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Tim C.

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>games>warcraft (more info?)

Following up to "Orion Ryder" <orionryder.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> : >The food and the recipes aren't soul bound. "Binds on swallowing" -- Tim C. >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<morvak RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message news:1170947564.872358.121610@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > If I'm a rogue, I can't wear plate, nor can I use wands, and I have no > need for cloth. Same goes for warrior: no need for cloth or wands. > Mages don't need shields or swords. etc. etc. > I don't have a problem with quest rewards or world drops but there is one thing that really does irritate me. Instance drops, why oh why oh why. A simple bit of coding to filter the loot tables so that only items usable by those classes in the instance drop. It's really something they could do with great ease, not at all difficult but then I guess it's all about keeping us coming back for more, and back for more, and back for more... oh and those monthly subs ofc. >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Following up to John Salerno <johnjsal.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com> : >morvak@gmail.com wrote: > >> It's not really THAT big of a deal, but still... it's a waste for me >> to even get a plate or shield for my rogue that's soulbounded only to >> be sold back to a vendor for cheap. what's the point? just don't give >> me anything at all in that case. sheesh. give me extra XP maybe. >> > >It's a decent point, but I think I can count on one hand the number of >times I've actually done a quest for the reward. I do them for the XP, >and just smile crazily when a reward is a nice upgrade for me. Me too. I do them for the XP, and to actually have something concrete to do. The physical reward is an added bonus if it's a nice one. -- Tim C. >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Tim C. wrote: > Me too. I do them for the XP, and to actually have something concrete to > do. Yeah really. I mean, if I abandoned quests because I didn't like the reward, I'd probably never have anything to do in the game but fish! >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<morvak.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1170947564.872358.121610@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > If I'm a rogue, I can't wear plate, nor can I use wands, and I have no > need for cloth. Same goes for warrior: no need for cloth or wands. > Mages don't need shields or swords. etc. etc. > > I can understand out in the wild finding random green drops or any > kind of drop that a class can't use. that's perfectly acceptable. That > bear just ate a warrior in plate so of course when i gut it i'll find > a plate chest piece or shield. wink > > But if an NPC is giving me a quest, i can't say "Hey, i have no need > for Plate or a Shield. I'm a rogue, get it ? Do you have a dagger or > some nice learther armor instead? No? Well, can you give me the > monetary value instead? No? Fine. Go ahead, force your item on me." > > Not only do you get stuff you can't use, to make matters even worse, > it's SOULBOUNDED to you! Gah! So what? MONEYYY Quests that don't offer rewards you can use are nice if you want to save up a little In Outlands, some of the long chains have about 8 quest rewards, so every class does get its choice. (eg. the Nesingwary Safari missions) > It's not really THAT big of a deal, but still... it's a waste for me > to even get a plate or shield for my rogue that's soulbounded only to > be sold back to a vendor for cheap. It's not so 'cheap' when it's worth 10g to vendors -- Sue >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Feb 8, 7:56 am, John Salerno <johnj... RemoveThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: > It's a decent point, but I think I can count on one hand the number of > times I've actually done a quest for the reward. I noticed that both Deadmines and Wailing Caverns have quests that give a huge rewards that my guys can use. +11 agi armor for my rogue (!), and a staff with +7/+7/+7 stats and 20dps (!!) for my druid. I was sort of wondering if it was worth the effort to do these instances, but those quest rewards seal the deal. There are other quests that have good rewards, but in general I do all the quests just because they're quests, not because of enticement. -- Darin Johnson >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Feb 8, 2:40 pm, "neithskye" <jill_bookerGREENEGGSANDS....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 8, 10:12 am, mor....