Where is everyone????? Need help finding games!

"Jenny100" <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.20.06.36.37.792469@nospam.com...
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:13:47 -0500, Mary wrote:
>
> > "Mike Ray" <mer1 DeleteThis @cornell.edu> wrote in message
> > news:fkbfah$ff3$1@ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
> >>
> >>
> >> >> I hope you are using the Windows update and not DOS. It plays much
> >> >> faster smoother under Windows. (however that was Win98 - don't know
> >> >> about XP) Also I found a good web page about Trilobyte and their
> > success
> >> >> and failures. Let's see it's a Gamespot Bio at:
> >> >> http://www.t7g3.com/Pages/Links.htm
> >> >
> >> > I am playing it in Dosbox, so its Dos. My main partition is Win 98,
> >> > and
> > Win
> >> > XP is on another partition for times I need it. But most of the time
I
> > do
> >> > everything in Win 98 - so far. I haven't had any problem running 7th
> > Guest
> >> > in Dosbox version 0.65 I think. The picture is too dark in some areas
> >> > of
> > the
> >> > game. I have an LCD and have to brighten up the gamma on my video
card
> > way
> >> > up high, which is a lot better, but still too dark in a few areas
such
> > as at
> >> > the side of the main stairs and the other side of the stairs where
the
> >> > library and the piano room are. I found my CRT was better at
> >> > displaying
> > very
> >> > dark areas in a game better than my LCD, though I like the LCD in
many
> > ways.
> >> > It doesn't take up near as much space on my desk which is not all
that
> > big,
> >> > but I still think the the CRT was more uniform colors for games. But
> > LCD's
> >> > have improved greatly over the past 5 years. These are just my
> >> > opinions. Others may feel differently. At any rate, the game is
> >> > running fine and
> > I'm
> >> > about three quarter way through. I might re-play one of my other
> >> > games, since I don't see anything coming up in new games yet.
> >> >
> >> > Mary
> >> >
> >> >
> >> You should try (sometime) the windows EXE update for 7th guest (and
11th
> >> hour). I remember it was about twice as fast moving around the mansion.
> >> I had a old DX-386 PC and it seemed like I was jogging instead of
> >> walking! -Mike
> >> However if Dosbox works...
> >
> > I plod along in most games, so I am OK, but maybe I will try the EXE
> > update sometime just to see what its like. Yes, Dosbox works fine. You
may
> > remember there are shortcuts in some rooms that take you from downstairs
> > to upstairs if you click on something in the room. I am now working on
the
> > dreaded microscope game. It took me a couple of months to finish it the
> > first time I played, and I don't think I tried it since. I would try it
> > for a couple of hours in the evg.- a little longer on weekends. One
> > Saturday, I could see it was going to work out, and I couldn't believe
it.
> > I don't think you have to do it to complete the game, but I wanted to
see
> > if I could do it so I am trying it again. I have to turn Stauf's voice
off
> > a lot of the time in the game. He gets on my nerves. I like the variety
> > of puzzles in the game. Maybe I will try 11th Hour after I finish T7G.
> >
> > Mary
>
> You know that microscope game gets harder the faster your computer is.

No, I didn't. Why would the game get harder just because your computer is
faster? . The solution is to create more blue blobs than green ones, so
wouldn't the solution be the same no matter what the computer speed? There
are no other puzzles in the game like the microscope puzzle, so I can't
compare. The game seems to run about the same speed as it did when I had a
slower computer and the blobs are created and re-created about the same as
before. Have you seen people mention that the microscope is harder to solve
with newer computers than with the ones in use at the time the game first
came out? The game originally only called for a 486 - 33 Mhz CPU and a
"Fast"16 bit video card with 1 MB memory.

