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carrera d'olbani

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:51 am
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What is the best resolution to play Half-Life 2 (including
Deathmatch) ? Is 1440x900 enough to see the enemies at a distance ? I
am currently using a 16" LCD monitor with the resolution 1680x1050,
and I cannot complain. I consider to get another monitor cheaply, and
the 19" LG L194WT (withe the resolution 1440x900) would sit just at
the edge of my computer table. I could get a 20" model with the
resolution 1680x1050, but I am afraid that I have to put it too far
from me so that it wouldn't fit on the table. What would people say ?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:55 am
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carrera d'olbani wrote:
> What is the best resolution to play Half-Life 2 (including
> Deathmatch) ? Is 1440x900 enough to see the enemies at a distance ? I
> am currently using a 16" LCD monitor with the resolution 1680x1050,
> and I cannot complain. I consider to get another monitor cheaply, and
> the 19" LG L194WT (withe the resolution 1440x900) would sit just at
> the edge of my computer table. I could get a 20" model with the
> resolution 1680x1050, but I am afraid that I have to put it too far
> from me so that it wouldn't fit on the table. What would people say ?

I didn't know you could get 16" LCD monitors that can do 1680x1050. If
so the pixels must be pretty damn small.

I use a 20" LCD at 1680x1050, and I can tell you there's absolutely no
need to put it any further back than a normal monitor. The whole point
of widescreen is so you can utilize your peripheral vision - you cannot
do this if the monitor is far away.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:02 am
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For fastest screen play/redraw.

No matter what kind of monitor you use (LCD or CRT) for the fastest
screen redraw, reduce your color depth.

How to: in WinXP
Open "Display" in Control panel.
Click on "Setting" Tab.
In "Color Quality" reduce to "Medium (16 bit)
Click "Apply"

Results: Twice as fast screen results, due to less processing power
needed. Also helpful for those who don't wish to buy a faster video
card. Anyone that claims they need or 32 bit color is better, needs to
clean their crack pipe, because the human eye cant distinguish a
difference, its physically impossible.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:04 am
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"carrera d'olbani" <dolbani.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> What is the best resolution to play Half-Life 2 (including
> Deathmatch) ? Is 1440x900 enough to see the enemies at a distance ? I
> am currently using a 16" LCD monitor with the resolution 1680x1050,
> and I cannot complain. I consider to get another monitor cheaply, and
> the 19" LG L194WT (withe the resolution 1440x900) would sit just at
> the edge of my computer table. I could get a 20" model with the
> resolution 1680x1050, but I am afraid that I have to put it too far
> from me so that it wouldn't fit on the table. What would people say ?
>

With what I do in photography and 3D stuff, I use two Samsung 204B 20.1" LCD
flatpanel displays side by side. The desk my rig, pair of monitors and
flatbed scanner reside on is 6 1/2 feet long and 3feet deep. Monitors are
both plugged into one of my two 7800GTX 256 meg cards on the DVI ports, and
both run in native resolution of 1600 x 1200 - 32 bit depth.
When gaming, I've long since left off using SLI mode as it fouls everything
up on the desktop when coming out of SLI. I should pull one 7800GTX out and
run the PCI-e 0 slot at 16x. The bottom card isn't doing anything now
anyway.

SO FAR; running all the games at 1600x1200 full screen 32 bit looks really
nice. HL2 (and mods), HL2 Deathmatch look great and play very smooth. I
have all the eye candy on and maxed, this is the Options recommended
settings for my rig.
The rest of your rig will help determine just how smooth the game will play
for you. This rig is a A64 X2 4800+ in a GA K8 N SLI mobo, 2 gigs pc3200
ram, several 160 gig hd's. The HL2 vid stress test put the framerates in
the 70's with just one vid card, and in the high 90's with SLI enabled.
This is at 1600x1200 resolution.
McG.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:56 pm
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SpokaneRGH wrote:
>
> For fastest screen play/redraw.
>
> No matter what kind of monitor you use (LCD or CRT) for the fastest
> screen redraw, reduce your color depth.
>
> How to: in WinXP
> Open "Display" in Control panel.
> Click on "Setting" Tab.
> In "Color Quality" reduce to "Medium (16 bit)
> Click "Apply"
>
> Results: Twice as fast screen results, due to less processing power
> needed.

That won't do anything, because Half-Life 2 doesn't use the windows XP
display settings, it has its own video card configuration screen.
Modifying the HL2 settings might on the other hand.


