Can a mage beat a warrior or hunter on a duel?

> Oh yeah, very useful all the time. I'm levelling a Warrior now, and I
> realized how spoiled my Rogue is. The Warrior has to switch to sword
> and board when casters are about, whereas the Rogue can kick
> whenever. Very useful agains all casting mobs (including dragons with
> breath and a few other things with natural spell-like abilities), and
> especially against the ones that heal.
>
> I know there's Pummel, but I don't like playing in Berserker stance,
> for some reason.

Shield Bash is quite a good ability. It has a very short cooldown
compared to Counterspell but lacks the range.

I know warriors who stance dance to Pummel and I think that's a valid
tactic. But typically they don't care, since warriors can overpower the
caster with pure damage anyway -- by engaging the caster in melee the
spells are already being delayed.
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"Hamaka" <jyrhino.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes:

> Does anyone ever use shield bash as a warrior? or kick as a rogue? I'm
> guess they are much less useful at higher levels than in Deadmines and
> BFD.

Oh yeah, very useful all the time. I'm levelling a Warrior now, and I
realized how spoiled my Rogue is. The Warrior has to switch to sword
and board when casters are about, whereas the Rogue can kick
whenever. Very useful agains all casting mobs (including dragons with
breath and a few other things with natural spell-like abilities), and
especially against the ones that heal.

I know there's Pummel, but I don't like playing in Berserker stance,
for some reason.

Nick

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Artificer schrieb:
> I think I have mastered how to solo decently with my lvl 25 mage but I
> have a couple of questions. In a duel against a warrior or a hunter of
> the same level does a mage stand a chance? And if so how? On solo are

you got to use the advantages of your character. This means if you
are skilled Pyroblast and +range for fire-spells, you can make the
first hit and consecutive hits with a fireball and fireblast when
the other character comes closer. You can frost-nova the character
as soon as he is close, then fireball + wand and again fireblast
as soon as available.

If the Warrior/Hunter is attacking you by suprise, you do not
have much chance to kill him, but you can frostnova him and blink
away.

You got to put your first 11 skill-points into fire at that level
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=kZxG0z
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On 22 Sep 2006 08:05:02 -0700, "Apoptygma" <apoptygma RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> Does anyone ever use shield bash as a warrior? or kick as a rogue? I'm
>> guess they are much less useful at higher levels than in Deadmines and
>> BFD.
>>
>> Hamaka
>
>You couldn't be further from the truth. Maybe raid bosses rely on these
>abilities to make the fight possible, In PvP they are *always* useful
>and in 70% of PvE zones there is at least one mob type that casts an
>undesirable spell (such as healing themselves or others) and you'll
>want that to stop. These are actually the best anti-caster abilities
>these classes have (unless you could a rogue's 2k crit ambush insta-gib
>move)

Absolutely, I use kick all the time when soloing caster-type mobs and it's
great. The Shadowmages in Eastern Plaguelands hit for 500 dmg per
shadowbolt (or whatever their shadow spell is), but if I kick them at the
right moment they don't hit me at all, plus can't cast another shadow spell
for a few seconds. Normally they die before they can cast another, but if I
had lesser gear and couldn't kill so fast, a gouge or kidney shot would
keep them quiet again.

It's the same in instances, I did Strat Scarlet in a guild group the other
day, not very balanced, paladin tanking (not always the greatest at holding
aggro on humanoids though he was fine on the undead), two rogues, warlock
and priest. It could've been bad (as it was we wiped a few times due to
adds and bad timing on patrols, thankfully the soulstone was always
available!) but me and the other rogue kept the caster mobs quiet with
stuns and kicks - if there were two casters in a group we'd take one each,
if only one we'd both go for it and wham, dead without casting a spell.

That was very fun indeed, of course by doing that we were ignoring the
general "rule" of all kill one target at a time and don't take aggro if
you're DPS but rogues are very strong against caster mobs so we never
needed heals anyway, and getting rid of the casters saved the rest of the
group having to deal with massive aoe from the battlemages or mobs healing
each other.
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Caeryn Dryad of Whisperwind a écrit :

> > Oh yeah, very useful all the time. I'm levelling a Warrior now, and I
> > realized how spoiled my Rogue is. The Warrior has to switch to sword
> > and board when casters are about, whereas the Rogue can kick
> > whenever. Very useful agains all casting mobs (including dragons with
> > breath and a few other things with natural spell-like abilities), and
> > especially against the ones that heal.
> >
> > I know there's Pummel, but I don't like playing in Berserker stance,
> > for some reason.
>
> Shield Bash is quite a good ability. It has a very short cooldown
> compared to Counterspell but lacks the range.
>
> I know warriors who stance dance to Pummel and I think that's a valid
> tactic. But typically they don't care, since warriors can overpower the
> caster with pure damage anyway -- by engaging the caster in melee the
> spells are already being delayed.

As a protection warrior with low resistances, I usually keep my shield
on at all time in duels against casters - simply because the damage
burst of shield slam is still on par with the damage burst of my ice
barbed spear. And I get to dispel shields & buffs. And I can still
silence with a bash.

That said, it's still far from effective.
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On 22 Sep 2006 14:57:27 -0400, Nick Vargish
<nav+posts@bandersnatch.org> wrote:

>"Hamaka" <jyrhino.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Does anyone ever use shield bash as a warrior? or kick as a rogue? I'm
>> guess they are much less useful at higher levels than in Deadmines and
>> BFD.
>
>Oh yeah, very useful all the time. I'm levelling a Warrior now, and I
>realized how spoiled my Rogue is. The Warrior has to switch to sword
>and board when casters are about, whereas the Rogue can kick
>whenever. Very useful agains all casting mobs (including dragons with
>breath and a few other things with natural spell-like abilities), and
>especially against the ones that heal.
>
>I know there's Pummel, but I don't like playing in Berserker stance,
>for some reason.

Learning to use Pummel was the beginning of my journey down the dark
path of Fury... it calls to you!

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On 22 Sep 2006 07:45:03 -0700, "Hamaka" <jyrhino RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>Sorry I misrepresented you. (I didn't intend to represent you in first
>place but looking back I did.)
>
>So you think one class is innately better than another?
>
>I have beaten other classes in duels and pvp, most times I was equal,
>sometimes I was weaker, I was rarely stronger. My mage has beaten
>warriors, my warrior has beaten rogues, my druid has beaten priests, my
>priest has beaten warlocks, my rogue has beaten priests ...and so on
>and so on ..

But has your warrior ever beaten a mage? In the rock/paper/scissors
game, the warrior is the rock and the mage is the paper. Strictly
speaking some classes *are* innately better than others 1-on-1. I'd
agree overall class balance is well-executed though.

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AlphaWoolf <alpha.woolf.DeleteThis@yourcoatsbcglobal.net> writes:

> Learning to use Pummel was the beginning of my journey down the dark
> path of Fury... it calls to you!

I'm good with my Arms/Prot (okay, 5 in Fury for the crit talent)
build. I went through a period in the early 40s when it seemed like
killing things took forever, but I'm past that now.

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