sunfury
> >>> Signets and since Pickpocket is part of my Cheap Shot macro
> >>> I ended up with two 18 slot bags filled with Blinding Powder
> >>> when my rep grind finally was over. Should last me a while.
>
> >> If I were you I'd start selling some of it on the AH, if your
> >> server has a decent market for it - in 2.3 there's no longer
> >> any need for blinding powder to use Blind, so unless you can
> >> use it all up before the patch comes you'll have a lot of vendor
> >> trash in your bags I rarely use it anyway so all my spare
> >> powder's going on the AH shortly I think, in the hope that
> >> I can make some money off it before it becaomes useless!
>
> >Good point. It never really occurred to me that anyone
> >actually would buy Blinding Powder :/
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> Sells for 4-5g a stack on my server, at least it did last time I had any
> spare
Better dump it before the next patch... Not needed anymore.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:02 pm
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Catriona R wrote:
> Ola Forsström wrote:
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>> I raised my rep with Scryers from neutral to exalted almost
>> exclusively by killing bloodelves for Arcane Tomes and Sunfury
>> Signets and since Pickpocket is part of my Cheap Shot macro
>> I ended up with two 18 slot bags filled with Blinding Powder
>> when my rep grind finally was over. Should last me a while.
>
> If I were you I'd start selling some of it on the AH, if your
> server has a decent market for it - in 2.3 there's no longer
> any need for blinding powder to use Blind, so unless you can
> use it all up before the patch comes you'll have a lot of vendor
> trash in your bags I rarely use it anyway so all my spare
> powder's going on the AH shortly I think, in the hope that
> I can make some money off it before it becaomes useless!
Good point. It never really occurred to me that anyone
actually would buy Blinding Powder :/
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:02 pm
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:02:22 +0300, "Ola Forsström"
<olaforsstrom.RemoveThis@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>Catriona R wrote:
>> Ola Forsström wrote:
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>>> I raised my rep with Scryers from neutral to exalted almost
>>> exclusively by killing bloodelves for Arcane Tomes and Sunfury
>>> Signets and since Pickpocket is part of my Cheap Shot macro
>>> I ended up with two 18 slot bags filled with Blinding Powder
>>> when my rep grind finally was over. Should last me a while.
>>
>> If I were you I'd start selling some of it on the AH, if your
>> server has a decent market for it - in 2.3 there's no longer
>> any need for blinding powder to use Blind, so unless you can
>> use it all up before the patch comes you'll have a lot of vendor
>> trash in your bags I rarely use it anyway so all my spare
>> powder's going on the AH shortly I think, in the hope that
>> I can make some money off it before it becaomes useless!
>
>Good point. It never really occurred to me that anyone
>actually would buy Blinding Powder :/
Sells for 4-5g a stack on my server, at least it did last time I had any
spare
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Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 70)
Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 62)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 53)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 53)
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:53 pm
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Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM.DeleteThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:31:16 +0300, "Ola Forsström"
> <olaforsstrom.DeleteThis@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
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> >I raised my rep with Scryers from neutral to exalted almost
> >exclusively by killing bloodelves for Arcane Tomes and Sunfury
> >Signets and since Pickpocket is part of my Cheap Shot macro
> >I ended up with two 18 slot bags filled with Blinding Powder
> >when my rep grind finally was over. Should last me a while.
>
> If I were you I'd start selling some of it on the AH, if your server has a
> decent market for it - in 2.3 there's no longer any need for blinding
> powder to use Blind, so unless you can use it all up before the patch comes
> you'll have a lot of vendor trash in your bags I rarely use it anyway
> so all my spare powder's going on the AH shortly I think, in the hope that
> I can make some money off it before it becaomes useless!
I always just vendor my extra powder. The stuff is so plentiful that
there is no market for it on AH, at least on my server. The times I
tried to sell it always just came back with me losing the deposit.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:03 pm
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On 22 Oct 2007 16:58:40 GMT, kerri.DeleteThis@spamsucks.com wrote:
>, but as far as I can tell
>the mobs generally lose all interest in me and I end up re-entering normal
>stealth, so it's much like an "undo-button" for bad pulls. Very handy.
Spot on, that's how I use it too.
You can also use it when creeping very close past mobs that you might
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:08 pm
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On 22 Oct 2007 18:29:27 GMT, kerri.DeleteThis@spamsucks.com wrote:
>> Oh so not putting a rogues escape ability into play means that a rogue
>isn't
>> "forgiving" when things go wrong?
>
>As I said, I'm new to the class and probably doing things "wrong".
Don't forget a good supply of blinding powder to blind that extra mob
that you inadvertently pulled.
Three mobs? easy. Sap#1, blind#2, and attack #3.
Kill #3, then #2, then#1.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:13 pm
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:53:21 GMT, burt.RemoveThis@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson)
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>Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM.RemoveThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:31:16 +0300, "Ola Forsström"
>> <olaforsstrom.RemoveThis@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
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>> >I raised my rep with Scryers from neutral to exalted almost
>> >exclusively by killing bloodelves for Arcane Tomes and Sunfury
>> >Signets and since Pickpocket is part of my Cheap Shot macro
>> >I ended up with two 18 slot bags filled with Blinding Powder
>> >when my rep grind finally was over. Should last me a while.
>>
>> If I were you I'd start selling some of it on the AH, if your server has a
>> decent market for it - in 2.3 there's no longer any need for blinding
>> powder to use Blind, so unless you can use it all up before the patch comes
>> you'll have a lot of vendor trash in your bags I rarely use it anyway
>> so all my spare powder's going on the AH shortly I think, in the hope that
>> I can make some money off it before it becaomes useless!
>
>I always just vendor my extra powder. The stuff is so plentiful that
>there is no market for it on AH, at least on my server. The times I
>tried to sell it always just came back with me losing the deposit.
Hmm, tried on weekends? The pvper rogues love the stuff, doesn't always
sell but I can usually get a few gold for it anyway. Granted I've not tried
in a while though, haven't done much farming on my rogue lately as my
hunter/warlock are more efficient on most mobs - only farming my rogue does
now is for primal mana as mana burning mobs can't hurt him
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Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 70)
Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 62)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 53)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 53)
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:40 pm
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:58 pm
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:40:23 -0000, pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>kerri@spamsucks.com writes:
>>.. and warlock is the easiest.
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>My ass. Rogues are by far the easiest class to level, and warlocks are
>pathetic well into their upper 30s
Hmm? When did you level your warlock? My lvl 70 was easy all the way from
1-70, and my currently lvl 25 is easy as well... did you level yours before
some change or other that might've made it easier? Warlock is definitely
easier than rogue to level, though I wouldn't say rogue is hard to level as
such.
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Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
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Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 62)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 53)
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