rogue is the most difficult character to level....

On 21 loka, 20:38, ke....TakeThisOut@spamsucks.com wrote:
> Of course, I'm probably just doing it wrong... As of last night, I didn't
> have any flash powder or crippling poison. I'm hoping flash powder will help
> me out of the occasional "Oh Sh%!" situations and the crippling poison will
> keep those miserable runners from getting away.
>
> but, back to my original point... the rogue is all about technique. The
> warrior and warlock are both about tanking, and the mage can use his
> multitude of kiting (and sheeping) abilities to get himself out of a sticky
> situation.

My first character was a hunter, but a rogue was the second character
I ever leveled over lvl 20. In my opinion the rogue was very to level
up. You should _always_ use crippling poison in main hand weapon and
you should always keep a stack of flash powder with you too. If things
go bad, just vanish. If it is on cooldown, use Sprint and run away. If
you're fighting more than one mob at the same time, use Evasion.

I have leveled a mage to lvl 20, and I had a lot more problems with
him than with my rogue. Mages are very fragile if things go wrong.

I don't have experience about warlocks, but people say they are
overpowered, so I understand if you say that they are easy.
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> .. and warlock is the easiest.
>
> At least that's my limited experience so far having played only 4 classes
> (Rogue, Warlock, Warrior, Mage). Here's why:
>
> The warlock is extremely forgiving of screwups. Aggro four mobs by
> mistake.
> Just leave the voidwalker behind and run. Often times I read email while
> I'm
> playing (void dot dot dot autofire-wand, switch windows and read email
> while
> the mob dies).
>
> The rogue, on the other hand is completely unforgiving of screwups. Last
> night I was trying out Jame's horde leveling guide (lvl 22-24) and was
> constantly in situations fighting pairs of mobs. First of all, screw up
> and
> get caught while sapping and you're toast. Okay, so you're successful in
> sapping one and ambushing the other... Well lets hope you can kill mob #2
> before mob #1 wakes up. Let's also hope mob #2 doesn't run at 15% health
> and
> aggro three other mobs (all while you're hoping mob #1 doesn't un-sap
> himself). Runners gave me constant problems with hillsbrad peasants,
> usually
> running right into a hillsbrad footman (4 levels above me). So I ended up
> abandoning stealth and using traditional ranged pulling techniques to grab
> peasants one-by-one.
>
> Of course, I'm probably just doing it wrong... As of last night, I didn't
> have any flash powder or crippling poison. I'm hoping flash powder will
> help
> me out of the occasional "Oh Sh%!" situations and the crippling poison
> will
> keep those miserable runners from getting away.
>
> but, back to my original point... the rogue is all about technique. The
> warrior and warlock are both about tanking, and the mage can use his
> multitude of kiting (and sheeping) abilities to get himself out of a
> sticky
> situation.
>
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Rogue was the first toon I started, and boy.. that was like "work".

At lvl 46 I quit the Rogue and started a Hunter. Hunter compared to rogue is
like going on a holiday trip in Aspen Valley.

At lvl 46 again got bored (now due to the easyness) and started a mage now,
tilted her to lvl 12, and now I feel like the game wears off.
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On 21 oct, 19:38, ke....RemoveThis@spamsucks.com wrote:
> .. and warlock is the easiest.
>
> At least that's my limited experience so far having played only 4 classes
> (Rogue, Warlock, Warrior, Mage). Here's why:
>

Having played all classes to level 20... and 4 classes (priest,
hunter, warrior, rogue) past 60,

Warrior is hardest until you get a weapon that is really good for your
level, at which point they become the easiest.

Hunter is overall the easiest character to level up. They are the
better suited for singling-out mobs and kill them without losing any
health nor mana.

Priest is "normal difficulty" all the way as shadow,
As holy, it's hard mode between 30 and 45, hard mode between 55 and
65, and very easy mode in every other bracket.

Rogue is the slowest - but cheapest class to level. You never run out
of stuff to do, and you can always take shortcut. You make a massive
amount of money out of pickpocketing, quests take the least amount of
time to complete, and you always have your bags filled with healing
potions of all sorts - and it never feels like a grind, like it does
with other classes.
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On 21 Oct, 21:08, vmki... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On 21 loka, 20:38, ke... DeleteThis @spamsucks.com wrote:
>
> > Of course, I'm probably just doing it wrong... As of last night, I didn't
> > have any flash powder or crippling poison. I'm hoping flash powder will help
> > me out of the occasional "Oh Sh%!" situations and the crippling poison will
> > keep those miserable runners from getting away.
>
> > but, back to my original point... the rogue is all about technique. The
> > warrior and warlock are both about tanking, and the mage can use his
> > multitude of kiting (and sheeping) abilities to get himself out of a sticky
> > situation.
>
> In my opinion the rogue was very to level
> up. You should _always_ use crippling poison in main hand weapon and

