It's official: Xbox360 is the next Dreamcast....

Stephen Edwards wrote:
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> As I recall, didn't the Dreamcast launch with virtually no equals, only
> to result in a lukewarm reception at best on 9/9/99?
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It was the biggest single day in entertainment sales ever to that point,
outpacing Phantom Menace's opening day take. Not exactly lukewarm.
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"Ted" <nospamforted.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Stephen Edwards wrote:
> snip
>> As I recall, didn't the Dreamcast launch with virtually no equals, only
>> to result in a lukewarm reception at best on 9/9/99?
> snip
>
> It was the biggest single day in entertainment sales ever to that point,
> outpacing Phantom Menace's opening day take. Not exactly lukewarm.

Are you saying that more consoles were sold in one day than movie tickets in
one day?

Or that the gross value was higher? But then it would be since a console
costs at least twenty times a movie ticket.

Sheesh.
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Dr Gordon Crowbar wrote:
> "Ted" <nospamforted.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>Stephen Edwards wrote:
>>snip
>>
>>>As I recall, didn't the Dreamcast launch with virtually no equals, only
>>>to result in a lukewarm reception at best on 9/9/99?
>>
>>snip
>>
>>It was the biggest single day in entertainment sales ever to that point,
>>outpacing Phantom Menace's opening day take. Not exactly lukewarm.
>
>
> Are you saying that more consoles were sold in one day than movie tickets in
> one day?
>
> Or that the gross value was higher? But then it would be since a console
> costs at least twenty times a movie ticket.
>
> Sheesh.

In the US it blew the records of the entertainment Industry (which
videogames are a part of) by selling a million units in less than 90
days. The PS1 took 1.5 years to sell a million in the US, and had only
broken 3 million by 1998 when the Saturn was discontinued. The phantom
menace comment was in regard to revenue generated, which again is the
standard by which the entertainment Industry measures success.

--
Scott

http://www.gamepilgrimage.com
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Scott H wrote:
>
> Dr Gordon Crowbar wrote:
> > "Ted" <nospamforted DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:4261CF24.74A29745@nospam.com...
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> >>
> >>Stephen Edwards wrote:
> >>snip
> >>
> >>>As I recall, didn't the Dreamcast launch with virtually no equals, only
> >>>to result in a lukewarm reception at best on 9/9/99?
> >>
> >>snip
> >>
> >>It was the biggest single day in entertainment sales ever to that point,
> >>outpacing Phantom Menace's opening day take. Not exactly lukewarm.
> >
> >
> > Are you saying that more consoles were sold in one day than movie tickets in
> > one day?
> >
> > Or that the gross value was higher? But then it would be since a console
> > costs at least twenty times a movie ticket.
> >
> > Sheesh.
>
> In the US it blew the records of the entertainment Industry (which
> videogames are a part of) by selling a million units in less than 90
> days. The PS1 took 1.5 years to sell a million in the US, and had only
> broken 3 million by 1998 when the Saturn was discontinued. The phantom
> menace comment was in regard to revenue generated, which again is the
> standard by which the entertainment Industry measures success.

And to be fair, the Phantom Menace's ticket sales represented a lot more
profit than DC harware sales (overall, at least; neither may have
represented a profit to the parent companies on the first day, altho
Sega claimed to make a dollar on every DC console from US launch, but
that's always seemed specious, like maybe SOJ was selling to SOA in such
a way as to give that appearance). Nevertheless, the DC was by far the
biggest video game sytsem launch to that time, in numbers of units and
in dollars. If 9/9/99 represented a lukewarm response, the reception of
every system launch previous to it was simply awful.
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Dreamcast took in (hardware, software, everything) about 95 to 97
million USD the day it was launched, iirc. outpacing Star Wars The
Phantom Menace by roughly 3x.

quite a feat - and this was done by a weakened Sega that was in
terrible debt.