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote: > > > If I'm a rogue, I can't wear plate, nor can I use wands, and I have no > > need for cloth. Same goes for warrior: no need for cloth or wands. > > Mages don't need shields or swords. etc. etc. > > It's an interesting thread. I've read all the posts, and I got to > wondering where folks are getting their character's equipment from. > > My lvl 32 Shaman . . . I love her to death, but she has the worst luck > finding things. Since I didn't want to run to the AH every minute, and > I wanted her to get all her own stuff, she was still using equipment > quest rewards from Bloodmyst Isle at lvl 28 - no quest reward or > monster drop had been better. Before heading off to STV, her last > quest, full of lvl 30 monsters, produced one green, which she couldn't > use, and that also had a lvl req of 17. > > I'm at work, so going over her equipment in my head, one piece was a > quest reward (that Crescent of Forlorn Spirits is actually rather a > wicked and fast little axe), one piece was a monster drop, and all the > rest was bought from the AH, except her jewellery, which she made. > > Reviewing quest rewards for lvl 30-40 quests, nothing interests her in > STV until lvl 40, and the only thing that looks nice in Desolace is a > Horde-only quest. > > So just out of curiosity, if not quests, where do people expect to > find their equipment? Monster drops, AH, an older toon? > > -- > Jill Quests and Dungeon Runs That's really the only place I ever get gear until I get to 60 (now 70). Blizzard scales things pretty well. Heck, I'm 55 and I'm still wearing a necklace I got at 32 becuase it's just that good. (Scarlet Monestary, FTW) >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:58:39 -0000, "JohnR" <repro007.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote: >I don't have a problem with quest rewards or world drops but there is one >thing that really does irritate me. Instance drops, why oh why oh why. A >simple bit of coding to filter the loot tables so that only items usable by >those classes in the instance drop. It's really something they could do with >great ease, not at all difficult but then I guess it's all about keeping us >coming back for more, and back for more, and back for more... oh and those >monthly subs ofc. Lol agreed soo much, it's always plate when there's a druid tanking or cloth +heal when there's a druid healing, druid leather when I'm the only leather wearer, mail when there's no hunter or if there is one the mail will have shaman stats (highest shammy in my guild is lvl 50 atm ), etc etc. Instances tend to be a good supply of shards, but if there's not even an enchanter you're cursing -- EU-Draenor: Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 70) Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60) Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 5 Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 47) Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 44) >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Following up to morvak.DeleteThis@gmail.com : >On Feb 8, 11:04 am, Tim C. <tim.challen....DeleteThis@aon.at> wrote: >> Following up to John Salerno <johnj....DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com> : >> >> >mor...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> It's not really THAT big of a deal, but still... it's a waste for me >> >> to even get a plate or shield for my rogue that's soulbounded only to >> >> be sold back to a vendor for cheap. what's the point? just don't give >> >> me anything at all in that case. sheesh. give me extra XP maybe. >> >> >It's a decent point, but I think I can count on one hand the number of >> >times I've actually done a quest for the reward. I do them for the XP, >> >and just smile crazily when a reward is a nice upgrade for me. >> >> Me too. I do them for the XP, and to actually have something concrete to >> do. >> The physical reward is an added bonus if it's a nice one. >> -- >> Tim C. > >but of course! it was just a curious thought as to why the rewards >aren't more related to your class. It would make more sense to me to have the rewards related to the quest giver. He/she can only give as a prize things that they would be able to get their hands on. Like the earlier Qs - westfall stew. -- Tim C. >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Ishmaiel <not_the_bott.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote: > as a lock I need +spi to get my curses non-resistable. I HATE > seeing that ugly yellow "Resist" makes me just nuke the mob with > shadowbolts. ?? Spirit doesn't reduce the spell resistance of your targets. It improves mana & health regen rates. -- Zil, Level 68 NE Priest, Aman Shan're, Stormrage Europe >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 26) Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Ishmaiel wrote: > On Feb 8, 7:12 am, mor....