New NoR preview - conviction/second sight

Emmit Svenson wrote:
>
> Any notion what the "monster" will mean? Is it a category on some new
> cards, or it it a new definition that encompasses vampire, werewolf,
> etc? Perhaps anything not mortal is a monster?

i´d think monster would relate to anything non-mortal indeed. it would
fit the hunters´s PoV, at least.

cheers
Luciano "The Baital" de Sampaio
VEKN Anarch Baron de Curitiba
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The_Baital wrote:
> Emmit Svenson wrote:
> >
> > Any notion what the "monster" will mean? Is it a category on some new
> > cards, or it it a new definition that encompasses vampire, werewolf,
> > etc? Perhaps anything not mortal is a monster?
>
> i´d think monster would relate to anything non-mortal indeed. it would
> fit the hunters´s PoV, at least.
> cheers
> Luciano "The Baital" de Sampaio
> VEKN Anarch Baron de Curitiba

I like the "anything non-animal, non-mortal" hypothesis given by
someone (here? WW's forum? Presence forum? Path of Blood? can't
remember, too many forums )

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
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Not that I could think of any animal minions anyway... I think all
animals in the game so far are retainers.
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KlaitalSG DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> Not that I could think of any animal minions anyway... I think all
> animals in the game so far are retainers.

Demdemeh can make animal allies (out of retainers).
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Robert Scythe wrote:
> KlaitalSG.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> > Not that I could think of any animal minions anyway... I think all
> > animals in the game so far are retainers.
>
> Demdemeh can make animal allies (out of retainers).

.....and those are definantly monsters.

Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
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tobiasopdenbr....DeleteThis@notsocoldmail.com wrote:
> Text with the new card:
>
> 2. Conviction
> Conviction is a new card type. It is played in the untap phase, so it
> is an "untap" card, not a master or minion or discard (event) card.
> During your untap phase, you may play 1 conviction on each of your
> imbued. You may play these conviction cards from your hand or from your
> ash heap. When an imbued enters play with no conviction, he may gain 1
> conviction from your library, hand or ash heap. In addition to their
> own effects, conviction cards may be spent (burned) to pay the
> conviction costs which some cards require. Each imbued has a limit of 5
> conviction. Any conviction gained above five is burned instead.
>
> New card:
>
> Second Sight
> Type: Conviction
> An imbued may burn only one Second Sight for the following effects each
> action.
> Burn when a monster is acting to give this imbued +1 intercept for that
> action.
> Burn when this imbued declares an action to give monsters -1 intercept
> for this action.

Someone in whitewolf loves ruining abriviations for us. I mean, when I
say, "second" we usually think 2nd tradition, but now... Its just
like soak (not really).

> Note the 'from hand or ash heap' and 'may gain conviction from library,
> hand or asheap [on entering play]' in combination with a 5 conviction
> limit. Strong recursion and a good method to make a small expansion
> useful.

I'm a little concerned about this recursion. I mean, we've already
enough of it (anthelios). I fear some other strong recursive trick deck
archetypes are going to surface from this expansion. All the more trick
decky because of the 'ally' nature of the minions.

> Whether or not it is overpowered by nature or not - I don't think so.
> Really depends on the power of the convictions. Seems like a mechanic
> with high dependability though.

Dependent on what? Having an Imbued? Side note: How long till we see
Convictions for non-Imbued?

~SV
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Screaming Vermillian wrote:
> tobiasopdenbr... DeleteThis @notsocoldmail.com wrote:
> > Note the 'from hand or ash heap' and 'may gain conviction from library,
> > hand or asheap [on entering play]' in combination with a 5 conviction
> > limit. Strong recursion and a good method to make a small expansion
> > useful.
>
> I'm a little concerned about this recursion. I mean, we've already
> enough of it (anthelios). I fear some other strong recursive trick deck
> archetypes are going to surface from this expansion. All the more trick
> decky because of the 'ally' nature of the minions.

I dunno. Second Sight gives recursive intercept to the imbued, but any
transient intercept they get has to come in this sixty-card set - the
only reaction playable by allies that I can think of is Poison Pill.
They don't have access to standard wakes, so anything like that also
has to come in this sixty card set. Allies don't have terrifically
scary combat packages to deliver when they do block or an S:CE card, so
anything along those lines also has to come in this sixty card set. And
even if all that does happen, we just end up with another kind of wall
deck - I doubt it'll be any more effective than a No Secrets deck.

