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Since: Mar 09, 2005 Posts: 110
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:09 am
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I recall the Hero System big blue book included
campaign planning worksheets, where the
GM and players could work out what kind
of campaign they were interested in. Some of
the details included how serious the campaign
would be, what kind of morality could be
expected, how common superheroes were,
their power level, that kind of thing.
A new campaign detail that came to mind while
perusing character origin stories: how much
pressure is there on a PwP (person with powers)
to don a costume and take part in the struggle
between good and evil?
In a campaign with low pressure, you'd see
a lot of PWP's living quiet lives, perhaps
using their powers to subtly make their
work and home lives easier. If Michael
Chu can fly, but has no other superpower,
he might decide to just make his daily
commute to work easier and cheaper
instead of going through the effort and
risk of donning tights and robbing banks
or stopping bank robberies. Only PWP's
with really top-notch power combinations
would usually take on the role of superhero
or supervillain. If friends and family
discovered a PWP's superpower, they
might not think anything of him not roaming
the city in a colorful costume.
One effect of a low-pressure campaign
is that more "civilians" will be encountered
that are actually low powered (or even
high powered!) superbeings. That crime
boss with invulnerability and magic
fear powers might go around in a
three-piece suit and be called
"Mr. Ortega" instead of "Fearstone".
A high-pressure campaign and you'd
see people with any kind of power
donning tights. When taken to
ridiculous extremes you'd have
PWP's like The Proboscis (enhanced
sense of smell, that's it) and
TimeMaster (always knows what
time it is, really good at making
schedules) out there in costume. I
can even see a situation where so
many mediocre people don superhero
costumes that normal people - even
normal criminals - get very blase
about it.
Pressure could be simply a matter
of social norms - "everyone knows
that if you've got a power, you need
a costume to go with it" - to situations
like the Marvel Universe mutant stories,
where having a power puts you in danger
so you are impelled to develop that power
and throw in with other powered people.
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Walt Smith
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Since: Jun 28, 2006 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:53 pm
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firelock_ny.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> I recall the Hero System big blue book included
> campaign planning worksheets, where the
> GM and players could work out what kind
> of campaign they were interested in. Some of
> the details included how serious the campaign
> would be, what kind of morality could be
> expected, how common superheroes were,
> their power level, that kind of thing.
>
> A new campaign detail that came to mind while
> perusing character origin stories: how much
> pressure is there on a PwP (person with powers)
> to don a costume and take part in the struggle
> between good and evil?
>
There's also a consideration of what the official status of superhumans
is. In some settings super humans of any sort might be drafted either
into the police force or actualy into the millitary if there's a war on
and have no choice in the matter. Alternatively you could take a page
from what Marvel is doing now with there Civil War story line and have
the government require any superhuman who wants to fight crime be
registered with the government. That sort of thing will have a major
impact on the amout of presure on PwP and how they respond to it. If
there's a super human draft some people who wish to avoid the draft
will be forced to keep the very fact that they have powers a secret.
OTOH if you have athorities who treat super human crime fighters as
good samaritans and more or less encorages them then regardless of the
presure to put on a costume any super human will be likely to help out
if they run across a crime in progress even if they aren't a formal
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:09 pm
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Rick Pikul wrote:
> A related concern would be the attitude towards the costumes themselves.
> Is the norm brightly coloured spandex, or does the typical super don body
> armour in urban camoflage colours?
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> IMCs, I have tended towards the latter with a few exceptions: You have
> the folks who read too many comic books, you have some who are doing it
> for the psychological 'bump' and to push a reaction of 'look, it's a
> superhero!', and those who may as well wear the spandex because when they
> power up people know about it two counties over.
Then there will be the odd supers who don't have a
choice when it comes to costumes - the Fantastic
Four from Marvel's Ultimate line comes to mind, as
do some of the Green Lanterns and Ralph Hinkley
from The Greatest American Hero. If someone
else made the costume and it has powers or some
other advantage the super values, he'll keep wearing
it even if it is a bit over the top.
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Walt Smith
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:08 am
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:09:48 -0700, firelock_ny wrote:
> A new campaign detail that came to mind while
> perusing character origin stories: how much
> pressure is there on a PwP (person with powers)
> to don a costume and take part in the struggle
> between good and evil?
A related concern would be the attitude towards the costumes themselves.
Is the norm brightly coloured spandex, or does the typical super don body
armour in urban camoflage colours?