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:56 pm
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SpokaneRGH wrote:

> Anyone that claims they need or 32 bit color is better, needs to
> clean their crack pipe, because the human eye cant distinguish a
> difference, its physically impossible.

LOL, depends a little on what colors/graphics image you have on your desktop
There's a huge difference between 16 and 32 bit color
But true under normal circumstances it's pretty hard to tell the difference

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:56 pm
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SpokaneRGH wrote:
>
> For fastest screen play/redraw.
>
> No matter what kind of monitor you use (LCD or CRT) for the fastest
> screen redraw, reduce your color depth.
>
> How to: in WinXP
> Open "Display" in Control panel.
> Click on "Setting" Tab.
> In "Color Quality" reduce to "Medium (16 bit)
> Click "Apply"
>
> Results: Twice as fast screen results, due to less processing power
> needed. Also helpful for those who don't wish to buy a faster video
> card. Anyone that claims they need or 32 bit color is better, needs to
> clean their crack pipe, because the human eye cant distinguish a
> difference, its physically impossible.

This is one reason why I like Usenet - the crazy people come out to
play. They so crazy! Smile
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:40 am
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On Jul 1, 1:04 am, "McG." <McGrandpa....TakeThisOut@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

> SO FAR; running all the games at 1600x1200 full screen 32 bit looks really
> nice. HL2 (and mods), HL2 Deathmatch look great and play very smooth.

Today I went to Best Buys and had a look at the monitor. The 20"
monitors from Acer and from HP gave a decently pleasing picture,
although if the picture was a little bit worse, it would not be
acceptable to me anymore. I had a look at the 19" monitor LG L194WT --
the quality of the pictures is worse, I would say inacceptable to me.
I believe the reason is that the L194WT monitor has a pixel pitch of
0.285 mm, while the 20" LG L204WT monitor has a finer pixel pitch of
0.253 mm. However, there are no LG L204WT monitors on sale, so that I
could not have a look at one.

Just because of the more coarse pitch, the 19" LG monitor has to be
kept farther away on my desk than the 20" LG monitor. I would prefer
the 20" LG monitor (L204WT). Unfortunately, I have already ordered the
19" LG monitor; it is on its way to me. That was unwise choice. Damn !
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:37 am
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"FoolsGold" <fg RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> SpokaneRGH wrote:
>>
>> For fastest screen play/redraw.
>>
>> No matter what kind of monitor you use (LCD or CRT) for the fastest
>> screen redraw, reduce your color depth.
>>
>> How to: in WinXP
>> Open "Display" in Control panel.
>> Click on "Setting" Tab.
>> In "Color Quality" reduce to "Medium (16 bit)
>> Click "Apply"
>>
>> Results: Twice as fast screen results, due to less processing power
>> needed. Also helpful for those who don't wish to buy a faster video
>> card. Anyone that claims they need or 32 bit color is better, needs
>> to
>> clean their crack pipe, because the human eye cant distinguish a
>> difference, its physically impossible.
>
> This is one reason why I like Usenet - the crazy people come out to
> play. They so crazy! Smile

Two words: gradients.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:02 am
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On Jun 30, 10:51 am, carrera d'olbani <dolb... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>

Oh yeah STEAM LOVER you do that, you buy a monitor just to play STEAM
INFECTED HL2
And like your Master Valve has ordered you, don't you DARE play
anything else!

PS: Next time leave the c.s.i.p.g.action group out of your stupid
STEAM INFECT question OK!
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:55 am
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Texan_2112 wrote:

>>This is one reason why I like Usenet - the crazy people come out to
>>play. They so crazy! Smile
>
>
> Two words: gradients.

What's the second?



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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:56 pm
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* SpokaneRGH:

> No matter what kind of monitor you use (LCD or CRT) for the fastest
> screen redraw, reduce your color depth.
>
> How to: in WinXP
> Open "Display" in Control panel.
> Click on "Setting" Tab.
> In "Color Quality" reduce to "Medium (16 bit)
> Click "Apply"
>
> Results: Twice as fast screen results, due to less processing power
> needed.

Yeah, sure. Of course you totally ignore that most somewhat modern GPUs
(GF3 and up) always do 24bit /32bit calculations internally no matter
what you set desktop color depth to, so going back to 16bit doesn't help
a yota.

Your hint was valuable maybe 8 years ago. Today it's not. Especially
since desktop settings have nothing to do with what is used by games as
the majority of games use their own setting.

