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On Mar 5, 5:10 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
<tausti....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Erin <egofo....TakeThisOut@unh.edu> wrote innews:569989ed-a92c-4f23-8c6e-437bb93dfccd@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.
> com:
>
> > Dear all,
>
> > I apologize for the disruption to your group, but I am
>
> a subhuman spammer, who could only serve a useful purpose by lighting
> myself on fire.
>
> So, please, do so, spammer.
>
> --
> Terry Austin
>
> "There's no law west of the internet."
>     - Nick Stump
>
> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Ahhhh...that's a bit harsh- you don't know me. I'm not collecting
personal data; I'm just really trying to finish my dissertation. Such
anger...tsk tsk.
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On Mar 6, 7:34 pm, Seebs <usenet-nos....RemoveThis@seebs.net> wrote:
> On 2008-03-06, Erin <egofo....RemoveThis@unh.edu> wrote:
>
> > Ahhhh...that's a bit harsh- you don't know me.
>
> How can anyone claim to know anyone except through their actions.
>
> > I'm not collecting
> > personal data; I'm just really trying to finish my dissertation. Such
> > anger...tsk tsk.
>
> Well, you're also spamming.
>
> Also, any dissertation based on self-selected survey participants won't
> be worth the paper it's printed on.  Go take a 1st year statistics class..
>
> --
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All in this group. I apologize. I am not trying to offend/annoy
anybody. Please delete/skip over my message if it bothers you. As you
can see I am not just mass emailing and collecting all kinds of
personal information. I'm a 26 year old student at UNH. For my
dissertation, I needed to get participants online and there are not a
lot of resources available to do that. I did not consider this spam as
much as a plea for assistance. Further, my recruitment methods were
approved by a committee of people (one of whom has published a book on
statistics). Also, Seebs I teach statistics so I am well aware of self-
selection, which is why I am using specific recruitment procedures.
Again, I am sorry if I bothered you (and no, haha I will not set
myself on fire - I have too much to live for, thanks though).
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Erin wrote:

> Ahhhh...that's a bit harsh- you don't know me. I'm not collecting
> personal data; I'm just really trying to finish my dissertation. Such
> anger...tsk tsk.

No, it's not harsh. Do your dissertation work in an appropriate
forum. Or accept that the proper result of your survey is "I was
reviled, correctly, as a subhuman spammer and invited to set myself on
fire for the betterment of humanity."


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Erin <egoforth RemoveThis @unh.edu> wrote in
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com:

> On Mar 5, 5:10 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <tausti... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> Erin <egofo... RemoveThis @unh.edu> wrote
>> innews:569989ed-a92c-4f23-8c6e-437bb93dfccd@
> h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.
>> com:
>>
>> > Dear all,
>>
>> > I apologize for the disruption to your group, but I am
>>
>> a subhuman spammer, who could only serve a useful purpose by
>> lighting myself on fire.
>>
>> So, please, do so, spammer.
>>
>> --
>> Terry Austin
>>
>> "There's no law west of the internet."
>>     - Nick Stump
>>
>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
>
> Ahhhh...that's a bit harsh-

The truth often is.

> you don't know me.

I don't need to. Being a spammer is defined as spamming. You
spammed our newsgroup. Now go light yoruself on fire.

> I'm not
> collecting personal data; I'm just really trying to finish my
> dissertation. Such anger...tsk tsk.
>
Why you spammed is irrelevant. You spammed. That makes you a
spammer.

Now go light yourself on fire.

--
Terry Austin

"There's no law west of the internet."
- Nick Stump

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Erin <egoforth RemoveThis @unh.edu> wrote in
> news:af77bbdf-55e3-4370-a959-0d064a85a3bd@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.
> com:

>>I'm not
>>collecting personal data; I'm just really trying to finish my
>>dissertation. Such anger...tsk tsk.
>>
>
> Why you spammed is irrelevant. You spammed. That makes you a
> spammer.
>
> Now go light yourself on fire.
>

Most spammers probably don't have access to matches, or the knowledge
of how to use them.