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote: > >>If I'm a rogue, I can't wear plate, nor can I use wands, and I have no >>need for cloth. Same goes for warrior: no need for cloth or wands. >>Mages don't need shields or swords. etc. etc. >> >>I can understand out in the wild finding random green drops or any >>kind of drop that a class can't use. that's perfectly acceptable. That >>bear just ate a warrior in plate so of course when i gut it i'll find >>a plate chest piece or shield. wink >> >>But if an NPC is giving me a quest, i can't say "Hey, i have no need >>for Plate or a Shield. I'm a rogue, get it ? Do you have a dagger or >>some nice learther armor instead? No? Well, can you give me the >>monetary value instead? No? Fine. Go ahead, force your item on me." >> >>Not only do you get stuff you can't use, to make matters even worse, >>it's SOULBOUNDED to you! Gah! >> >>What is the harm in having the quest rewards customized based on the >>class taking the quest? Is it that hard to program? >> >>Is it a matter of "well then you'd have all this gear from every quest >>and you'd be so twinked and all". Ok, then give me money instead. Or >>give me the option to choose money or the item. >> >>has blizzard made a statement about this? >> >>It's not really THAT big of a deal, but still... it's a waste for me >>to even get a plate or shield for my rogue that's soulbounded only to >>be sold back to a vendor for cheap. what's the point? just don't give >>me anything at all in that case. sheesh. give me extra XP maybe. > > > That would require ALOT of extra programming hours don'tcha think? > > I have seen the warr's fume in guild chat that all the plate rewards > in TBC have been "pally plate" which I can feel their pain. Hell most > of the cloth is set for mages with lots of +int but as a lock I need > +spi to get my curses non-resistable. I HATE seeing that ugly yellow > "Resist" makes me just nuke the mob with shadowbolts. For having 6 chars around clvl 50 and ready some time in the future for TBC, i startet checking quests/rewards for this chars. I know that they will have bad gear starting TBC, so the first quests should get gear. I add this list, sorry for using german words and pointing the quests/rewards to a german database, but should not any problem to check out thottbot or allkahazam instead Paladina 58: Schild http://www.buffed.de/?q=10482 60: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10895 61: Waffe Schwert 1-Hand http://www.buffed.de/?q=10142 61: Helm http://www.buffed.de/?q=10078 61: Ring http://www.buffed.de/?q=9355 61: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=10057 62: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=9427 62: Beine http://www.buffed.de/?q=10163 62: Helm http://www.buffed.de/?q=10146 63: Waffe Schwert 2-Hand http://www.buffed.de/?q=10255 Kriegerin 58: Schild http://www.buffed.de/?q=10482 61: Waffe Schwert 1-Hand http://www.buffed.de/?q=10142 61: Helm http://www.buffed.de/?q=10630 61: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=9355 61: Beine http://www.buffed.de/?q=10161 61: Beine http://www.buffed.de/?q=10055 61: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=10057 62: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10937 62: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10146 62: Ring http://www.buffed.de/?q=9427 63: Waffe Schwert 2-Hand http://www.buffed.de/?q=10255 Rogue 58: Waffe Dolch http://www.buffed.de/?q=10482 60: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10895 61: Schultern http://www.buffed.de/?q=10099 61: Waffe Schwert 1-Hand http://www.buffed.de/?q=10142 61: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=9355 61: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10055 61: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=10057 62: Handgelenk http://www.buffed.de/?q=9427 62: Helm http://www.buffed.de/?q=10163 62: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10937 Priesterin 58: Zauberstab http://www.buffed.de/?q=10482 60: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10895 61: Gürtel http://www.buffed.de/?q=10099 61: Stab http://www.buffed.de/?q=10142 61: Nebenhand http://www.buffed.de/?q=10630 61: Beine http://www.buffed.de/?q=10078 61: Ring http://www.buffed.de/?q=9355 61: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=10057 62: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=9427 62: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10937 62: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10163 62: Kopf http://www.buffed.de/?q=9420 63: Stab http://www.buffed.de/?q=10255 Magierin 58: Zauberstab http://www.buffed.de/?q=10482 60: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10895 61: Gürtel http://www.buffed.de/?q=10099 61: Stab http://www.buffed.de/?q=10142 61: Nebenhand http://www.buffed.de/?q=10630 61: Beine http://www.buffed.de/?q=10078 61: Ring http://www.buffed.de/?q=9355 61: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=10057 62: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=9427 62: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10163 62: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10937 62: Kopf: http://www.buffed.de/?q=9420 63: Stab