Mary
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:00:42 -0500, Mary wrote:

> "Jenny100" <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.12.20.06.36.37.792469@nospam.com...
>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:13:47 -0500, Mary wrote:
>>
>> > "Mike Ray" <mer1 RemoveThis @cornell.edu> wrote in message
>> > news:fkbfah$ff3$1@ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> I hope you are using the Windows update and not DOS. It plays
>> >> >> much
>> >> >> faster smoother under Windows. (however that was Win98 - don't
>> >> >> know about XP) Also I found a good web page about Trilobyte and
>> >> >> their
>> > success
>> >> >> and failures. Let's see it's a Gamespot Bio at:
>> >> >> http://www.t7g3.com/Pages/Links.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > I am playing it in Dosbox, so its Dos. My main partition is Win 98,
>> >> > and
>> > Win
>> >> > XP is on another partition for times I need it. But most of the
>> >> > time
> I
>> > do
>> >> > everything in Win 98 - so far. I haven't had any problem running
>> >> > 7th
>> > Guest
>> >> > in Dosbox version 0.65 I think. The picture is too dark in some
>> >> > areas of
>> > the
>> >> > game. I have an LCD and have to brighten up the gamma on my video
> card
>> > way
>> >> > up high, which is a lot better, but still too dark in a few areas
> such
>> > as at
>> >> > the side of the main stairs and the other side of the stairs where
> the
>> >> > library and the piano room are. I found my CRT was better at
>> >> > displaying
>> > very
>> >> > dark areas in a game better than my LCD, though I like the LCD in
> many
>> > ways.
>> >> > It doesn't take up near as much space on my desk which is not all
> that
>> > big,
>> >> > but I still think the the CRT was more uniform colors for games.
>> >> > But
>> > LCD's
>> >> > have improved greatly over the past 5 years. These are just my
>> >> > opinions. Others may feel differently. At any rate, the game is
>> >> > running fine and
>> > I'm
>> >> > about three quarter way through. I might re-play one of my other
>> >> > games, since I don't see anything coming up in new games yet.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mary
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> You should try (sometime) the windows EXE update for 7th guest (and
> 11th
>> >> hour). I remember it was about twice as fast moving around the
>> >> mansion. I had a old DX-386 PC and it seemed like I was jogging
>> >> instead of walking! -Mike
>> >> However if Dosbox works...
>> >
>> > I plod along in most games, so I am OK, but maybe I will try the EXE
>> > update sometime just to see what its like. Yes, Dosbox works fine. You
> may
>> > remember there are shortcuts in some rooms that take you from
>> > downstairs to upstairs if you click on something in the room. I am now
>> > working on
> the
>> > dreaded microscope game. It took me a couple of months to finish it
>> > the first time I played, and I don't think I tried it since. I would
>> > try it for a couple of hours in the evg.- a little longer on
>> > weekends. One Saturday, I could see it was going to work out, and I
>> > couldn't believe
> it.
>> > I don't think you have to do it to complete the game, but I wanted to
> see
>> > if I could do it so I am trying it again. I have to turn Stauf's voice
> off
>> > a lot of the time in the game. He gets on my nerves. I like the
>> > variety of puzzles in the game. Maybe I will try 11th Hour after I
>> > finish T7G.
>> >
>> > Mary
>>
>> You know that microscope game gets harder the faster your computer is.
>
> No, I didn't. Why would the game get harder just because your computer is
> faster? .

Because of the way it's coded. The faster your computer is, the further
ahead the AI (artificial intelligence) looks before making its moves. The
more moves ahead the AI looks, the more it can predict what you might do
and come up with its own move to prevent you from achieving a successful
outcome.

For example, here is one solution, which only works on a 486/33

7 X X X X X X X
6 X X X X X X X
5 X X X X X X X
4 X X X X X X X
3 X X X X X X X
2 X X X X X X X
1 X X X X X X X

A B C D E F G



Follow the moves as listed, from-to, and you will finish with a
comfortable lead.