Or a hunter can, once per time around the table, play one card that
costs one conviction. He can save up over a couple turns to play a card
that costs two or more conviction. Unless there's a cheap and easy way
to gain extra conviction, it seems like a pure good to allow people to
get it back from the ash heap so they don't have to jam up their decks
with it in order to pay the costs of their cards.

> > Whether or not it is overpowered by nature or not - I don't think so.
> > Really depends on the power of the convictions. Seems like a mechanic
> > with high dependability though.
>
> Dependent on what? Having an Imbued? Side note: How long till we see
> Convictions for non-Imbued?

Probably never. Thematically, Conviction is a power source used only by
the imbued, like blood is a power source used by vampires. I mean, we
might get similar "Quintessence" cards that can only be used by mages,
or "Rage" cards that can only be used by werewolves, but these don't
seem terribly likely to happen any time soon. I mean, RPGwise, none of
the other supernaturals interact with vampires nearly as frequently as
the Imbued, (except maybespirits interacting with necromancers, and
that's really handled better in the game with Necromancy cards than
seperate minions).

> ~SV

John
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James Coupe wrote:
> In message <1143125218.310964.291740 DeleteThis @z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> lactamaeon <jnewquist DeleteThis @difsol.com> writes:
> >I dunno. Second Sight gives recursive intercept to the imbued, but any
> >transient intercept they get has to come in this sixty-card set - the
> >only reaction playable by allies that I can think of is Poison Pill.
>
> Political Backlash [Jyhad:C, VTES:C, CE:PV]
> Cardtype: Reaction
> Only usable when a referendum fails.
> The controller of the acting vampire burns 2 pool.

W00T!

Actually, looking further, they can also play Mob Rule, too.

That makes all the difference, man

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Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, lactamaeon wrote:
>
> >
> > James Coupe wrote:
> >> In message <1143125218.310964.291740 RemoveThis @z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> lactamaeon <jnewquist RemoveThis @difsol.com> writes:
> >>> I dunno. Second Sight gives recursive intercept to the imbued, but any
> >>> transient intercept they get has to come in this sixty-card set - the
> >>> only reaction playable by allies that I can think of is Poison Pill.
> >>
> >> Political Backlash [Jyhad:C, VTES:C, CE:PV]
> >> Cardtype: Reaction
> >> Only usable when a referendum fails.
> >> The controller of the acting vampire burns 2 pool.
> >
> > W00T!
> >
> > Actually, looking further, they can also play Mob Rule, too.
>
> An ally with a Kerrie can Bind the Night Walker. Far Mastery this!

PH34R MY BINDING P0\/\/3RZ NIGHT-WALKING BIATCHES!!!

> Matt Morgan
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, lactamaeon wrote:

>
> James Coupe wrote:
>> In message <1143125218.310964.291740.RemoveThis@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> lactamaeon <jnewquist.RemoveThis@difsol.com> writes:
>>> I dunno. Second Sight gives recursive intercept to the imbued, but any
>>> transient intercept they get has to come in this sixty-card set - the
>>> only reaction playable by allies that I can think of is Poison Pill.
>>
>> Political Backlash [Jyhad:C, VTES:C, CE:PV]
>> Cardtype: Reaction
>> Only usable when a referendum fails.
>> The controller of the acting vampire burns 2 pool.
>
> W00T!
>
> Actually, looking further, they can also play Mob Rule, too.

An ally with a Kerrie can Bind the Night Walker. Far Mastery this!

Matt Morgan
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In message <1143125218.310964.291740.TakeThisOut@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
lactamaeon <jnewquist.TakeThisOut@difsol.com> writes:
>I dunno. Second Sight gives recursive intercept to the imbued, but any
>transient intercept they get has to come in this sixty-card set - the
>only reaction playable by allies that I can think of is Poison Pill.

Political Backlash [Jyhad:C, VTES:C, CE:PV]
Cardtype: Reaction
Only usable when a referendum fails.
The controller of the acting vampire burns 2 pool.

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