I cant get moo2 to work on WinXP

"David Johnston" <rgorman DeleteThis @telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:06:47 -0500, "deowll" <deowll DeleteThis @bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
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>>"David Johnston" <rgorman DeleteThis @telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:07:50 -0500, "deowll" <deowll DeleteThis @bellsouth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It has been a while since I played that game, but as I recall,
>>>>> torpedos were effective when used as intended, which is to say sniping
>>>>> at long range to stay out of the range of the opposition's beam
>>>>> weapons, ideally cloaked between shots.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That works great against the computers with phasing cloak and no other
>>>>weapon. If you pull that stunt on a human they can go eat lunch, take a
>>>>bath
>>>>and go to bed rather than let you get the free shot. Tie game.
>>>
>>> I don't understand what you are saying, perhaps because I've never
>>> played against a human.
>>>
>>
>>Me neither but I remember when this was a hot news group and even have
>>some
>>old files. In the patched game with initatiive on your tech level in
>>certain
>>areas determine who shoots first. If you show up with an invisible fleet
>>or
>>the human player notices invisible ships they don't have to click done on
>>all their ships and you can't do anything. The game is hung.
>
> Uh... Why would he do that?
>
At one time they banned phasing cloak during human to human play. I'm not
sure if they still do or not. Without turn doubler it isn't all that hot. It
can work though. I just finished a game in which I didn't build a ship that
used a beam. Started with missiles and ended up with plasma webs and torps.
Oops! I got solar converter from the other side and did use a few in the
100+ fleet that took out anteries. They did speed things up a little but I
truly doubt if they were needed. It was raining torps and plasma webs. I
left the two human systems.

To be fair in this game I could have taken them with missiles alone. Nobody
developed heavy planetary shields. I ended up Imperium warlord with most of
the planets before I started shooting. Feudal won't hack it once that
happens and neither will democratic. I'm sure I let the game run a lot
longer than I needed to. I could have just run up the missile tree and blown
everybody away. You can sometimes get away with junk like that in young
galaxy early start when you play lith tol. The AI did get some decent
computers which I acquired and didn't use. The numbers were all on my side.
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"Good luck on getting them on the first shot."

well....add a battlescanner and some pd if u want ini. ini is
fine...but not always decisive in MP.

"I do used merve missiles in the second slot with the first being a few
non merv meant to absorb fire along
with the two shot option and the two shots at once option."

these tactics are well known...nevertheless...a good comp gives u
option to shot down missiles from distance. (and thats more important
than the lightning field which is not that useful.
actually any non-crea race should research warp ints.)

"I know that in the patched game two of the things that determine who
gets the first shot is beam tech and computer tech."

not beam tech. ini value is BOCV/10+COMBAT SPEED. and when u research
torps....u have also nice option to get ini with hyper drive or
megafluxers (empty space improves combat speed)
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AFAIK just one side decloacks after 10 turns. Because of this bug
phasing cloack is banned in MP games.
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heh? u have mirv nukes earlier than fighter bays?

Rhull is mostly preferred.....monster has to be nice....thats true....
but fighter bays nice option for tech races which can eliminate monster
early (turn25) and which has early shields...

Fighter bays are also nice for uni tol which is quite productive with
early monster.
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Well....dont underestimate feudal......very nice to blitz with such
races.........feudal omni transd tele for example
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Sounds like the AI is no challenge for u. Join our kali moo2 leagues
then

We have still 40-50 active players there.
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"siron" <kakophoniker RemoveThis @gmx.de> wrote in message
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> "Good luck on getting them on the first shot."
>
> well....add a battlescanner and some pd if u want ini. ini is
> fine...but not always decisive in MP.
>
> "I do used merve missiles in the second slot with the first being a few
> non merv meant to absorb fire along
> with the two shot option and the two shots at once option."
>
> these tactics are well known...nevertheless...a good comp gives u
> option to shot down missiles from distance. (and thats more important
> than the lightning field which is not that useful.
> actually any non-crea race should research warp ints.)

And researching them is going to cost you some very valuable options so that
normally waits until fairly late in the game for me. With a human player
about to go to war you might have to anyway but than that means you need to
go to war before they can kill you using that better computer. If you were
playing with friend and agreed in advance to share a little tech that you
could us against the other...

Fortunately in the real world you get a better computer and then use it for
anything you need it to do.

I have personally years ago explained why beams beat missiles and torps
though if the right race gets advanced missile tech soon enough you can kiss
you butt good-by.

>
> "I know that in the patched game two of the things that determine who
> gets the first shot is beam tech and computer tech."
>
> not beam tech. ini value is BOCV/10+COMBAT SPEED. and when u research
> torps....u have also nice option to get ini with hyper drive or
> megafluxers (empty space improves combat speed)
>
The above isn't divided up by who says what.