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On 2008-03-06, Erin <egoforth.TakeThisOut@unh.edu> wrote:
> Ahhhh...that's a bit harsh- you don't know me.

How can anyone claim to know anyone except through their actions.

> I'm not collecting
> personal data; I'm just really trying to finish my dissertation. Such
> anger...tsk tsk.

Well, you're also spamming.

Also, any dissertation based on self-selected survey participants won't
be worth the paper it's printed on. Go take a 1st year statistics class.

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"Erin" wrote:

> Again, I am sorry if I bothered you (and no, haha I will not set
> myself on fire - I have too much to live for, thanks though).

ahhh... accckk... thhffft.... gawd. more spam... apologetic whiny spam too.

These aren't the droids you are looking for, Darth.

This is rec.games.frp.dnd, unless your spam is about game theory, RPG's,
fantasy roleplaying, or dungeons and dragons, it is irrelevant here.

Yahoo or Myspace, or or Facebook would be a much better place to recruit
guinea pigs for you online Frankenstien style statistics experiments.

Geez, where is Michael Scott Brown when we really need him?
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On 2008-03-07, Erin <egoforth DeleteThis @unh.edu> wrote:
> All in this group. I apologize. I am not trying to offend/annoy
> anybody. Please delete/skip over my message if it bothers you.

That doesn't work. You are making us all pay for the service that your
message is running on, same as any other spammer.

> As you
> can see I am not just mass emailing and collecting all kinds of
> personal information.

Not all spam is mass email. Posting things to Usenet can also be spam.

> I'm a 26 year old student at UNH. For my
> dissertation, I needed to get participants online and there are not a
> lot of resources available to do that.

Right. That doesn't mean you're entitled to hijack something else that
isn't a resource to do that, and use it as though it were.

> I did not consider this spam as
> much as a plea for assistance.

A plea for assistance, sent to the wrong place, over a broadcast medium, is
spam.

> Further, my recruitment methods were
> approved by a committee of people (one of whom has published a book on
> statistics).

Maybe you should find a committee of people who have ever heard of etiquette.

Is your post a discussion of D&D? If not, posting it here is decidedly
inappropriate.

> Also, Seebs I teach statistics so I am well aware of self-
> selection, which is why I am using specific recruitment procedures.

If they start by asking people to respond, I think you're doomed.

> Again, I am sorry if I bothered you (and no, haha I will not set
> myself on fire - I have too much to live for, thanks though).

I wouldn't expect you to set yourself on fire.

But, if you're serious about being sorry that you bothered people, why are
you getting all defensive and trying to justify your behavior? Why not,
instead, spend the ten minutes or so it would take to find out what Usenet
is, what "spam" is in the context of Usenet, and understand why your
decision does not meet with universal approval?

We all make mistakes. The secret is to accept criticism and investigate it,
rather than getting all defensive. Take it as an opportunity to learn
something rather than trying to prove your critics wrong.

Let's put this in perspective. I've been using Usenet since *before you
were born*. It is dimly possible that I might know something about it.

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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious.RemoveThis@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote in
news:47D08C1D.9000605@sgeObviousinc.com:

> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Erin <egoforth.RemoveThis@unh.edu> wrote in
>> news:af77bbdf-55e3-4370-a959-0d064a85a3bd@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.
>> com:
>
>>>I'm not
>>>collecting personal data; I'm just really trying to finish my
>>>dissertation. Such anger...tsk tsk.
>>>
>>
>> Why you spammed is irrelevant. You spammed. That makes you a
>> spammer.
>>
>> Now go light yourself on fire.
>>
>
> Most spammers probably don't have access to matches, or the
> knowledge
> of how to use them.
>
Maybe he'll get someone to help him. We can hope.