IMCs, I have tended towards the latter with a few exceptions: You have
the folks who read too many comic books, you have some who are doing it
for the psychological 'bump' and to push a reaction of 'look, it's a
superhero!', and those who may as well wear the spandex because when they
power up people know about it two counties over.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:31 am
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firelock_ny RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> Rick Pikul wrote:
> > IMCs, I have tended towards the latter with a few exceptions: You have
> > the folks who read too many comic books, you have some who are doing it
> > for the psychological 'bump' and to push a reaction of 'look, it's a
> > superhero!', and those who may as well wear the spandex because when they
> > power up people know about it two counties over.
And people who are so powerful that they can just wear whatever
they want. Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen comes to mind. He
never really saw the point of clothing, and eventually stopped
giving in to society's dictates and just went nude. Sort of like
my pal Bill Svitavsky's idea for a new DC event - Superman
Nude! The Man of Steel has no need of clothing, so why
not make him a nudist? I thank God every day that Bill
never actually pitched this story to DC, because I'm not
at all sure they would've rejected it.
> Then there will be the odd supers who don't have a
> choice when it comes to costumes - the Fantastic
> Four from Marvel's Ultimate line comes to mind,
What are their costumes like? Did the Ultimate
version of Reed invent unstable molecules? I
vaguely recall Hank Pym bursting out of his
costume when he grew, but did Janet end up
nekkid when she shrank? I should really check
out the Ultimate line one of these days.
> as
> do some of the Green Lanterns and Ralph Hinkley
> from The Greatest American Hero. If someone
> else made the costume and it has powers or some
> other advantage the super values, he'll keep wearing
> it even if it is a bit over the top.
There was a good story in a compilation along those
lines. A lost hiker runs into a mysterious prospector
who wants to give him a magical costume that will
let him be a superhero. It's powered by an ancient
Eastern symbol, and whosoever dons it shall become...
CAPTAIN SWASTIKA!!
With a big ol' swastika on the chest, of course.
The hiker turned him down flat, but I always thought
that'd be a cool concept for a superhero. What if
you had a super-suit that allowed you to save lives,
but for some reason (magic makes the most sense)
there was a swastika on it that had to remain visible
or you lost your powers? No matter how many lives
you saved, no matter how many times you explained
things to the media, I'd imagine there'd be lots and
lots and lots of people who would demand that you
stop wearing the costume. Make for some interesting
disadvantages.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:34 am
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Peter Meilinger wrote:
> firelock_ny.RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Then there will be the odd supers who don't have a
> > choice when it comes to costumes - the Fantastic
> > Four from Marvel's Ultimate line comes to mind,
>
> What are their costumes like? Did the Ultimate
> version of Reed invent unstable molecules?
I only read the origin issue, but assuming I have
the right retelling of the FF: Reed is a whiz-kid
teenager, he and his friends are working for the
Baxter foundation, they're wearing these jumpsuits
when a negative zone dimensional rift event
happens. They get changed, their jumpsuits
change in a way that lets the fabric adapt to
their powers. I don't think Reed invented his
famous unstable molecules, or at least not
yet.
Or am I conflating this with the movie version?
MAKE WAY FOR CAPTAIN SWASTIKA!!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:02 pm
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Rick Pikul wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:09:48 -0700, firelock_ny wrote:
>
> > A new campaign detail that came to mind while
> > perusing character origin stories: how much
> > pressure is there on a PwP (person with powers)
> > to don a costume and take part in the struggle
> > between good and evil?
>
> A related concern would be the attitude towards the costumes themselves.
> Is the norm brightly coloured spandex, or does the typical super don body
> armour in urban camoflage colours?
Of course there's always the question of what constitues urban
camoflage for someone who can fly or stick to walls. After all what
fits as urban camo on street level won't work so well up among the
brightly lit bilboards and neon signs of some urban areas. Come to
think of it regular urban camo probably wouldn't work at street level
in places like the Vegas Strip.
Then there's the team Brick who'se already bullet proof so he won't
bother with body armor cause it wouldn't be much help against the sorts
of things that can hurt him. (lets face it if you can already stand up
to a bazoka a bullet proof vest wont be much extra help.) He may still
dress in spandex for the freedom of movement it gives, and may opt for
garish collors so he can draw fire away from his more fragile
comerades.
>
> IMCs, I have tended towards the latter with a few exceptions: You have
> the folks who read too many comic books, you have some who are doing it
> for the psychological 'bump' and to push a reaction of 'look, it's a
> superhero!', and those who may as well wear the spandex because when they
> power up people know about it two counties over.
