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On Mar 11, 10:23 am, pc games <pcgamer23....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "John" story
> John enjoys very much PC Games

Is your name Borat?
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And thus spoke pc games...

> We know PIRATES are extremely damaging for PC Games cause they steal
> PC Games and by doing that reduce the so needed income developers need
> to stay in business and create more games.

That's not automatically true. First you will have to prove, that every
pirate would buy the game if he didn't have a chance to steal it.

> But are pirates the only ones that reduce sales and reduce income of
> developers?

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Sorry, but if you really believe it, you will have to buy EVERY GAME
that exists. And every car. And every magazine. Otherwise you damage the
gaming industry / car industry / the press. If your point was right,
every person who doesn't own a computer would damages the gaming
industry. But that's nonsense.

Luckily it's NOT the job of the gamer to maximize the profit of game
designers. That's the job of marketing experts. If the only way to make
a profit would be to make reselling or lending out games illegal,
they're doing something wrong.

Flo
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Quoth The Raven; pc games <pcgamer23708.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> in
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> We know PIRATES are extremely damaging for PC Games cause they steal
> PC Games and by doing that reduce the so needed income developers need
> to stay in business and create more games.
> But are pirates the only ones that reduce sales and reduce income of
> developers?
>
> Let me give you 3 example of "fictional" PC Gamers called "John",
> "James" and "Jim"
>
> "John" story
> John enjoys very much PC Games, he buys them all, one day a friend of
> his asked him to lend him a game he has cause he enjoyed very much the
> demo and he accepted it.
> By lending his game to a friend "John" reduced that games sale by one
> unit cause his friend should have instead bought his own unit
>
> "James" story
> James enjoys very much PC Games, he buys them all, but one day he
> decided to try out the 2nd hand market in one of his games in which he
> already made a backup for himself, so he sold one of his games in the
> used 2nd hand market to another PC Gamer
> By selling in the used 2nd hand "James" reduced that games sale by one
> unit cause the buyer should have instead bought it new
>
> "Jim" story
> Jim enjoys very much PC Games, but he decided that he would steal
> instead of buying PC Games, so he downloaded from an illegal site a
> commercial game
> By downloading an illegal copy "Jim" reduced that games sale by one
> unit cause the should have instead bought it
>
> Its clear the only pirate among the 3 is Jim, but at the end who did
> reduce sales for PC Games? All 3
> So what I'm trying to say is not only pirates reduce sales
> And don't forget the big problem in PC Games is exactly declining
> sales
> Using the used 2nd hand market and lending PC Games can be as damaging
> as piracy
> In practice even if "John" and "James" don't pirate they are reducing
> sales as much as "Jim" the pirate is
> So please next time you intend to use the Used 2nd hand market or lend
> a game to a friend think twice, think about PC Games declining and
> every sale unit counting
> Thanks and PC Games will appreciate

again, and why am I wasting time on you, I must say that while in all 3 of
your situations the company never received a dime, but I say they would
never have received a dime anyway.

situation 1; they demo'd the game. maybe the friend next game will purchase
it, however the company already received one sale for one unit.
situation 2; 2nd hand market... are you an idiot? the company already
received one payment for one unit when it initially sold.
situation 3; if the guy was poor in the first place he would never have paid
for it ever, so downloading still didn't detract a sale.

and you might have added the real culprit to game sales loss;
situation 4; mass copiers producing illegal copies of a game and selling
them cheap on local markets and car boot sales.


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> And thus spoke pc games...
>
>> We know PIRATES are extremely damaging for PC Games cause they steal
>> PC Games and by doing that reduce the so needed income developers
>> need to stay in business and create more games.
>
> That's not automatically true. First you will have to prove, that
> every pirate would buy the game if he didn't have a chance to steal
> it.
>
>> But are pirates the only ones that reduce sales and reduce income of
>> developers?
>
> <snip>
>
> Sorry, but if you really believe it, you will have to buy EVERY GAME
> that exists. And every car. And every magazine. Otherwise you damage
> the gaming industry / car industry / the press. If your point was
> right, every person who doesn't own a computer would damages the
> gaming industry. But that's nonsense.
>
> Luckily it's NOT the job of the gamer to maximize the profit of game
> designers. That's the job of marketing experts. If the only way to
> make a profit would be to make reselling or lending out games illegal,
> they're doing something wrong.
>
> Flo

I have to ask, as you say it isn't the developers business to sell copies,
but to produce a game. do the developers get paid for every game printed,
regardless if every copy sells? and don't the distributors get paid for
every copy put on shelves, regardless of if every copy on the shelf don't
sell?