Move Ego Stauf
# (Blue) (Green)

1. G1-F1 G7-G6
2. G1-G2 G6-G5
3. G2-G3 G5-G4
4. G2-F4 G6-F5
5. G3-F3 F5-E4
6. F1-E3 G6-E5
7. G4-F6 F4-G4
8. G7-G6 F3-F2
9. E5-D4 F2-D3
10. E5-D5 D3-C4
11. E4-F2 E5-E4
12. F2-E2 C4-D2
13. F6-E6 E2-G2
14. D5-C4 D2-C3
15. D5-C5 F2-E2
16. C4-C2 E2-C4
17. D2-E2 G2-F1
18. D2-E1 C5-D6
19. A7-C6 E6-F7
20. D6-E7 C3-D1
21. D3-C3 A1-B1
22. D2-C1 A1-B2
23. C4-B3 A1-A2
24. C5-A3 E4-C5
25. E3-E4 C6-D7
26. B3-B4 C6-B5
27. A3-A4 C6-A5
28. D5-C6 A5-B7
29. D7-C7 A5-B6
30. A3-A5 B7-A6
31. A4-A3 B7-A7

The above solution is from here
http://www2.cheat-da-game.net/7th_guest/


31 moves total. There was another solution that worked on a faster
computer. That second solution worked on my PII 400. But it required
something like 15 more moves. I can't seem to find that solution on the
Internet anymore. It started out the same as the solution for the 486/33,
but the moves changed toward the end, and continued on for longer.
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I would never have thought of that. I can't get that linked site you gave
me. I like to solve things on my own but not if its impossible or too
difficult for me. Then I get fed up and give up. It took me two months
before, so this time it could take me 2 years. You've burst my balloon