> Also helpful for those who don't wish to buy a faster video
> card. Anyone that claims they need or 32 bit color is better, needs to
> clean their crack pipe, because the human eye cant distinguish a
> difference, its physically impossible.

Even people with somewhat average vision can distinguish between 16bit
and 24bit/32bit easily. If you can't I'd recommend you go and see an eye
doctor.

Benjamin
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:55 am
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"SpokaneRGH" <dhjrrmne.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> For fastest screen play/redraw.
>
> No matter what kind of monitor you use (LCD or CRT) for the fastest
> screen redraw, reduce your color depth.
>
> How to: in WinXP
> Open "Display" in Control panel.
> Click on "Setting" Tab.
> In "Color Quality" reduce to "Medium (16 bit)
> Click "Apply"
>
> Results: Twice as fast screen results, due to less processing power
> needed. Also helpful for those who don't wish to buy a faster video
> card. Anyone that claims they need or 32 bit color is better, needs to
> clean their crack pipe, because the human eye cant distinguish a
> difference, its physically impossible.
>

yeah ... and the human eye can't see above 30 fps either ... right?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:17 am
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On Jul 2, 10:27 pm, Raymond Martineau <b... DeleteThis @freenet.carleton.ca>
wrote:

> BTW, there's not much difference between 19" and 20" - they'are almost
> the same. You'll only get an extra inch width and half-inch height -
> there's more concern between 17" and 19", or 19" and 21".

Gee, I did some reading on the Interenet, and found out that there is
aprincipical difference between the 19" LG monitor (LG L194WT) and its
"sibling" 20" monitor (LG L204WT).

The first has the resolution 1440 x 900, and the second has a much
higher resolution 1680 x 1050, but only 1" is longer along the
diagonal. Why is that this is because the 20" has a finer pixel pitch
(around 0.25 mm vs 0.28 mm of 19" display). This may actually mean
that I can put the 20" monitor closer than the 19" to get the same
kind of "grain" of the image. However, if I want to see the 20"
monitor from the same angle as the 19", then I have to put it further
away. Thus, the images of the same angular size in the 20" monitor
will be seen as having a higher resolution.

The other difference is that the "younger" sibling has a 6 bit
gradation in its color (altogether 16.2 mln colours), and is made by
the "twisted nematic" (TN) technology. Its older sibling, the 20"
display is made by a more expensive technology S-IPS and offers a
better image quality and more colours -- 16.7 mln, which is a telltale
of the 8 bit gradations in a pixel. It is surprising because the 20"
display is sold at a slightly higher price than does the 19" display.

I trusted the friend of my friend who helped me to choose a PC and the
monitor... he rushed me through the shop. Thus, I ot the 19" LG
monitor. I usually do a thorough background research before I buy
anything. So that I came home, did research on the 19" monitor which I
already bought, and found I could be better off with the 20" monitor.
Oh well... that's the nature of the human relations... you cannot get
away from them completely, and will flop from time to time.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:27 am
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:51:04 -0700, carrera d'olbani
<dolbani RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>What is the best resolution to play Half-Life 2 (including
>Deathmatch) ? Is 1440x900 enough to see the enemies at a distance ? I
>am currently using a 16" LCD monitor with the resolution 1680x1050,
>and I cannot complain.

Since you are using an LCD, you must either use the maximum screen
resolution or play in a window (otherwise, the monitor will "blur" or
scale the display). HL2 works fine in any resolution, however.

In any case, I was playing at 800x600 and 1024x768 with a GeForce
4400. The game is quite playable at that resolution, as is almost any
other game (it would have to be for an FPS.) Even for long distances,
you are bound to see enough pixels move that you'll know something is
there.

>I consider to get another monitor cheaply, and
>the 19" LG L194WT (withe the resolution 1440x900) would sit just at
>the edge of my computer table. I could get a 20" model with the
>resolution 1680x1050, but I am afraid that I have to put it too far
>from me so that it wouldn't fit on the table. What would people say ?

If you're changing monitors, I'd recommend you test it "hands-on" by
looking at it from 1-1.5 arms lengths (or whatever distance you have
available or are going to use). Pick the monitor you are comfortable
with.

BTW, there's not much difference between 19" and 20" - they'are almost
the same. You'll only get an extra inch width and half-inch height -
there's more concern between 17" and 19", or 19" and 21".
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