my naval units keep losing

kuyper.DeleteThis@wizard.net wrote:
>robert underhill wrote:
>> The AI's caravels always sink my frigates. The AI's galleys regularly
>> sink my frigates. Not only that, the AI's goddam galleons regularly
>> sink my frigates. Galleons are unarmed, right? And ironclads aren't
>> much better. I've learned never to go into a naval battle unless the
>> disparity is absurd (destroyer against galleon, e.g.) or I've softened
>> up the enemy ship by bombarding it with cannons from onshore. What is
>> going on? Why do the human player's naval units almost always lose, and
>> is there a fix?
>
>Despite the name of this newsgroup, most of the messages I see here are
>about Civ4. I'm familiar with CIv II, Civ III, and CivCTP, but not Civ
>4, so if your question was about Civ4, my answer might not be correct.
>
>In my experience, in Civ III human naval units can defeat AI units as
>easily as vice versa.. However, the key is to attack first. In sea
>combat, the attacker has a big advantage. If I see an enemy ship, I
>always try to either attack it this turn, or make sure that my ship is
>out of the enemy's movement range by the end of the turn. If you let
>them attack you first, you'll often lose.

Frigates have defense 2, don´t they? Would be no wonder if they sink
half of the time when thery´re attacked by a offensive 2 (aka galley,
right? or was galley a strength 1?) unit. always pissed me off when my
privateers were sunk.

Use battleships ))
Cu
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In article <1156853597.879816.105770 RemoveThis @i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
kuyper RemoveThis @wizard.net writes
>robert underhill wrote:
>> The AI's caravels always sink my frigates. The AI's galleys regularly
>> sink my frigates. Not only that, the AI's goddam galleons regularly
>> sink my frigates. Galleons are unarmed, right? And ironclads aren't
>> much better. I've learned never to go into a naval battle unless the
>> disparity is absurd (destroyer against galleon, e.g.) or I've softened
>> up the enemy ship by bombarding it with cannons from onshore. What is
>> going on? Why do the human player's naval units almost always lose, and
>> is there a fix?
>
>Despite the name of this newsgroup, most of the messages I see here are
>about Civ4. I'm familiar with CIv II, Civ III, and CivCTP, but not Civ
>4, so if your question was about Civ4, my answer might not be correct.
>
>In my experience, in Civ III human naval units can defeat AI units as
>easily as vice versa.. However, the key is to attack first. In sea
>combat, the attacker has a big advantage. If I see an enemy ship, I
>always try to either attack it this turn, or make sure that my ship is
>out of the enemy's movement range by the end of the turn. If you let
>them attack you first, you'll often lose.
>
In Civ 4, the 10% coastal defence bonus means that attacking an exactly
equal enemy located in a coastal square will lose your ship more than
half the time.

David
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David Littlewood wrote:
> In article <1156853597.879816.105770.DeleteThis@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> kuyper.DeleteThis@wizard.net writes
....
> >In my experience, in Civ III human naval units can defeat AI units as
> >easily as vice versa.. However, the key is to attack first. In sea
> >combat, the attacker has a big advantage. If I see an enemy ship, I
> >always try to either attack it this turn, or make sure that my ship is
> >out of the enemy's movement range by the end of the turn. If you let
> >them attack you first, you'll often lose.
> >
> In Civ 4, the 10% coastal defence bonus means that attacking an exactly
> equal enemy located in a coastal square will lose your ship more than
> half the time.

We've been talking about ship-to-ship combat. Does a ship near a
coatline qualify for this bonus? Offhand, I'd have expected such a
bonus only for land units defending against shore bombardment by ships.
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In article <1156906246.984934.222700.TakeThisOut@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
kuyper.TakeThisOut@wizard.net writes
>David Littlewood wrote:
>> In article <1156853597.879816.105770.TakeThisOut@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> kuyper.TakeThisOut@wizard.net writes
>...
>> >In my experience, in Civ III human naval units can defeat AI units as
>> >easily as vice versa.. However, the key is to attack first. In sea
>> >combat, the attacker has a big advantage. If I see an enemy ship, I
>> >always try to either attack it this turn, or make sure that my ship is
>> >out of the enemy's movement range by the end of the turn. If you let
>> >them attack you first, you'll often lose.
>> >
>> In Civ 4, the 10% coastal defence bonus means that attacking an exactly
>> equal enemy located in a coastal square will lose your ship more than
>> half the time.
>
>We've been talking about ship-to-ship combat. Does a ship near a
>coatline qualify for this bonus? Offhand, I'd have expected such a
>bonus only for land units defending against shore bombardment by ships.
>
Yes, I should have made it clear that this is a bonus applying to ships
in coastal squares. I don't understand the logic of this, since
historical experience (Salamis, the Nile) suggests that defending units
close to a coast are at a disadvantage, unless of course they derive
protection from their own sides' coastal guns.

David
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In article <1156853597.879816.105770.DeleteThis@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
kuyper.DeleteThis@wizard.net wrote:

> robert underhill wrote:
> > The AI's caravels always sink my frigates. The AI's galleys regularly
> > sink my frigates. Not only that, the AI's goddam galleons regularly
> > sink my frigates. Galleons are unarmed, right? And ironclads aren't
> > much better. I've learned never to go into a naval battle unless the
> > disparity is absurd (destroyer against galleon, e.g.) or I've softened
> > up the enemy ship by bombarding it with cannons from onshore. What is
> > going on? Why do the human player's naval units almost always lose, and
> > is there a fix?
>
> Despite the name of this newsgroup, most of the messages I see here are
> about Civ4. I'm familiar with CIv II, Civ III, and CivCTP, but not Civ
> 4, so if your question was about Civ4, my answer might not be correct.
>
> In my experience, in Civ III human naval units can defeat AI units as
> easily as vice versa.. However, the key is to attack first. In sea
> combat, the attacker has a big advantage. If I see an enemy ship, I
> always try to either attack it this turn, or make sure that my ship is
> out of the enemy's movement range by the end of the turn. If you let
> them attack you first, you'll often lose.

I'm talking about Civ3, haven't seen Civ4 (I don't believe it has
shipped yet for the Mac). In a combat between equals, eg frigate to
frigate or caravel to caravel, my unit always loses. It doesn't make a
difference whether I attack first or the AI does; in fact I usually make
a point of attacking first, but my unit still loses, and that's true
even if my unit is bigger than the other guy. That's until you get to
battleships, of course, but by that point I'm either way ahead of the
AI's or they are so far ahead of me that I'm not trying.

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