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pete mack

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:16 pm
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I have an exception to Cliff's rule of not clearing pits.

My current gear, class is NPP rogue.

Swap: BoC *Slay Demon*, Acid/Fire brand halberd.
Sling of Buckland
Barahir(+1)
RoSpeed(+Cool
Elessar [ Heal activation ]
Thalkettoth
Colannon
Anarrion
Gondor(+3) [ Heal activation ]
Cesti of Power
Boots of stealth

Speed: +19, HP 633. (CON 18/140)
340K turns, cl 41, 4400'.

I can replace Elessar with Carlammas for 674 HP, but that means losing
two speed and a heal activation.


But what I really need is a RoCON, and the only way to get one is to
kill a lot of mediocre monsters with big drops. I haven't seen one
better than +1 the entire game. Killing high-value monsters doesn't
help, because they only drop "good" stuff, which unfortunately doesn't
include RoCON.

It would also help with stat potions, but it is much easier to sell
stuff back to the store and purchase stats in the alchemist.

(I am at a depth where I am willing to brand ammo in the store, since
in a regular game, I would have it from Tenser's at this depth.)

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pete mack

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:33 pm
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pete mack wrote:
> I have an exception to Cliff's rule of not clearing pits.

Well, I guess I don't have an exception after all. I cleared a dragon
pit, found some junk. I killed Maeglin and got Thorin. The second was
a better use of time.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:45 pm
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"pete mack" <pmac360.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes:

> I have an exception to Cliff's rule of not clearing pits.
>
> My current gear, class is NPP rogue.
>
> Swap: BoC *Slay Demon*, Acid/Fire brand halberd.
> Sling of Buckland
> Barahir(+1)
> RoSpeed(+Cool
> Elessar [ Heal activation ]
> Thalkettoth
> Colannon
> Anarrion
> Gondor(+3) [ Heal activation ]
> Cesti of Power
> Boots of stealth
>
> Speed: +19, HP 633. (CON 18/140)
> 340K turns, cl 41, 4400'.
>
> I can replace Elessar with Carlammas for 674 HP, but that means losing
> two speed and a heal activation.
>
>
> But what I really need is a RoCON, and the only way to get one is to

Nah -- what you really need is Thorin + Cambeleg.
I suppose Nenya + Vilya wouldn't be so horrible either.

However, I would have to say you are missing the point. The thing
that makes diving interesting is that you are forced into different
situations. A ring of con is the easy choice, and not so
interesting. This way you get to face greater danger. Enjoy it!!


Eddie
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:02 pm
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Cliff Stamp wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, pete mack wrote:
>
> > But what I really need is a RoCON, and the only way to get one is to
> > kill a lot of mediocre monsters with big drops.
>
> Need is a strong term, I don't think I have ever monster farmed for items as
> there are usually many ways to get the various stats/resistances. Never is
> also a strong term, while it is rarely best use of time to clear pits, if
> you happened upon a drake pit really early and had a potion or two of speed
> and a kill/slay weapon, the benefits could be insane. That was critical in
> one of the really fast wins I had. Similar if you were a priest who found a
> lot of +wis early, or were a high device class who had staves of
> power/dispel, or even rods. I have at times fired the high rods into groups
> while moving around. There are pretty much exceptions to every rule.

I know, I know, I was wrong. Especially wrong in NPP where you can
convert loot to CON/healing, if you are deep enough to force artifact
generation. Of course, Morgoth is much easier to kill in Vanilla, so
it doesn't require so many resources.

Still, teasing the Wyrms out of the middle of a pit is very profitable.
It's another place where NPP is easier than Vanilla, since they can
push the lesser monsters out of the way, while the lesser monsters
can't detect you. NPP has many opportunities to exploit; they are just
less obvious than Vanilla's.
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