The perfect Rogue

Madkaugh wrote:
> Peteofthenorth wrote:
> > I belong to the RGPA and play in the Ebberon
> > campaign setting of "mark of heros" through WOTC.

Not familiar with Eberron, so take what I say with a grain o' salt.

> > We just got a level bump to level 7 and I was wondering what I sould do
> > to make the perfect Rogue. I have a female elven rogue.
> > With 2 handed weapon fighting, 2HD Def. ,

Two weapon fighting? Using two short swords, or rapier/short sword?

> > And Weapon finesse. I have gauntlets of dex +2 to give her 20 dex.
> > Whave else should I do? What makes up a better rogue?

What *kind* of rogue? Combat oriented?


> Rogues are feat poor. I'd take a level of Swashbuckler and pick up Weapon Finesse

I think he already has Weapon Finesse.

> and two levels of fighter. Just for the feats.

Fighter is good. Feats are good.
It's too late now, but the munchkin in me woulda suggested a few levels
of fighter for the BAB and feats (or Ranger to get Two Weapon fighting
for free and have lots of skill points for hide and moving)

You could check out Shadowdancer (you need the Dodge and Mobility
feats, 10 ranks in Hide, 8 in Move silently and 5 in Perform (dance),
IIRC). Hide in Plain Sight is good.
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Joel Fischoff (Agent) wrote:
> On 30 Mar 2006 10:12:46 -0800, Peteofthenorth wrote:
>
> >Whave else should I do?
> >What makes up a better rogue?
>
> You're going to need to provide more information. It's not enough to say
> you want to be the "perfect" Rogue. Perfect Rogue for what? Sneak Attack?
> Trapfinding and disarming? Opening locks? Picking pockets? Finding out
> information?
>
> There are lots of things that a Rogue can do well. You need to tell us a
> bit more about the character's concept.
>
>
> Joel

In fact there is no perfect rogue, there's only the perfect Ninja!

LL
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Lorenz.Lang wrote:

> > On 30 Mar 2006 10:12:46 -0800, Peteofthenorth wrote:
> > >Whave else should I do?
> > >What makes up a better rogue?
> >
> In fact there is no perfect rogue, there's only the perfect Ninja!

I dunno, a female elf in leather sounds perfect to me right about now
<g>
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On 30 Mar 2006 10:12:46 -0800, Peteofthenorth wrote:

>Whave else should I do?
>What makes up a better rogue?

You're going to need to provide more information. It's not enough to say
you want to be the "perfect" Rogue. Perfect Rogue for what? Sneak Attack?
Trapfinding and disarming? Opening locks? Picking pockets? Finding out
information?

There are lots of things that a Rogue can do well. You need to tell us a
bit more about the character's concept.


Joel
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Ophidian wrote:
> Peteofthenorth wrote:
>
> >
> > We just got a level bump to level 7 and I was wondering what I sould do
> > to make the perfect Rogue. I have a female elven rogue. With 2 handed
> > weapon fighting, 2HD Def. , And Weapon finesse. I have gauntlets of dex
> > +2 to give her 20 dex.
> > Whave else should I do?
>
> Step one: Don't be an elf.

The automatic secret door finding is pretty nice if you are the one
with all the points in search. I've been really wishing the current
game I'm running the spellthief had been an elf instead of human, would
have found so much now. The favored class of wizard might be nice for
a dip, or possibly going toward arcane trickster or archer as well.

You also left out Dwarves - ton of bonuses, has autosearch on
stonework, good con, and really important - darkvision for sneaking
around and stabbing people in the back in the dark. Don't make the
best faceman rogues though.

Even half-orcs make good sneak/sneak-attack/combat rogues, with the str
& darkvision.

Even Gnomes are o.k. (although IMHO the worst of the core) with the
ghost sound & prestidigitation.

- Justisaur
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Peteofthenorth wrote:

>
> We just got a level bump to level 7 and I was wondering what I sould do
> to make the perfect Rogue. I have a female elven rogue. With 2 handed
> weapon fighting, 2HD Def. , And Weapon finesse. I have gauntlets of dex
> +2 to give her 20 dex.
> Whave else should I do?

Step one: Don't be an elf.
But I'll assume it's too late for that.

"Optimal" for rogues is generally human (extra feat and skill points)
or halfling (lots of kewl bonuses).