Mary

"Jenny100" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.20.18.21.23.839020@nospam.com...
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:00:42 -0500, Mary wrote:
>
> > "Jenny100" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2007.12.20.06.36.37.792469@nospam.com...
> >> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:13:47 -0500, Mary wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Mike Ray" <mer1.RemoveThis@cornell.edu> wrote in message
> >> > news:fkbfah$ff3$1@ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> I hope you are using the Windows update and not DOS. It plays
> >> >> >> much
> >> >> >> faster smoother under Windows. (however that was Win98 - don't
> >> >> >> know about XP) Also I found a good web page about Trilobyte and
> >> >> >> their
> >> > success
> >> >> >> and failures. Let's see it's a Gamespot Bio at:
> >> >> >> http://www.t7g3.com/Pages/Links.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am playing it in Dosbox, so its Dos. My main partition is Win
98,
> >> >> > and
> >> > Win
> >> >> > XP is on another partition for times I need it. But most of the
> >> >> > time
> > I
> >> > do
> >> >> > everything in Win 98 - so far. I haven't had any problem running
> >> >> > 7th
> >> > Guest
> >> >> > in Dosbox version 0.65 I think. The picture is too dark in some
> >> >> > areas of
> >> > the
> >> >> > game. I have an LCD and have to brighten up the gamma on my video
> > card
> >> > way
> >> >> > up high, which is a lot better, but still too dark in a few areas
> > such
> >> > as at
> >> >> > the side of the main stairs and the other side of the stairs where
> > the
> >> >> > library and the piano room are. I found my CRT was better at
> >> >> > displaying
> >> > very
> >> >> > dark areas in a game better than my LCD, though I like the LCD in
> > many
> >> > ways.
> >> >> > It doesn't take up near as much space on my desk which is not all
> > that
> >> > big,
> >> >> > but I still think the the CRT was more uniform colors for games.
> >> >> > But
> >> > LCD's
> >> >> > have improved greatly over the past 5 years. These are just my
> >> >> > opinions. Others may feel differently. At any rate, the game is
> >> >> > running fine and
> >> > I'm
> >> >> > about three quarter way through. I might re-play one of my other
> >> >> > games, since I don't see anything coming up in new games yet.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mary
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> You should try (sometime) the windows EXE update for 7th guest (and
> > 11th
> >> >> hour). I remember it was about twice as fast moving around the
> >> >> mansion. I had a old DX-386 PC and it seemed like I was jogging
> >> >> instead of walking! -Mike
> >> >> However if Dosbox works...
> >> >
> >> > I plod along in most games, so I am OK, but maybe I will try the EXE
> >> > update sometime just to see what its like. Yes, Dosbox works fine.
You
> > may
> >> > remember there are shortcuts in some rooms that take you from
> >> > downstairs to upstairs if you click on something in the room. I am
now
> >> > working on
> > the
> >> > dreaded microscope game. It took me a couple of months to finish it
> >> > the first time I played, and I don't think I tried it since. I would
> >> > try it for a couple of hours in the evg.- a little longer on
> >> > weekends. One Saturday, I could see it was going to work out, and I
> >> > couldn't believe
> > it.
> >> > I don't think you have to do it to complete the game, but I wanted to
> > see
> >> > if I could do it so I am trying it again. I have to turn Stauf's
voice
> > off
> >> > a lot of the time in the game. He gets on my nerves. I like the
> >> > variety of puzzles in the game. Maybe I will try 11th Hour after I
> >> > finish T7G.
> >> >
> >> > Mary
> >>
> >> You know that microscope game gets harder the faster your computer is.
> >
> > No, I didn't. Why would the game get harder just because your computer
is
> > faster? .
>
> Because of the way it's coded. The faster your computer is, the further
> ahead the AI (artificial intelligence) looks before making its moves. The
> more moves ahead the AI looks, the more it can predict what you might do
> and come up with its own move to prevent you from achieving a successful
> outcome.
>
> For example, here is one solution, which only works on a 486/33
>
> 7 X X X X X X X
> 6 X X X X X X X
> 5 X X X X X X X
> 4 X X X X X X X
> 3 X X X X X X X
> 2 X X X X X X X
> 1 X X X X X X X
>
> A B C D E F G
>
>
>
> Follow the moves as listed, from-to, and you will finish with a
> comfortable lead.
>
> Move Ego Stauf
> # (Blue) (Green)
>
> 1. G1-F1 G7-G6
> 2. G1-G2 G6-G5
> 3. G2-G3 G5-G4
> 4. G2-F4 G6-F5
> 5. G3-F3 F5-E4
> 6. F1-E3 G6-E5
> 7. G4-F6 F4-G4
> 8. G7-G6 F3-F2
> 9. E5-D4 F2-D3
> 10. E5-D5 D3-C4
> 11. E4-F2 E5-E4
> 12. F2-E2 C4-D2
> 13. F6-E6 E2-G2
> 14. D5-C4 D2-C3
> 15. D5-C5 F2-E2
> 16. C4-C2 E2-C4
> 17. D2-E2 G2-F1
> 18. D2-E1 C5-D6
> 19. A7-C6 E6-F7
> 20. D6-E7 C3-D1
> 21. D3-C3 A1-B1
> 22. D2-C1 A1-B2
> 23. C4-B3 A1-A2
> 24. C5-A3 E4-C5
> 25. E3-E4 C6-D7
> 26. B3-B4 C6-B5
> 27. A3-A4 C6-A5
> 28. D5-C6 A5-B7
