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Adam

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Since: Jul 21, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:56 pm
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I really want to enjoy this game, but I am still confused by some
annoying problems.

First off, I am having trouble figuring out how to gain attribute
bonuses without making the game extremely awkward. I've learned that
I need to gain 10 skill points in a category to gain a 5x bonus.
Thus, if I want a 5x bonus for three attributes, I must gain at least
a total of 30 skill points. However, only 10 are required to level
up. Thus, if I don't rest until I have three 5x bonuses, I am always
way ahead on level advancement, and I can never rest without gaining a
level and blowing a chance to bonus.

I am also having trouble with magika. Since I am not resting, I can
only gain magika through potions (unless there is another way?). I've
raided all of the Mages Guild chests and bought-out all of the
alchemists, but I never have enough magika to practice my willpower.

I posted previously about my trouble gaining enchant skill. The
responses to my post were very helpful, but I still find advancing the
skill very slow. Even if I use enchanted items constantly while
wandering around, it takes days to gain a skill point. In contrast, I
can gain 5-10 weapon and armor skill points in just a few battles.
Sneak and alchemy are similarly slow to learn.

Overall I think I like the game. However, all of these issues are
making the game seem more like work than play. I find myself fretting
over weather I am doing well instead of enjoying the adventure!

-Adam

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:35 pm
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Adam wrote:

> First off, I am having trouble figuring out how to gain attribute
> bonuses without making the game extremely awkward. I've learned that
> I need to gain 10 skill points in a category to gain a 5x bonus.
> Thus, if I want a 5x bonus for three attributes, I must gain at least
> a total of 30 skill points. However, only 10 are required to level
> up. Thus, if I don't rest until I have three 5x bonuses, I am always
> way ahead on level advancement, and I can never rest without gaining a
> level and blowing a chance to bonus.

Just ignore it. I know it's tempting to go for that 5x bonus, but as
you can see it's a total pain in the ass. (Games are supposed to be
fun, right?) This was a very bad design on Bethesda's part. Fortunatly
this aspect of the game can be safely ignored. You'll still do fine if
you only get a few points stat points per level-up. If you're not
content to just ignore it (and you're on PC) you might want to check
out Galsiah's Character Development, which overhauls the leveling
system. You really need to start a new character to use it though.

The mod can be found here:
http://uk.geocities.com/galsiah/

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Margo

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Since: Jul 27, 2007
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:57 pm
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Adam wrote:
> I really want to enjoy this game, but I am still confused by some
> annoying problems.
>
> First off, I am having trouble figuring out how to gain attribute
> bonuses without making the game extremely awkward. I've learned that
> I need to gain 10 skill points in a category to gain a 5x bonus.
> Thus, if I want a 5x bonus for three attributes, I must gain at least
> a total of 30 skill points. However, only 10 are required to level
> up. Thus, if I don't rest until I have three 5x bonuses, I am always
> way ahead on level advancement, and I can never rest without gaining a
> level and blowing a chance to bonus.
>
> I am also having trouble with magika. Since I am not resting, I can
> only gain magika through potions (unless there is another way?). I've
> raided all of the Mages Guild chests and bought-out all of the
> alchemists, but I never have enough magika to practice my willpower.
>
> I posted previously about my trouble gaining enchant skill. The
> responses to my post were very helpful, but I still find advancing the
> skill very slow. Even if I use enchanted items constantly while
> wandering around, it takes days to gain a skill point. In contrast, I
> can gain 5-10 weapon and armor skill points in just a few battles.
> Sneak and alchemy are similarly slow to learn.
>
> Overall I think I like the game. However, all of these issues are
> making the game seem more like work than play. I find myself fretting
> over weather I am doing well instead of enjoying the adventure!
>
> -Adam
>
Why are you in such a hurry? Why don't you just take time and look
around a bit?

Margo
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DeAnn

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:57 pm
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On Jul 29, 7:00 pm, Adam <sword... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I really want to enjoy this game, but I am still confused by some
> annoying problems.
>
> First off, I am having trouble figuring out how to gain attribute
> bonuses without making the game extremely awkward. I've learned that
> I need to gain 10 skill points in a category to gain a 5x bonus.
> Thus, if I want a 5x bonus for three attributes, I must gain at least
> a total of 30 skill points. However, only 10 are required to level
> up. Thus, if I don't rest until I have three 5x bonuses, I am always
> way ahead on level advancement, and I can never rest without gaining a
> level and blowing a chance to bonus.