There's no need to always use crippling poison. Most non-humanoid
mobs do not run. Also, I don't know what other people do, but I
always use deadly poison in my main hand and crippling or instant
poison in my off-hand as required. I also put crippling poison on if
I am in an area where I am likely to get attacked by alliance. Some
places, like Desolace and Ferelas, are mainly empty of players so
there's no need for the security. Other places like STV require
crippling poison at all times.

> you should always keep a stack of flash powder with you too.

Oh yes, this is a definate need. I can't count how many times vanish
has saved my rogue's life. I bet all rogues are the same too.

> If things
> go bad, just vanish. If it is on cooldown, use Sprint and run away. If
> you're fighting more than one mob at the same time, use Evasion.

If you're combat specced to blade flurry (which the OP can't be yet at
22-24) then that is a great talent for multiple mobs. The second is
almost always close to death by the time you get to it.


> I have leveled a mage to lvl 20, and I had a lot more problems with
> him than with my rogue. Mages are very fragile if things go wrong.

I found my mage to be very difficult going in the early 20s. It gets
easier a bit higher up.


steve.kaye
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On Oct 21, 6:38 pm, ke....DeleteThis@spamsucks.com wrote:
> .. and warlock is the easiest.
>
> At least that's my limited experience so far having played only 4 classes
> (Rogue, Warlock, Warrior, Mage). Here's why:

I binned my Warrior (first char) and took the rogue, found that easier
to level than a warrior but then again warrior was stuck on a server
and had all the first toon mistakes (no gold/so no equipment/crafting
eating all the coin).

I found rogue quite fun, but it stalled about level 56, when I parked
it and started rolling alts in order to maximise the rogues rested xp
bonus to speed him along... Ended up taking the hunter to 70 first,
similar to warlock in ease...

I get the feeling the talent respec for TBC last december nerfed the
rogues dmg skills. I have no real proof of this, but another of my
friends who had a 60 rogue for years, seems to think the same thing. I
was killing about 52ish in Felwood, and then next day, I was getting
killed by equal levelled mobs...

It _ground_ to take the rogue from 58-62. Getting good daggers off AH
helped a lot (I didn't bother to instance), but what made the big
difference was the respect at 62 to mutilate...

You used to be able to run a hybrid spec on a rogue until then, with
about 20ish points in each to get nice lower level skills. With nerf
and what appeared to be mobs which were positively anti-rogue in TBC
it was horrible. Half of them couldn't be sapped. Bunch couldn't be
poisoned. A hell of a lot put 1 minute poisons on you stalling your
invis...

With mutilate, I learnt to use the stuns more effectively, giving the
mob only a small window to actually hurt me. This got me to 70 in the
end, and made it play quite well...

But I stuck to dagger all the way.... Its matter of how you feel you
should play. I liked getting behind mobs (still do it with my druid
when not needed). Others love playing it like a warrior... Your choice
really...

Smid
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On Oct 22, 3:14 am, ASKF <nos....RemoveThis@askf.dk> wrote:
> Shamans never gets any true CC, but they do have some nice DPS from
> shocks to take care of runners, though in a lot of situations it just
> isn't enough, unless they go the Elemental way. When drawing aggro from
> more than one mob, the ones they haven't done damage to, have a very
> annoying tendency to take out the totems.
>
> If you take a look at <http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php>, you'll
> see that Shamans are the least played class for both sides (only
> slightly more played than Druids among the Horde). This could be an
> indication about the difficulty level of the classes, especially since
> Shamans used to be a very popular class (it hasn't really been nerfed
> much, the other classes have just been boosted more).

Shaman actually are really easy to level. Its the endgame that sucks
and keeps people away. Fairly high dps, self healing and both
elemental and enhance are viable specs. Unlike other classes, shaman
are the most fun from 1-69 imo. It's 70 that becomes dull.
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Babe Bridou <babebridou.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 21 oct, 19:38, ke....RemoveThis@spamsucks.com wrote:
> > .. and warlock is the easiest.
> >
> > At least that's my limited experience so far having played only 4 classes
> > (Rogue, Warlock, Warrior, Mage). Here's why:
> >
>
> Having played all classes to level 20... and 4 classes (priest,
> hunter, warrior, rogue) past 60,

I have done all Alliance classes to 50, with only rogue past 60 so far.