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Life is short. Your post is long. Given your track record, don't think
I'll bother reading it.
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You're actually forgetting a few other toppings on the proverbial pizza
such as:

4) Bad retail products that can increase skepticism from sellers and
customers (ie Big Rigs Over the Road Racing, FBI Hostage Rescue and Midway
Arcade Treasure Deluxe, for starters)

5) Modifications for existing titles that can increase their longetivity
and 'reduce' the sales of 'inferior products'
(Baldur's Gate 2 vs Planescape could be considered an example)

6) Freeware titles (either from hobbyists or the original programmers and
publishers) that are as good as or better than their retail competition

Not to mention things like cookie cutter sequels, poor development and/or
marketing decisions (ie EA charging for cheats and patches; no [reset] key
in Sega's 'Smash Packs'), player mistreatment *cough*SWG*cough* and
aggressive copy protection methods.

In fact, I've supported so many companies and game series through my
purchases (ah, the wonders of shopping around) that I'd say I can do
without the latest and greatest for a while. If that makes me a 'pirate'
in your eyes then I'd say you need yours checked. I've got better things
to do with my time than waste it listening to another round of lies from
some facist pundit/mouthpiece.

Signed,
Warewolf
who wonders when botched DVD sets and (emulated) game compilations will be
a thing of the past.
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And thus spoke pc games...

> That is really what I'm saying
> Due to the decline in PC Game sales which is making less games being
> made and released we should try and avoid using the 2nd hand market
> and lending to friends cause both can reduce some sales

I knew that this was your point. And sorry, it's wrong. Extremly wrong.
First of all, you didn't prove that there's such a decline. And of
course, there a HUGE demand for video games. So video games WILL be
bought. If the industry has problems, than THEY will have to change
something. It's not the gamers job to throw money out of their windows
just to mask the errors of an industry.

> The job of a fan is to support his hobby

Is it? Nope. The gaming industry doesn't anything free for me. They want
money. If they would make games for free, I would gladly donate money to
them.

> PC Games fans support their hobby and one of the ways to support their
> hobby, PC Games is by protecting sales, cause only with good sales
> will developers keep doing more games in the future

You really don't understand the whole "supply and demand" concept, do
you? There's a huge demand for video games and so companies will
continue to supply. Simple as that. The idea that there won't be any
games anymore is, sorry, bullshit. If the sales really decline, there's
even a chance that the gaming industry starts making BETTER games
because they've to compete for a smaller market - competition is GOOD
for us consumers.

So I say: BUY LESS (NEW) GAMES. Support the competition. Make it harder
to sell games. Force them to produce quality, instead of quantity.

Flo
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pc games wrote:
> We know PIRATES are extremely damaging for PC Games cause they steal
> PC Games and by doing that reduce the so needed income developers need
> to stay in business and create more games.
> But are pirates the only ones that reduce sales and reduce income of
> developers?

Unknown and not provable.

In order to test your theory you would have to use a control, i.e. a
market where there is no piracy to see if your theory is true.

In the markets where piracy is not a major issue, like the cartridge
based game consols, there were still companies that won and lost.

That this type of argument is constantly used for: Nuclear winter, save
the rain forest or no new cure for cancer, global warming, ... bothers me.

What is wrong with just a moral and principled position like it is wrong
to engage in a certain behavior without trying to introduce adverse
consequences, like game companies going broke and no more G.I. Joe with
the Kung Fu grip? It should be enough to know there is such a thing as
intellectual property rights. How about just doing things because they
are the right thing to do?
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