>
>
> --
> Phoenix
Then theres the matter of being recognized by the athorities. One
reason for cops having uniforms and badges is so everyone can tell who
the good guys are when trouble starts. A super hero may want to dress
in a visible and distinctive way to tell people "I'm a good guy not
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:58 am
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:09:00 -0700, firelock_ny wrote:
> Then there will be the odd supers who don't have a
> choice when it comes to costumes - the Fantastic
> Four from Marvel's Ultimate line comes to mind, as
> do some of the Green Lanterns and Ralph Hinkley
> from The Greatest American Hero. If someone
> else made the costume and it has powers or some
> other advantage the super values, he'll keep wearing
> it even if it is a bit over the top.
I tend to think of those as being under the same category as those who
don't wear costumes because they have a body that is living
magma/metal/energy/etc.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:17 am
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:02:52 -0700, Richard Brown wrote:
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> Rick Pikul wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:09:48 -0700, firelock_ny wrote:
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>> > A new campaign detail that came to mind while
>> > perusing character origin stories: how much
>> > pressure is there on a PwP (person with powers)
>> > to don a costume and take part in the struggle
>> > between good and evil?
>>
>> A related concern would be the attitude towards the costumes themselves.
>> Is the norm brightly coloured spandex, or does the typical super don body
>> armour in urban camoflage colours?
>
> Of course there's always the question of what constitues urban
> camoflage for someone who can fly or stick to walls. After all what
> fits as urban camo on street level won't work so well up among the
> brightly lit bilboards and neon signs of some urban areas. Come to
> think of it regular urban camo probably wouldn't work at street level
> in places like the Vegas Strip.
When you go the camo route, you use whatever is right.
> Then there's the team Brick who'se already bullet proof so he won't
> bother with body armor cause it wouldn't be much help against the sorts
> of things that can hurt him. (lets face it if you can already stand up
> to a bazoka a bullet proof vest wont be much extra help.) He may still
> dress in spandex for the freedom of movement it gives, and may opt for
> garish collors so he can draw fire away from his more fragile
> comerades.
That's why I said "typical super", those that don't need armour can ditch
it and those who's powers call for a different camo type can use that.
Heck, in my last campaign, (which died too early for external reasons),
things were forming up that the question of "what to wear?" only mattered
for one guy of the five:
3 didn't wear anything, (dragon, plastic shapeshifter, and a guy who
became living magma).
1 stayed in civvies, (telekenetic with good range).
But that game would have had to answer the question in play, it was a
'supers are new' setting.
>> IMCs, I have tended towards the latter with a few exceptions: You
>> have
>> the folks who read too many comic books, you have some who are doing it
>> for the psychological 'bump' and to push a reaction of 'look, it's a
>> superhero!', and those who may as well wear the spandex because when
>> they power up people know about it two counties over.
>>
>>
> Then theres the matter of being recognized by the athorities. One
> reason for cops having uniforms and badges is so everyone can tell who
> the good guys are when trouble starts. A super hero may want to dress
> in a visible and distinctive way to tell people "I'm a good guy not some
> crook skulking in the shadows."
As I said, that was an IMC bit. Supers who are on good terms with the
cops in the superhero campaigns I have ran have tended to be in one of
three groups: Cops themselves, (and thus wear police uniforms), military,
(again uniformed), or from a 'do-gooder' branch of a nascent megacorp,
(who also had distinctive badges for heroing work, and the PCs in the
campaign where it mattered were seconded to the police anyway).
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:55 am
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Richard Brown wrote:
> Then there's the team Brick who'se already bullet proof so he won't
> bother with body armor cause it wouldn't be much help against the sorts
> of things that can hurt him. (lets face it if you can already stand up
> to a bazoka a bullet proof vest wont be much extra help.) He may still
> dress in spandex for the freedom of movement it gives, and may opt for
> garish collors so he can draw fire away from his more fragile
> comerades.
Batman: "That's why I wear a bright-colored target
on my chest - it draws fire, and it's easier to armor
my chest than my head."
This comment may also explain why Batman
dresses his sidekick in bright-colored costumes.
Especially if he bought his sidekick with the
charges limitation, so it's easy to get more.
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Walt Smith
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:14 am
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Once upon a 21 Jun 2006 10:55:51 -0700 dreary...over many a quaint and
curious rec.games.frp.super-heroes of forgotten lore... quoth
firelock_ny.RemoveThis@hotmail.com...
>This comment may also explain why Batman
>dresses his sidekick in bright-colored costumes.
>Especially if he bought his sidekick with the
>charges limitation, so it's easy to get more.
Sidekick with Charges?!?
Somehow, I don't want to think about that too closely.
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