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Blackheart wrote:
> Desert Lurker wrote:
>
>
>>So plasitc BT shoulder pads are OK. Because they come in the box. Right?
>>
>>Ah But BT came out after BfM and so are restricetd on that ground?
>
>
> I'm interpreting it as John wants "plain flat unsculpted shoulder pads"

But it's more fun to mis-interpret!

> and Templars got plastic chapter shoulderpads? those cheesy gits!
They got a whole sprue torso, guns with chains,etc
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Desert Lurker wrote:
> John Hwang wrote:
>> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
>> You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
>> to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
>> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
>> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
>> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.

> So plasitc BT shoulder pads are OK.

Nope, not even close.

> Because they come in the box. Right?

They come in the Black Templar Squad box, NOT the Space Marine Tactical
Squad box.

> Ah But BT came out after BfM and so are restricetd on that ground?

Nope. BT are restricted on the grounds that they are Black Templar
Initiates, NOT Tactical Space Marines.


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Blackheart wrote:
> I'm interpreting it as John wants "plain flat unsculpted shoulder pads"

Pretty much.

The point of using a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine is to make the
models directly comparable. If you've got a Black Templar Initiate, a
Devastator, an Assault Marine, a cross-dresser, and a fur cape, they're
harder to compare.

> and Templars got plastic chapter shoulderpads? those cheesy gits!

Space Wolves got Chapter-specific torsos and bitz, too.


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Blackheart wrote:
> Desert Lurker wrote:
>>> and Templars got plastic chapter shoulderpads? those cheesy gits!
>>
>> They got a whole sprue torso, guns with chains,etc
>
> they better do the same with Ultramarines and Dark Angels then..

I'm sure the Dark Angels will get a DA-specific sprue when their 40k4
Codex comes out, just like the Black Templars.


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In article <im4Sg.10519$1.10410@trnddc04>,
John Hwang <JohnHwangCSI DeleteThis @cs.com.no.com> wrote:

> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>
> Entries
>
> 1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
>
>
> Highest weighted score on CMoN on January 1st, 2007 wins.

This would be an interesting challenge if it weren't for the CMoN aspect.
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Qrab wrote:
> John Hwang <JohnHwangCSI.TakeThisOut@cs.com.no.com> wrote:
>
>> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>>
>> Entries
>>
>> 1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
>>
>> Highest weighted score on CMoN on January 1st, 2007 wins.
>
> This would be an interesting challenge if it weren't for the CMoN aspect.

I threw the challenge together as fast as I could type it, so it didn't
get very much consideration. I just went with CMoN because it's
universally available with a scoring system. If you've got a better
idea, I'm more than happy to adjust.


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John Hwang wrote:
> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge

> Categories
>
> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter. You
> may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up to
> the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else Bolt
> Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.

I've settled on a model:

http://public.fotki.com/JHwang/wip/rgmw/

This is a Veteran Sergeant model built from the 40k3 Tactical Squad
boxed set, armed with Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. This model was built
to maximize painting opportunities:
- chainsword for bare metal
- bare head for flesh
- pouches for leather
- purity seal for parchment/cloth
- scope with lens
- large skull for bone

I'm still debating whether to add the Auspex and/or Grenades for little
extra texture and contrast color against the potential additional
"clutter" on the model.

Tho seeing it blown up 4x, I see that there are still a couple more mold
lines I'll have to clean up.


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John Hwang wrote:
> John Hwang wrote:
> > RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>
> > Categories
> >
> > 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter. You
> > may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up to
> > the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else Bolt
> > Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> > base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
> > cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
>
> I've settled on a model:
>
> http://public.fotki.com/JHwang/wip/rgmw/
>
> This is a Veteran Sergeant model built from the 40k3 Tactical Squad
> boxed set, armed with Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. This model was built
> to maximize painting opportunities:
> - chainsword for bare metal
> - bare head for flesh
> - pouches for leather
> - purity seal for parchment/cloth
> - scope with lens
> - large skull for bone
>
> I'm still debating whether to add the Auspex and/or Grenades for little
> extra texture and contrast color against the potential additional
> "clutter" on the model.
>
> Tho seeing it blown up 4x, I see that there are still a couple more mold
> lines I'll have to clean up.
>

I'll cite ya for violations already. That doesn't look like a stock
fig to me. The scope on the bolter is clearly aftermarket, as is the
helmet on the back (if I recall the 3rd edition properly). Just the
stuff that's on the sprue and is SUPPOSED to be attached to the model,
and no fancy additions (can't recall if that facial scar is stock, or
aftermarket).

