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"Babe Bridou" <babebridou DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> ...on the official site.

Hint: Only on the american site at the moment. WoW-Europe.com doesn't
know anything about the priest talents&spells yet.

> _shadow word: death, instant cast, deals 500ish damage, if target isn't
> killed, priest takes equal damage

The name scared me
(Shadow word: Death, instant cast, kills the selected enemy)

> talents:
> on the discipline tree were the most interesting additions imo, there
> was that improved divine spirit, that gives the buffed target damage
> and healing equal to 5/10% of total spirit, there's this reflective
> shield, 10/20/30/40/50% of damage absorbed by shield reflected to
> attacker...

That's cool!

> on the holy tree, nothing too shabby, improved returns from +heal gear
> on GH and FH, prayer of renewal as ultimate (it's like an instant party
> renew with 15 yards radius), or the ability to cast a mana-free,
> instant smite after a critical heal or spell, and immunity to crits for
> 6 seconds after being the victim of a crit (no more two-shots).

I bet you like the free smite

> on the shadow tree, the dudes get a mana-intensive flash heal castable
> in shadowform, dark mending, improved shadow weaving that also improves
> other sources of magic damage, improved crits on SW:death and mind
> blast, and a spell protection talent as well.

I wonder if dark mending combined with vampiric embrace will lead to
(more) priests healing in shadow form.

> fire at will!

*gasps*
Now the only 2 classes whose talents & spells aren't available yet
are those 2 I care about :'(

Chris

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"Babe Bridou" <babebridou.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Cheer up, I'm also wondering how my gold farmer will turn out

I'm hoping (and I know it's silly and it won't come true, but
it's called "hoping" for a reason) for something like this:

41 points talent in Beast Mastery:
"Beast Mastery: While active, allows the hunter to control two pets
at the same time. All pet related abilities (mend, intimidate, ...)
become targetted spells. As controlling 2 beasts takes a lot of
concentration, the hunters chance to miss with all attacks will be
increased by 40%"

After all it's a shame that even in non-epic gear my pet does only
about 40% of our combined damage. I'm a beast master, not a ranger
with a sidekick.

Ow, and for the druid two new spells:
"Study Animal: Defensive. The druid studies a defensive animal
(bear, gorilla, turtle) and learns about its nature. Once studied,
the druids "Dire bear form" ability will transform him in in this
kind of beast"

"Study Animal: Offensive. The druid studies a defensive animal
(cat, wolf, crab, boar, raptor, wind serpent, spider) and learns
about its nature. Once studied, the druids "Cat form" ability
will transform him in in this kind of beast"

In fact, they would work just like the hunters train pet ability.
There's no in game reason why all druids in bear or cat form look
the same (per faction). Or why cat form has to be a cat and bear
form has to be a bear.

Chris

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Christian Stauffer wrote:
> Ow, and for the druid two new spells:
> "Study Animal: Defensive. The druid studies a defensive animal
> (bear, gorilla, turtle) and learns about its nature. Once studied,
> the druids "Dire bear form" ability will transform him in in this
> kind of beast"
>
> "Study Animal: Offensive. The druid studies a defensive animal
> (cat, wolf, crab, boar, raptor, wind serpent, spider) and learns
> about its nature. Once studied, the druids "Cat form" ability
> will transform him in in this kind of beast"
>
> In fact, they would work just like the hunters train pet ability.
> There's no in game reason why all druids in bear or cat form look
> the same (per faction). Or why cat form has to be a cat and bear
> form has to be a bear.

Now, that would be worth buying the expansion alone. Could you imagine
"forming" into a raptor? That would be hot. Course, a raptor wouldn't
have stealth. Hmmm, that would be alot of buttons to learn. Eh, that
would still be cool as hell though. "Forming" into Rak'Shiri... Woof.
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:19:16 +0200, "Christian Stauffer"
<wildcard666 RemoveThis @bluewin.ch> wrote:

>"Babe Bridou" <babebridou RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...on the official site.
>
>Hint: Only on the american site at the moment. WoW-Europe.com doesn't
>know anything about the priest talents&spells yet.

It was on wow-europe.com last night (at least the english site), I was
reading the info there then anyway.

>> talents:
>> on the discipline tree were the most interesting additions imo, there
>> was that improved divine spirit, that gives the buffed target damage
>> and healing equal to 5/10% of total spirit,

I like that a *lot*, was already looking at a spirit-mad build and this is
going to fit with it very nicely indeed.

>there's this reflective
>> shield, 10/20/30/40/50% of damage absorbed by shield reflected to
>> attacker...

Awesome soloing talent, as I use shield constantly solo - only trouble is
it's too deep for me to easily reach it, however while I'm levelling my
Draenei I may well throw enough points in Disc to be able to use it while
levelling and then respec at 70.

>> on the holy tree, nothing too shabby, improved returns from +heal gear
>> on GH and FH, prayer of renewal as ultimate (it's like an instant party
>> renew with 15 yards radius),

Very nice one there, wish I didn't like Disc so much that I can't get that
high in holy!