think of how much stronger the Dreamcast launch (day) and launch time
period (first few weeks and months) would have been if SEGA was at
their full strength (1991-1993) when Genesis was kicking all sorts of
ass.
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Ted wrote:
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> Scott H wrote:
>
>>Dr Gordon Crowbar wrote:
>>
>>>"Ted" <nospamforted.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>Stephen Edwards wrote:
>>>>snip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>As I recall, didn't the Dreamcast launch with virtually no equals, only
>>>>>to result in a lukewarm reception at best on 9/9/99?
>>>>
>>>>snip
>>>>
>>>>It was the biggest single day in entertainment sales ever to that point,
>>>>outpacing Phantom Menace's opening day take. Not exactly lukewarm.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you saying that more consoles were sold in one day than movie tickets in
>>>one day?
>>>
>>>Or that the gross value was higher? But then it would be since a console
>>>costs at least twenty times a movie ticket.
>>>
>>>Sheesh.
>>
>> In the US it blew the records of the entertainment Industry (which
>>videogames are a part of) by selling a million units in less than 90
>>days. The PS1 took 1.5 years to sell a million in the US, and had only
>>broken 3 million by 1998 when the Saturn was discontinued. The phantom
>>menace comment was in regard to revenue generated, which again is the
>>standard by which the entertainment Industry measures success.
>
>
> And to be fair, the Phantom Menace's ticket sales represented a lot more
> profit than DC harware sales (overall, at least; neither may have
> represented a profit to the parent companies on the first day, altho
> Sega claimed to make a dollar on every DC console from US launch, but
> that's always seemed specious, like maybe SOJ was selling to SOA in such
> a way as to give that appearance). Nevertheless, the DC was by far the
> biggest video game sytsem launch to that time, in numbers of units and
> in dollars. If 9/9/99 represented a lukewarm response, the reception of
> every system launch previous to it was simply awful.

Also, if I recall, the Xbox and Gamecube sold just a little bit less in
the same time frame as the Dreamcast. Meaning that if the Dreamcast did
not have a measure of success, neither did the Xbox or Gamecube.

--
Scott

http://www.gamepilgrimage.com
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Coming out of the gate strong is meaningless when you fail miserably in the
long run.

<Radeon350 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dreamcast took in (hardware, software, everything) about 95 to 97
> million USD the day it was launched, iirc. outpacing Star Wars The
> Phantom Menace by roughly 3x.
>
> quite a feat - and this was done by a weakened Sega that was in
> terrible debt.
>
> think of how much stronger the Dreamcast launch (day) and launch time
> period (first few weeks and months) would have been if SEGA was at
> their full strength (1991-1993) when Genesis was kicking all sorts of
> ass.
>
 >> Stay informed about: It's official: Xbox360 is the next Dreamcast.... 

atarileaf wrote:
> Coming out of the gate strong is meaningless when you fail miserably in the
> long run.

Wait, you just stated that money doesn't mean jack. Money is the only
thing the Dreamcast failed to generate.

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Scott

http://www.gamepilgrimage.com
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Right. It failed to generate money, after the initial hoopla. You say thats
the only thing it failed to generate? Isn't that the most important thing?
If it had generated good money through its run, that would have been
indicitive of a good product that consumers wanted to buy. As it stood,
consumers saw better value in an N64 or PS1 then the Dreamcast and cast
their lots with one of those machines.

And I never said "money doesn't mean jack." I meant that it doesn't matter
how much you make in the initial months after release if you bottom out as
quickly as the dreamcast did. You think Sega got out of the console business
because they were MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY???


"Scott H" <sheathx013.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> atarileaf wrote:
> > Coming out of the gate strong is meaningless when you fail miserably in
the
> > long run.
>
> Wait, you just stated that money doesn't mean jack. Money is the only
> thing the Dreamcast failed to generate.
>
> --
> Scott
>
> http://www.gamepilgrimage.com
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Actually the Dreamcast launch wen't really well... they took in more
than $90 million on the first day.

It was not without problems. Some of the Midway games were glitched,
before people commonly knew about "the boiling trick". The Web browser
discs also had some problems and needed to be replaced.

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/18882/18882.html

http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/10/dc.problems/

- Jordan
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Not necessarily.... it's equally possible they have no taste in games.
:^)

"D00d! When is GTA coming out!??!" - prime example...

- Jordan
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You obviously haven't looked at the Xbox library... It has never been
heavy on PC ports and, in fact, it's generating games (like Splinter
Cell and Knights of the Old Republic) that end up being ported TO the
PC (not FROM the PC.)

- Back to playing Jade Empire... good luck finding that one on your PC.

- Jordan
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"Jordan" <lundj.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> You obviously haven't looked at the Xbox library... It has never been
> heavy on PC ports and, in fact, it's generating games (like Splinter
> Cell and Knights of the Old Republic) that end up being ported TO the
> PC (not FROM the PC.)

Yeah, but had the Xbox never existed, a lot of Xbox games would have been PC
games instead. The rest would've been PS2 games.
But Knights of the Old Republic would've been a PC game, so would Fable, and
Halo, and Splinter Cell--along with all the Tom Clancy games. Crimson
Skies, MechAssault...and so on.

I think that's the point he was trying to make. It's true, the Xbox has
hurt the PC games market.
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