In morrowind (as it was after the first few patches), you get good
bonuses by using your miscellaneous skills more than your major
skills. While one can play the game to get a max bonus of 5,5,5 on
each level up, it is NOT necessary to do so to do well in the game.
Any time you don't have 3,4,5s, you can always take luck (which is
never more than 1, but which helps all skills a bit) for one of them.
Myself, I take luck a great deal. You do want to rest as soon as you
are eligible to level because (I'm pretty sure) your bonuses do not
accumulate to the next level. This is different from Oblivion, where
you can defer leveling without penalty (at least for several level
ups). Some people train one skill 5-10 times after they level up to
ensure a good bonus for that skill, and then let the rest accumulate
"naturally". Another trick is to pick an attribute to raise, then
shift your play a bit to enhance that traite. For example, use a long
sword and jump a lot for one level up to get a better bonus in
strength, then shift to short sword and running a lot on the next
levelup to raise speed. I've been playing MW since it came out. The
only skill points I typically work on are trying to get some good
early bonuses in endurance (usually by training, but you can also
stand around and let rats or slaughterfish attack your armor) and to
choose luck even when I have a 3 available in some area. I use the
tag-team approach quite a bit (working long sword + jumping one level
up, walking around town sweet talking merchants to boost personality
on another level up, and so forth).

An alternative is to use one of the mods that changes the level up
system so that you don't have to pay attention to leveling at all.

>
> I am also having trouble with magika. Since I am not resting, I can
> only gain magika through potions (unless there is another way?). I've
> raided all of the Mages Guild chests and bought-out all of the
> alchemists, but I never have enough magika to practice my willpower.

Atronarchs can get magicka by praying at shrines (where they absorb
the spell). There are some mods that slowly restore your mana or that
have objects that restore your mana. Three Shades of Darkness is one
such mod (and by the time you find magick-restoring items you will
definitely feel you have earned them). What you need to do is to make
your own potions of magic restoration. Once you get pretty good at
alchemy, you can make some extra potions and sell them back to the
vendor to pay for the exotic ingredients you need to buy. Com berry
plus some of the salts restore magika. Another alternative is to
drink liquor that drains your intellect to zero. When your intellect
restores, you will usually get your magicka restored with it (but not
always). This is a cheap restore magicka that can also boost your
strength to help you carry out your loot. Note, you will still want
to have some real restore magicka potions because, like I said, the
liquor sometimes fails. If you have an time enchanted to drain your
intellect to zero, it will have the same magicka-refreshing effect.
Hmm, some people consider this to be taking advantage of the game
mechanics. Myself, I've done all of the above, but now I mostly use a
mod that slowly replaces magicka over time (akin to Oblivion's
approach).
>
> I posted previously about my trouble gaining enchant skill. The
> responses to my post were very helpful, but I still find advancing the
> skill very slow. Even if I use enchanted items constantly while
> wandering around, it takes days to gain a skill point. In contrast, I
> can gain 5-10 weapon and armor skill points in just a few battles.
> Sneak and alchemy are similarly slow to learn.
>
Hmm, I find alchemy really easy to increase. I have to contain making
potions to keep from leveling sometimes. Make about 20 restore
fatigue potions, and poof you've raised alchemy.

Sneak raises when you are near enough someone/something that could see
you, but does not. As your sneak improves, it gets possible to get
behind creatures to sneak up on them. Sneak is very hard to raise
from 5 or so, but pretty easy to raise when it's high enough to work
(30+).

> Overall I think I like the game. However, all of these issues are
> making the game seem more like work than play. I find myself fretting
> over weather I am doing well instead of enjoying the adventure!
>
> -Adam

Enjoy!
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JC

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Since: Oct 11, 2006
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:56 am
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> First off, I am having trouble figuring out how to gain attribute
> bonuses without making the game extremely awkward. I've learned that
> I need to gain 10 skill points in a category to gain a 5x bonus.
> Thus, if I want a 5x bonus for three attributes, I must gain at least
> a total of 30 skill points. However, only 10 are required to level
> up. Thus, if I don't rest until I have three 5x bonuses, I am always
> way ahead on level advancement, and I can never rest without gaining a
> level and blowing a chance to bonus.

Another option is to pick your main skills (the ones that count for your
level) to be skills you don't often use. You level up more slowly, and I
think that is a good thing since you level much too fast otherwise.

JC
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