>or the ability to cast a mana-free,
>> instant smite after a critical heal or spell,

Also nice, I'm seriously tempted by it but I just can't quite reach it...
WTB lvl 80 please!
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"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM.DeleteThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

> It was on wow-europe.com last night (at least the english site), I was
> reading the info there then anyway.

Strange, maybe my webbrowser somehow cashed the website. Or the address
has changed and my bookmark has led me to the wrong page...

Chris

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"PGerringer" <PGerringer.DeleteThis@cybergatetech.com> writes:
>Christian Stauffer wrote:
>> Ow, and for the druid two new spells:
>> "Study Animal: Defensive. The druid studies a defensive animal
>> (bear, gorilla, turtle) and learns about its nature. Once studied,
>> the druids "Dire bear form" ability will transform him in in this
>> kind of beast"
>>
>> "Study Animal: Offensive. The druid studies a defensive animal
>> (cat, wolf, crab, boar, raptor, wind serpent, spider) and learns
>> about its nature. Once studied, the druids "Cat form" ability
>> will transform him in in this kind of beast"
>>
>> In fact, they would work just like the hunters train pet ability.
>> There's no in game reason why all druids in bear or cat form look
>> the same (per faction). Or why cat form has to be a cat and bear
>> form has to be a bear.

>Now, that would be worth buying the expansion alone. Could you imagine
>"forming" into a raptor? That would be hot. Course, a raptor wouldn't
>have stealth.

While we're making up Druid spells, how about this to hide in plain sight?

Blend In With The Herd
975 mana
30 minute cooldown
Castable only when in animal form

Removes player's overhead nametag for all other players. Beasts
that match player's animal form will be friendly. Dispelled if
player casts spells, takes damage, is healed, enters combat,
polymorphs, or is hit by a targeted spell. Lasts 5 minutes.

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"Babe Bridou" <babebridou.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158051518.977733.259180@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> ...on the official site.
>
> I can't browse it at work, but from memory, priests get:
> spells:
> _mass dispel, level 70 (15 yards radius, 5 friendly & 5 enemy targets)
> _bind heal or something, 1.5s cast, heals both target and caster for
> like 1200 life
> _shade warders, summons 3 shades to fight for you for 8 seconds, 5mins
> cooldown
> _shadow word: death, instant cast, deals 500ish damage, if target isn't
> killed, priest takes equal damage

Mass Dispel is kind of neat but we'll have to see how useful it really
is. If the new BG's are like AV and everyone is clumped together it could
be nice, and if new instances have heavy dispel encounters like MC it could
shine. The other spells are all pretty boring in my opinion, bind heal is a
neat idea but so overcosted that we will rarely cast it.

> talents:
> on the discipline tree were the most interesting additions imo, there
> was that improved divine spirit, that gives the buffed target damage
> and healing equal to 5/10% of total spirit, there's this reflective
> shield, 10/20/30/40/50% of damage absorbed by shield reflected to
> attacker...
>
> on the holy tree, nothing too shabby, improved returns from +heal gear
> on GH and FH, prayer of renewal as ultimate (it's like an instant party
> renew with 15 yards radius), or the ability to cast a mana-free,
> instant smite after a critical heal or spell, and immunity to crits for
> 6 seconds after being the victim of a crit (no more two-shots).

I am underwhelmed beyond words. How many endgame raid priests are
throwing around Greater Heal, or even relying on big Flash Heals with a ton
of +heal gear? The answer is very few, Greater Heal is too slow and it
doesn't *need* to be bigger, and Flash Heal is just not as efficient as Heal
rank 2. I don't want Smite, I'm there to heal and throwing mana away for
the odd smite here and there doesn't sound very effective or useful. "Oh
wow the priest did a whole 2000 damage out of that bosses 700K HP, how would
we ever have won without him?"
Crit immunity, the disc "shield wall", reflective shields... none of
that feels like the kind of talent I want as a priest. When I play my
priest I'm there to heal and be effective in helping the group win. NONE of
the new talents strike me as aiding us in being a raid healer or improving
our efficiency. I don't see anything that really helps us last longer, heal
more efficiently, or adds any new aspect to playing a end-game priest.

> on the shadow tree, the dudes get a mana-intensive flash heal castable
> in shadowform, dark mending, improved shadow weaving that also improves
> other sources of magic damage, improved crits on SW:death and mind
> blast, and a spell protection talent as well.
>

I find this a pretty boring way to finish the Shadow tree too. Sure,
Shadow Priests will be happy to throw some flash heals around, but is that
really the best they could do? It just feels to me like the designers took
the easy way out with that ability and they could have done something way
cooler.

Maybe I'm just sick of being a priest, I even quit my BWL guild when
they said I can't come unless I heal, and I'm playing my warlock more than
any other character. The warlock BC changes are great and open up so many
new possibilities for the class. I compare that to the priest changes and I
just don't see any real gains as a priest by leveling up to 70 and taking
the new talents.
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"Brian Westley" <westley.TakeThisOut@visi.com> wrote:

> While we're making up Druid spells, how about this to hide in plain sight?
>
> Blend In With The Herd
> 975 mana
> 30 minute cooldown
> Castable only when in animal form
>
> Removes player's overhead nametag for all other players. Beasts
> that match player's animal form will be friendly. Dispelled if
> player casts spells, takes damage, is healed, enters combat,
> polymorphs, or is hit by a targeted spell. Lasts 5 minutes.