I've had some luck following the Dodge, Mobility, etc. feat tree...
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Ophidian wrote:
> Peteofthenorth wrote:
>
>>
>> We just got a level bump to level 7 and I was wondering what I sould do
>> to make the perfect Rogue. I have a female elven rogue. With 2 handed
>> weapon fighting, 2HD Def. , And Weapon finesse. I have gauntlets of dex
>> +2 to give her 20 dex.
>> Whave else should I do?
>
>
> Step one: Don't be an elf.
> But I'll assume it's too late for that.
>
> "Optimal" for rogues is generally human (extra feat and skill points)
> or halfling (lots of kewl bonuses).

Um... Check out Poison Dusk Lizardfolk. MMIII. Pretty damn nasty for
the +1 LA cost.

Goblins are also fantastic rogues.

- Ron ^*^
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> In fact there is no perfect rogue, there's only the perfect Ninja!

We're starting a new campaign in the next couple of weeks and I'm going to
see if I can roll up a Ninja Pirate!
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In article <442cadf0$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au>, elfbard69.TakeThisOut@iprimus.com.au
says...

> > In fact there is no perfect rogue, there's only the perfect Ninja!
>
> We're starting a new campaign in the next couple of weeks and I'm going to
> see if I can roll up a Ninja Pirate!

A female leather-clad ninja pirate?


--
Jasin Zujovic
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Jasin Zujovic wrote:
> In article <442cadf0$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au>, elfbard69.DeleteThis@iprimus.com.au
> says...
>
>
>>>In fact there is no perfect rogue, there's only the perfect Ninja!
>>
>>We're starting a new campaign in the next couple of weeks and I'm going to
>>see if I can roll up a Ninja Pirate!
>
>
> A female leather-clad ninja pirate?

A Space Pirate Assassin Ninja Catgirl?

- Ron ^*^
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Justisaur wrote:
> Ophidian wrote:
>> Peteofthenorth wrote:
>>
>>>
> Even Gnomes are o.k. (although IMHO the worst of the core) with the
> ghost sound & prestidigitation.
>
> - Justisaur
>

What use is prestidigitation, exactly? I don't really understand the spell.
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Werebat <ranpoirier.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote in
news:Nm%Wf.51680$YX1.3842@dukeread06:

> Ophidian wrote:
>> Peteofthenorth wrote:
>>
>>> We just got a level bump to level 7 and I was wondering what I sould
>>> do to make the perfect Rogue. I have a female elven rogue. With 2
>>> handed weapon fighting, 2HD Def. , And Weapon finesse. I have
>>> gauntlets of dex +2 to give her 20 dex.
>>> Whave else should I do?
>>
>> Step one: Don't be an elf.
>> But I'll assume it's too late for that.
>>
>> "Optimal" for rogues is generally human (extra feat and skill points)
>> or halfling (lots of kewl bonuses).
>
> Um... Check out Poison Dusk Lizardfolk. MMIII. Pretty damn nasty
> for the +1 LA cost.
>
> Goblins are also fantastic rogues.

Poison Dusk Lizardfolk aren't allowed in Mark of Heroes, alas.
You can be a goblin if you have the right campaign card, though.

-Ben Adams
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Benjamin Adams wrote:
> Werebat <ranpoirier DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote in
> news:Nm%Wf.51680$YX1.3842@dukeread06:
>
>
>>Ophidian wrote:
>>
>>>Peteofthenorth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>We just got a level bump to level 7 and I was wondering what I sould
>>>>do to make the perfect Rogue. I have a female elven rogue. With 2
>>>>handed weapon fighting, 2HD Def. , And Weapon finesse. I have
>>>>gauntlets of dex +2 to give her 20 dex.
>>>>Whave else should I do?
>>>
>>>Step one: Don't be an elf.
>>>But I'll assume it's too late for that.
>>>
>>>"Optimal" for rogues is generally human (extra feat and skill points)
>>>or halfling (lots of kewl bonuses).
>>
>>Um... Check out Poison Dusk Lizardfolk. MMIII. Pretty damn nasty
>>for the +1 LA cost.
>>
>>Goblins are also fantastic rogues.
>
>
> Poison Dusk Lizardfolk aren't allowed in Mark of Heroes, alas.
> You can be a goblin if you have the right campaign card, though.

Pity. They look like they rock as rogues.

- Ron ^*^
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