>
> Warrior is hardest until you get a weapon that is really good for your
> level, at which point they become the easiest.

I found him the hardest of all, and finally just gave up on him at 58.
Too much work...

>
> Hunter is overall the easiest character to level up. They are the
> better suited for singling-out mobs and kill them without losing any
> health nor mana.

Hunter and Shaman are both equally easy to me. They are the highest DPS
of the non-warrior classes. The hunter can do DPS from a distance while
the shaman can heal after the fight. Both allowed me to plow through
mobs pretty easily, and are the best at multiple mobs in my experience.

>
> Priest is "normal difficulty" all the way as shadow,
> As holy, it's hard mode between 30 and 45, hard mode between 55 and
> 65, and very easy mode in every other bracket.

My priest and palladin are both the lowest DPS, but can heal themselves,
so they stay alive during long fights. They take the longest to take
down mobs (because of the lower DPS), and thus take longer to level, but
are still reliable. Very rare deaths in either, and then only because i
got really sloppy.

>
> Rogue is the slowest - but cheapest class to level. You never run out
> of stuff to do, and you can always take shortcut. You make a massive
> amount of money out of pickpocketing, quests take the least amount of
> time to complete, and you always have your bags filled with healing
> potions of all sorts - and it never feels like a grind, like it does
> with other classes.

My biggest problem with the rogue is avoiding the easy way out. Too
easy to just sneak by, sap the guard and steal the quest. Doing so
leaves the rogue without the XP of killing the entry mobs though. Thus,
I decided to rarly bypass the nasties. instead I pickpocket them, then
kill them. Always from stealth though, so that I can usually have them
down to half health before they can strike their first blow.

Rogue is probably my most expensive toon, as he does seem to need more
healing potions than any other. I could probably go slower and cheaper,
but I tend to keep on plowing until I really need to eat. One oops on an
extra draw and I find myself chugging another healing potion though...

--
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:25:28 GMT, burt.DeleteThis@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt
Johnson) wrote:
>
>Rogue is probably my most expensive toon, as he does seem to need more
>healing potions than any other. I could probably go slower and cheaper,
>but I tend to keep on plowing until I really need to eat.

I stop plowing and bandage at anything <70% health. Anything lower
than that is just unnecessarily tempting fate and risking pot wastage.

>One oops on an extra draw and I find myself chugging another healing
>potion though...

Um, if you pop a bandage now and then along the way, you'll hardly
ever need a pot. Bandages are free, pots are spendy. The only thing I
ever found spendy about my rogues, is getting a good weapon for them.
I don't waste money on the few purples that are always way overpriced,
but investing in good blue weapons that will last you for 10-15 levels
is the difference between drudgery and pure awesomeness.
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On 21 Oct 2007 17:38:59 GMT, kerri DeleteThis @spamsucks.com wrote:

>.. and warlock is the easiest.
>
>At least that's my limited experience so far having played only 4 classes
>(Rogue, Warlock, Warrior, Mage). Here's why:

My rogue was my first class to level and I didn't find it so hard...
there's some situations which aren't easy though, and yes, multiple mobs is
one of them. However as a rogue there's usually a nice solution - stealth
past the big groups of mobs and pick out the single ones instead.

Also when you get higher level you can take the blade flurry talent which
lets you hit 2 mobs at once; if you continue and take adrenaline rush too
you have a very nice killing machine for groups every 5 minutes - evasion,
adrenaline rush and blade flurry all at the same time, can manage 3-4 mobs
easily; I actually took 6 down at one go a few weeks back when a pull went
wrong and I got rather more than I'd intended.

The worst thing for rogues is that they're gear dependent. I know everyone
says warriors are the most gear dependent class, but rogues are fairly
similar in my opinion - when I first levelled to 60 I found I was fine all
the while I was levelling, but then began to feel very weak as I went
through the 50s until when I got to 60 I only had any confidence against
low 50s mobs. After gearing up a bit, suddenly all was a lot easier again.
Same happened from 60-70 - being in all blues where everyone else was in
epics I struggled at first, once I geared up a bit the levelling was ok but
farming at 70 was hard and I was kinda annoyed that my all-greens hunter
had it easier than my all-blues rogue. But now I've added a few epics to my
gear, suddenly farming's got a lot easier too and I'm no longer having to
stop for food/bandage after every few mobs.