D
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FunkyD wrote on 13 Oct 2006 04:42:08 -0700:

>
> John Hwang wrote:
>> John Hwang wrote:
>>> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>>
>>> Categories
>>>
>>> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter. You
>>> may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up to
>>> the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else Bolt
>>> Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
>>> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
>>> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
>>
>> I've settled on a model:
>>
>> http://public.fotki.com/JHwang/wip/rgmw/
>>
>> This is a Veteran Sergeant model built from the 40k3 Tactical Squad
>> boxed set, armed with Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. This model was built
>> to maximize painting opportunities:
>> - chainsword for bare metal
>> - bare head for flesh
>> - pouches for leather
>> - purity seal for parchment/cloth
>> - scope with lens
>> - large skull for bone
>>
>> I'm still debating whether to add the Auspex and/or Grenades for little
>> extra texture and contrast color against the potential additional
>> "clutter" on the model.
>>
>> Tho seeing it blown up 4x, I see that there are still a couple more mold
>> lines I'll have to clean up.
>>
> I'll cite ya for violations already. That doesn't look like a stock
> fig to me. The scope on the bolter is clearly aftermarket, as is the
> helmet on the back (if I recall the 3rd edition properly). Just the
> stuff that's on the sprue and is SUPPOSED to be attached to the model,
> and no fancy additions (can't recall if that facial scar is stock, or
> aftermarket).
>
> D

The scope is on one of the sprues in the tac box (the "upgrade" sprue that
has the special and heavy weapons, and other bits). Not sure about the head,
but it might be on the upgrade sprue too (you do get a helmetless head on
there). The helmet could just be a spare head glued on - if he didn't cut
the neck off, then he hasn't violated his own rules for this.

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Spack wrote:
> The scope is on one of the sprues in the tac box (the "upgrade" sprue that
> has the special and heavy weapons, and other bits). Not sure about the head,
> but it might be on the upgrade sprue too (you do get a helmetless head on
> there). The helmet could just be a spare head glued on - if he didn't cut
> the neck off, then he hasn't violated his own rules for this.

Meh, call me a purist, but I thought the point of the competition was
"vanilla" figs.

"Spare stuff guled on" sounds like mods to me.

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FunkyD wrote:
> Spack wrote:
> > The scope is on one of the sprues in the tac box (the "upgrade" sprue that
> > has the special and heavy weapons, and other bits). Not sure about the head,
> > but it might be on the upgrade sprue too (you do get a helmetless head on
> > there). The helmet could just be a spare head glued on - if he didn't cut
> > the neck off, then he hasn't violated his own rules for this.
>
> Meh, call me a purist, but I thought the point of the competition was
> "vanilla" figs.
>
> "Spare stuff guled on" sounds like mods to me.

Bah, what if someone heats the sprue itself up to sculpt some extra
details?

Wotcha gonna do then?

Huh?!
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FunkyD wrote:
> Meh, call me a purist, but I thought the point of the competition was
> "vanilla" figs.

It is. This is buildable from the 40k3 "vanilla" Tactical Squad set.

However, if I'm doing competition-level model prep and painting, I'm not
wasting it on a line trooper. I'm spending it on a basic Chapter Master
/ Veteran Sergeant.

> "Spare stuff guled on" sounds like mods to me.

Excuse me, but those are extra bitz that come with the models. They are
*supposed* to be glued on to the models to provide additional texture
and variety.


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donovan_borman.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> Bah, what if someone heats the sprue itself up to sculpt some extra
> details?

That would be a clear violation of the "NO sculpting" provision.

> Wotcha gonna do then?

I'd disqualify them from Category 1 and move them into Category 2, as
there is no question that the letter ("NO sculpting") and the spirit of
the rules were both violated.


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