Hehe, that's a nice idea

Chris

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Christian Stauffer <wildcard666.TakeThisOut@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> "Babe Bridou" <babebridou.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...on the official site.
>
> Hint: Only on the american site at the moment. WoW-Europe.com doesn't
> know anything about the priest talents&spells yet.

Yes it does:

http://wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/priest/spells.html
http://wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/priest/talents.html

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Jonathan wrote:
>
> I am underwhelmed beyond words. How many endgame raid priests are
> throwing around Greater Heal, or even relying on big Flash Heals with a ton
> of +heal gear? The answer is very few, Greater Heal is too slow and it
> doesn't *need* to be bigger, and Flash Heal is just not as efficient as Heal
> rank 2.

i just don't understand you "heal rank 2" people. its a garbage heal.
pre-priest patch i used max rank gheal all the time. post patch i still
use max rank gheal all the time. why? because it works. twin emps in
aq40 are a great example of gheal getting put to use. though im still
not happy with the changes to the priest, im still happy with her and
continue to enjoy raiding.

flash heal is fine when used for its purpose, which is quick small
bursts of health to mitigate fast paced damage to that without the armor
to absorb the damage, ie: leather/cloth wearers. obviously if you go
spamming it everywhere, you'll be oom in an instant.

i cant speak for other priests, but personally i rely on *nothing*.
however, with the +heal i have the advantage i do have is that my flash
heal does hit at a good 1400 w/2100 crits. gheal lands consistently for
2900 with crits just shy of 4400. i don't have stats, as i don't really
care enough about them, but i'd definitely say i do crit a lot though.

we don't have everything on farm, but we are an endgame guild. mc/ony
has been retired unless you want to go on an alt with our sister guild.
bwl is currently on farm status, with single night clears in about 2hrs
40mins. aq40 we're past the twin emps for a couple weeks now, working on
the next challenge. naxx we've only been twice, and sunday managed to
kill anub.

kim <3

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"Kimbelyn" <kimbelyn.DeleteThis@thezengarden.net> wrote:

> naxx we've only been twice, and sunday managed to kill anub.

Hey, same here! I managed to kill a noob as well sunday!

Chriscnr

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Kimbelyn wrote:
> Jonathan wrote:
>>
>> I am underwhelmed beyond words. How many endgame raid priests are
>> throwing around Greater Heal, or even relying on big Flash Heals with
>> a ton of +heal gear? The answer is very few, Greater Heal is too slow
>> and it doesn't *need* to be bigger, and Flash Heal is just not as
>> efficient as Heal rank 2.
>
> i just don't understand you "heal rank 2" people. its a garbage heal.
> pre-priest patch i used max rank gheal all the time. post patch i still
> use max rank gheal all the time. why? because it works. twin emps in
> aq40 are a great example of gheal getting put to use. though im still
> not happy with the changes to the priest, im still happy with her and
> continue to enjoy raiding.

[..]

There are a couple of reasons. It is in effect equivalent or better than
Flash heal, depending on your gear. And also it is extremely mana
efficient and only 0.5 or 0.6 seconds slower than flash heal.

I can virtually spam heal rank 2 endlessly and not run OOM. I bet you
can't do that with GHeal (when you abort each second cast). Face the
facts, it's just not feasible sometimes to have all healers charge up
long heals and abort them. Someone's got to be the one healing burst
damage away fast and that over a long period of time. Heal rank 2 allows
me to that while not needing additional sparse time to farm for rum tum
tubber and dark runes so I can pop for more mana between potions that
aren't free either. I can sort of flash heal spam for an eternety and
don't require to drink pots either, because it is so mana efficient.

Also you can proc' inspiration off heal rank 2...

However, if this bothers you, rejoiyce. For in BC, heal rank 2 is
subject to extremely diminishing returns, essentially not any longer
receiving +heal gear bonus, thus making downranking in the current form
infeasible.

Where did I get that from ? Well head to death n taxes forum, you'll
find it here: http://www.dtguilds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4433

CU

René
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:27:11 +0200, Rene <invalid.RemoveThis@email.addr> wrote:

>However, if this bothers you, rejoiyce. For in BC, heal rank 2 is
>subject to extremely diminishing returns, essentially not any longer
>receiving +heal gear bonus, thus making downranking in the current form
>infeasible.
>
>Where did I get that from ? Well head to death n taxes forum, you'll
>find it here: http://www.dtguilds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4433

Ooh, that's worth knowing. I hadn't got enough +heal gear to actually be
downranking yet (except just using lower ranks to prevent overheals, I'm
finding Greater Heal rank 4 is just too powerful on myself and my rogue
friend), and if that comes into play I think I'll not spend too much time
getting used to downranking if I get more +heal gear.
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