Most important thing with a rogue is have a good weapon - get the best you
can for your level and things will be a lot easier. Obviously good stats on
your other gear helps too, but weapon is key from what I've seen.
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Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 62)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 53)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 53)
Cathach - Gnome Warrior (lvl 30)
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<1193027579.006003.296910 DeleteThis @q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> med dette:

>On 21 oct, 19:38, ke... DeleteThis @spamsucks.com wrote:
>> .. and warlock is the easiest.
>>
>> At least that's my limited experience so far having played only 4 classes
>> (Rogue, Warlock, Warrior, Mage). Here's why:
>>
>
>Having played all classes to level 20... and 4 classes (priest,
>hunter, warrior, rogue) past 60,
>
>Warrior is hardest until you get a weapon that is really good for your
>level, at which point they become the easiest.
>
>Hunter is overall the easiest character to level up. They are the
>better suited for singling-out mobs and kill them without losing any
>health nor mana.
>
>Priest is "normal difficulty" all the way as shadow,
>As holy, it's hard mode between 30 and 45, hard mode between 55 and
>65, and very easy mode in every other bracket.
>
>Rogue is the slowest - but cheapest class to level. You never run out
>of stuff to do, and you can always take shortcut. You make a massive
>amount of money out of pickpocketing, quests take the least amount of
>time to complete, and you always have your bags filled with healing
>potions of all sorts - and it never feels like a grind, like it does
>with other classes.

I think Druid and Shaman are slower at lower levels, and worse off than
Rogues.

Druid becomes much like a rogue at level 20, but still miss an effective
CC, until then I think they are the class with the lowest DPS, they're
even slower than Paladins at killing a mob.

Shamans never gets any true CC, but they do have some nice DPS from
shocks to take care of runners, though in a lot of situations it just
isn't enough, unless they go the Elemental way. When drawing aggro from
more than one mob, the ones they haven't done damage to, have a very
annoying tendency to take out the totems.

If you take a look at <http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php>, you'll
see that Shamans are the least played class for both sides (only
slightly more played than Druids among the Horde). This could be an
indication about the difficulty level of the classes, especially since
Shamans used to be a very popular class (it hasn't really been nerfed
much, the other classes have just been boosted more).
--
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"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
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On 21 Oct 2007 17:38:59 GMT, kerri RemoveThis @spamsucks.com wrote:

>The warlock is extremely forgiving of screwups. Aggro four mobs by mistake.
>Just leave the voidwalker behind and run.

Just "Vanish". Or "Sprint".
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Rogue was my 5th character I think, and I thought
it was relatively easy to level up and play. Lots
of damage output makes combat fun; the sprint
ability makes survival easy; and stealth makes a
lot of quests much easier than for others. A whole
tower to get past to finish the quest? A rogue
can just stealth up to the top, ambush the bad guy
and loot the corpse before the guards can react,
then vanish.

Consider the Druids. They get caster abilities
and bear form and cat form. Most druids seem to
spend most of their levelling time in the rogue
like cat-form rather than the warrior like bear
form.

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On 22 oct, 18:48, Moosen <nos....DeleteThis@buhbye.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:25:28 GMT, b....DeleteThis@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt
>
> Johnson) wrote:
>
> >Rogue is probably my most expensive toon, as he does seem to need more
> >healing potions than any other. I could probably go slower and cheaper,
> >but I tend to keep on plowing until I really need to eat.
>
> I stop plowing and bandage at anything <70% health. Anything lower
> than that is just unnecessarily tempting fate and risking pot wastage.
>
> >One oops on an extra draw and I find myself chugging another healing
> >potion though...
>
> Um, if you pop a bandage now and then along the way, you'll hardly
> ever need a pot. Bandages are free, pots are spendy. The only thing I
> ever found spendy about my rogues, is getting a good weapon for them.
> I don't waste money on the few purples that are always way overpriced,
> but investing in good blue weapons that will last you for 10-15 levels
> is the difference between drudgery and pure awesomeness.

That's strange because I've never, ever, ran out of potions, and I
still haven't had the need to train heavy netherweave bandages, I'm
still at 350 or something in first aid at 65. I'm not an alchemist, I
don't buy pots either, and sell all the herbs I find.

Okay I admit, I eat humanoids every now and then, bein undead and
stuff But still, running out of potions? I pickpocket dozens of
them, use them liberally, and I routinely carry 15-16 of those if not
more, and I even fund my warrior with them...

It's kind of like blinding powder, I can see 70s getting sick of the
reagent, but damn, I only went dangerously low on them (less than 20)
when I took a lengthy PVP break at 49 (48 to be precise). However hard
I try, I hardly fall under the 60 reagents mark... and use them as
often as health pots, as I'm a world PVP afficionado (I LOVE THE 15
YARDS RANGE WITH TALENTS )
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