http://www.buffed.de/?q=10255 Hexe 58: Zauberstab http://www.buffed.de/?q=10482 60: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10895 61: Gürtel http://www.buffed.de/?q=10099 61: Stab http://www.buffed.de/?q=10142 61: Nebenhand http://www.buffed.de/?q=10630 61: Beine http://www.buffed.de/?q=10078 61: Ring http://www.buffed.de/?q=9355 61: Halskette http://www.buffed.de/?q=10057 62: Halskette: http://www.buffed.de/?q=9427 62: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10937 62: Brustrüstung http://www.buffed.de/?q=10163 62: Kopf http://www.buffed.de/?q=9420 63: Stab http://www.buffed.de/?q=10255 > Although I don't mind the +damage at all > Hope this list helps someone wave Uwe >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 27) Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Ishmaiel" <not_the_bott.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> writes: >I have seen the warr's fume in guild chat that all the plate rewards >in TBC have been "pally plate" which I can feel their pain. Hell most Boo hoo. Warriors do nothing but whine these days. >of the cloth is set for mages with lots of +int but as a lock I need >+spi to get my curses non-resistable. I HATE seeing that ugly yellow Um, what? Spirit has nothing to do with it whatsoever. Spirit is a completely useless stat for a warlock. "Spell penetration" is perhaps what you're thinking of. * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<morvak.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1170948484.171678.224260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 8, 10:24 am, "Ishmaiel" <not_the_b....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On Feb 8, 7:12 am, mor....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > If I'm a rogue, I can't wear plate, nor can I use wands, and I have no >> > need for cloth. Same goes for warrior: no need for cloth or wands. >> > Mages don't need shields or swords. etc. etc. >> >> > I can understand out in the wild finding random green drops or any >> > kind of drop that a class can't use. that's perfectly acceptable. That >> > bear just ate a warrior in plate so of course when i gut it i'll find >> > a plate chest piece or shield. wink >> >> > But if an NPC is giving me a quest, i can't say "Hey, i have no need >> > for Plate or a Shield. I'm a rogue, get it ? Do you have a dagger or >> > some nice learther armor instead? No? Well, can you give me the >> > monetary value instead? No? Fine. Go ahead, force your item on me." >> >> > Not only do you get stuff you can't use, to make matters even worse, >> > it's SOULBOUNDED to you! Gah! >> >> > What is the harm in having the quest rewards customized based on the >> > class taking the quest? Is it that hard to program? >> >> > Is it a matter of "well then you'd have all this gear from every quest >> > and you'd be so twinked and all". Ok, then give me money instead. Or >> > give me the option to choose money or the item. >> >> > has blizzard made a statement about this? >> >> > It's not really THAT big of a deal, but still... it's a waste for me >> > to even get a plate or shield for my rogue that's soulbounded only to >> > be sold back to a vendor for cheap. what's the point? just don't give >> > me anything at all in that case. sheesh. give me extra XP maybe. >> >> That would require ALOT of extra programming hours don'tcha think? >> >> I have seen the warr's fume in guild chat that all the plate rewards >> in TBC have been "pally plate" which I can feel their pain. Hell most >> of the cloth is set for mages with lots of +int but as a lock I need >> +spi to get my curses non-resistable. I HATE seeing that ugly yellow >> "Resist" makes me just nuke the mob with shadowbolts. >> >> Although I don't mind the +damage at all - Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > a lot of programming hours? i don't know.. what about a simple check: > > get class type > if class = rogue, reward = A > if class = paladin, reward = B > if class = mage, reward = C > etc > etc > > i don't see programming being THAT much of an issue? i mean, the > quest routine is checking to see if you completed the quest, that's a > check. > > besides, some quests offer multiple rewards for you to choose, so why > not just have a reward for each class right there? > You would have to break it down more then that. most classes have 2-3 different types of builds. what is good for a prot speced warrior isn't going to be worth anything to a furry warrior. As for me a holy spec'd paly who looks to damage gear (don't get me started on the fact all good spell damage gear is either daggers or staffs) I don't care about plate with str on it. I sit with about 2-2.5 thousand more mana then any other paly i see. but again i am built different and what is good for another paly i wouldn't want as a quest reward. >> Stay informed about: Why aren't all quest rewards customized for your toon ?

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