--
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"Dude, we're all your bitch, but only Ken's wearing the juice."
- tussock

"Just throw a rock, and what screams will probably be a moron."
- Elvis (no, not that Elvis)
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious RemoveThis @sgeObviousinc.com> wrote in news:47D08BED.5050001
@sgeObviousinc.com:

> Erin wrote:
>
>> Ahhhh...that's a bit harsh- you don't know me. I'm not collecting
>> personal data; I'm just really trying to finish my dissertation. Such
>> anger...tsk tsk.
>
> No, it's not harsh. Do your dissertation work in an appropriate
> forum. Or accept that the proper result of your survey is "I was
> reviled, correctly, as a subhuman spammer and invited to set myself on
> fire for the betterment of humanity."
>
"But was too stupid to figure out how to do so."

--
Terry Austin
"Dude, we're all your bitch, but only Ken's wearing the juice."
- tussock

"Just throw a rock, and what screams will probably be a moron."
- Elvis (no, not that Elvis)
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Seebs wrote:
> On 2008-03-07, Erin <egoforth RemoveThis @unh.edu> wrote:
>
>>All in this group. I apologize. I am not trying to offend/annoy
>>anybody. Please delete/skip over my message if it bothers you.
>
>
> That doesn't work. You are making us all pay for the service that your
> message is running on, same as any other spammer.
>
>
>>As you
>>can see I am not just mass emailing and collecting all kinds of
>>personal information.
>
>
> Not all spam is mass email. Posting things to Usenet can also be spam.
>
>
>>I'm a 26 year old student at UNH. For my
>>dissertation, I needed to get participants online and there are not a
>>lot of resources available to do that.
>
>
> Right. That doesn't mean you're entitled to hijack something else that
> isn't a resource to do that, and use it as though it were.
>
>
>>I did not consider this spam as
>>much as a plea for assistance.
>
>
> A plea for assistance, sent to the wrong place, over a broadcast medium, is
> spam.
>
>
>>Further, my recruitment methods were
>>approved by a committee of people (one of whom has published a book on
>>statistics).
>
>
> Maybe you should find a committee of people who have ever heard of etiquette.
>
> Is your post a discussion of D&D? If not, posting it here is decidedly
> inappropriate.
>
>
>>Also, Seebs I teach statistics so I am well aware of self-
>>selection, which is why I am using specific recruitment procedures.
>
>
> If they start by asking people to respond, I think you're doomed.
>
>
>>Again, I am sorry if I bothered you (and no, haha I will not set
>>myself on fire - I have too much to live for, thanks though).
>
>
> I wouldn't expect you to set yourself on fire.
>

Neither would I. Nor would Terry, he just suggests that spammers do;
he doesn't ever expect them to take the advice.


> Let's put this in perspective. I've been using Usenet since *before you
> were born*. It is dimly possible that I might know something about it.
>

And you're not the only one. I've been online AND playing *D&D since
several years before she was born. Usenet, not quite -- I didn't get
onto Usenet until the late '80s (if you were on it 26 years ago, you
must be one of the Originals, eh?)


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On 2008-03-07, Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious.TakeThisOut@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:
> And you're not the only one. I've been online AND playing *D&D since
> several years before she was born. Usenet, not quite -- I didn't get
> onto Usenet until the late '80s (if you were on it 26 years ago, you
> must be one of the Originals, eh?)

I was sitting on math books to reach the keyboard of an ADM3a to read
Usenet before the Great Renaming. Not all that long before, so it's possible
that I was actually only using Usenet while the OP was in diapers.

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> "Dirk Collins" <dirk.collins DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:

>> I think I would really enjoy a D&D or C&C gaming round
> > in an Irish Pub. Your adventures begin in a tavern... Hahahaha....

> I think I would enjoy a good strip club, more.

Yeah, but you don't like good beer. I think a strip club brewpub would be a
good compromise, if there is such a thing.

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How charged with punishment the scroll,
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I am the Captain of my soul.

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