Not enough for me to leave it empty. Not sure what BOCV stands for but I
did leave off drives. Beams, Drives, Computers. Running up drives gets you
torps but then if you take them rather than drives...

You don't get things like SA or High energy focus for missiles and torps
though Emititions Guidance comes close but you don't get that for torps. The
every other turn thing stinks. If you could fire every turn things would
look a lot better at least against the kind of junk ships that the AI
normally designs.

I don't recall exactly how the numbers work out if you have several shots of
missiles and add the two shots on one turn option but you will be able to
get off more shots. The problem is you need to swamp the defense so all on
one shot is still the best choice most of the time. That leaves you setting
there with nothing to fire which really hurts when you could have swamped
the wimp ships you are facing with less than a full load.

Um on one memorable occasion early in the game the opposition showed up and
I couldn't lock on because they had better defense electronics than I had
sensors. Very painful!
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"siron" <kakophoniker.TakeThisOut@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> AFAIK just one side decloacks after 10 turns. Because of this bug
> phasing cloack is banned in MP games.
>
Ten turns cloaked and you drop back to the earlier form, cloaking, rather
than phase cloaked. Decloak before the limit and the clock seems to reset.
Combined with the two turns per turn option I've seen this ships cloak and
recloak until the number of turns for attacking was used up when I used a
small ship to try and take out antaries using torps or a large tough war
fleet.

To be fair nobody else ever mentioned that your bug even existed maybe
because they weren't going to stay cloaked ten turns anyway. They were going
to leave or attack.
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"siron" <kakophoniker RemoveThis @gmx.de> wrote in message
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> heh? u have mirv nukes earlier than fighter bays?
>
> Rhull is mostly preferred.....monster has to be nice....thats true....
> but fighter bays nice option for tech races which can eliminate monster
> early (turn25) and which has early shields...
>
> Fighter bays are also nice for uni tol which is quite productive with
> early monster.
>

If for some odd reason I get fighter bays very early they work well. They
run out of steam in a hurry. They are easy to shot they get so close they
can be taken out by lightening shields. They are set up to let the
opposition get to close before they can be used. Etc. The nice thing is they
seem to work even if your computers stink. Heck I even used them once to
take out Anteries but then I did he same with plain nukes. I used a lot of
doom stars loaded with nothing else. I couldn't tell if reflection fields
worked against them or not.
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"siron" <kakophoniker DeleteThis @gmx.de> wrote in message
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> Well....dont underestimate feudal......very nice to blitz with such
> races.........feudal omni transd tele for example
>
And don't forget small galaxy. You need to find somebody fast.
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"siron" <kakophoniker.DeleteThis@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> Sounds like the AI is no challenge for u. Join our kali moo2 leagues
> then
>
> We have still 40-50 active players there.
>
I've never played on line. Sad to say I most likely won't. Somebody would
most likely hand me my head anyway.
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deowll wrote:
> I've never played on line. Sad to say I most likely won't. Somebody would
> most likely hand me my head anyway.

Don't let that discourage you...every single one of us that I'm aware
of required some learning time when first playing on Kali. Everyone on
Kali is aware of this, and most players go out of their way to help
people along. Most players have enough class to be helpful in victory,
rather than gloating. We're a small enough community that we value
every player that comes along. There are also a few strategy guides
that have been written that can be quite helpful.

Assuming that one enjoys MOO2 and has a PC that can play the DOS
version of the game, the only "valid" reason to avoid online play is
the time commitment, IMHO. A 2 player game is not so bad, because it's
fairly easy for 2 players to set a time to meet up when you need to
play over multiple sessions, however a 4 player game in a large galaxy
is a different story, and on average requires 4-8 hours to complete.
Sometimes they go longer, and occasionally shorter.

I hope you decide to give it a try.

-Gusset
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deowll schrieb:

> "siron" <kakophoniker.RemoveThis@gmx.de> wrote in message
> news:1120568783.439966.134130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Sounds like the AI is no challenge for u. Join our kali moo2 leagues
> > then
> >
> > We have still 40-50 active players there.
> >
> I've never played on line. Sad to say I most likely won't. Somebody would
> most likely hand me my head anyway.

Well, what is your point in playing a dumb ai?

You can talk here about tricks to kill a pretty dumb ai in tactical
combat. And I guess you always win there. Boring. Test your ship design
and races in a challenging environment.

Of course, you will lose some games at start. So did I. There are
players who play this game 9 years online.

Really, but there is soooo much in the game an ai player will NEVER
detect. A new dimension of that game.

You need some games (prolly even some months) to learn the status quo
of the several setups. Then you can search for the weak points there
and you will be able to develop an own....different style. That's where
really the fun begins.
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