> 29. D7-C7 A5-B6
> 30. A3-A5 B7-A6
> 31. A4-A3 B7-A7
>
> The above solution is from here
> http://www2.cheat-da-game.net/7th_guest/
>
>
> 31 moves total. There was another solution that worked on a faster
> computer. That second solution worked on my PII 400. But it required
> something like 15 more moves. I can't seem to find that solution on the
> Internet anymore. It started out the same as the solution for the 486/33,
> but the moves changed toward the end, and continued on for longer.
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"Jenny100" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.20.18.21.23.839020@nospam.com...
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:00:42 -0500, Mary wrote:
>
> > "Jenny100" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2007.12.20.06.36.37.792469@nospam.com...
> >> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:13:47 -0500, Mary wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Mike Ray" <mer1.RemoveThis@cornell.edu> wrote in message
> >> > news:fkbfah$ff3$1@ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> I hope you are using the Windows update and not DOS. It plays
> >> >> >> much
> >> >> >> faster smoother under Windows. (however that was Win98 - don't
> >> >> >> know about XP) Also I found a good web page about Trilobyte and
> >> >> >> their
> >> > success
> >> >> >> and failures. Let's see it's a Gamespot Bio at:
> >> >> >> http://www.t7g3.com/Pages/Links.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am playing it in Dosbox, so its Dos. My main partition is Win
98,
> >> >> > and
> >> > Win
> >> >> > XP is on another partition for times I need it. But most of the
> >> >> > time
> > I
> >> > do
> >> >> > everything in Win 98 - so far. I haven't had any problem running
> >> >> > 7th
> >> > Guest
> >> >> > in Dosbox version 0.65 I think. The picture is too dark in some
> >> >> > areas of
> >> > the
> >> >> > game. I have an LCD and have to brighten up the gamma on my video
> > card
> >> > way
> >> >> > up high, which is a lot better, but still too dark in a few areas
> > such
> >> > as at
> >> >> > the side of the main stairs and the other side of the stairs where
> > the
> >> >> > library and the piano room are. I found my CRT was better at
> >> >> > displaying
> >> > very
> >> >> > dark areas in a game better than my LCD, though I like the LCD in
> > many
> >> > ways.
> >> >> > It doesn't take up near as much space on my desk which is not all
> > that
> >> > big,
> >> >> > but I still think the the CRT was more uniform colors for games.
> >> >> > But
> >> > LCD's
> >> >> > have improved greatly over the past 5 years. These are just my
> >> >> > opinions. Others may feel differently. At any rate, the game is
> >> >> > running fine and
> >> > I'm
> >> >> > about three quarter way through. I might re-play one of my other
> >> >> > games, since I don't see anything coming up in new games yet.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mary
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> You should try (sometime) the windows EXE update for 7th guest (and
> > 11th
> >> >> hour). I remember it was about twice as fast moving around the
> >> >> mansion. I had a old DX-386 PC and it seemed like I was jogging
> >> >> instead of walking! -Mike
> >> >> However if Dosbox works...
> >> >
> >> > I plod along in most games, so I am OK, but maybe I will try the EXE
> >> > update sometime just to see what its like. Yes, Dosbox works fine.
You
> > may
> >> > remember there are shortcuts in some rooms that take you from
> >> > downstairs to upstairs if you click on something in the room. I am
now
> >> > working on
> > the
> >> > dreaded microscope game. It took me a couple of months to finish it
> >> > the first time I played, and I don't think I tried it since. I would
> >> > try it for a couple of hours in the evg.- a little longer on
> >> > weekends. One Saturday, I could see it was going to work out, and I
> >> > couldn't believe
> > it.
> >> > I don't think you have to do it to complete the game, but I wanted to
> > see
> >> > if I could do it so I am trying it again. I have to turn Stauf's
voice
> > off
> >> > a lot of the time in the game. He gets on my nerves. I like the
> >> > variety of puzzles in the game. Maybe I will try 11th Hour after I
> >> > finish T7G.
> >> >
> >> > Mary
> >>
> >> You know that microscope game gets harder the faster your computer is.
> >
> > No, I didn't. Why would the game get harder just because your computer
is
> > faster? .
>
> Because of the way it's coded. The faster your computer is, the further
> ahead the AI (artificial intelligence) looks before making its moves. The
> more moves ahead the AI looks, the more it can predict what you might do
> and come up with its own move to prevent you from achieving a successful
> outcome.
>
> For example, here is one solution, which only works on a 486/33
>
> 7 X X X X X X X
> 6 X X X X X X X
> 5 X X X X X X X
> 4 X X X X X X X
> 3 X X X X X X X
> 2 X X X X X X X
> 1 X X X X X X X
>
> A B C D E F G
>
>
>
> Follow the moves as listed, from-to, and you will finish with a
> comfortable lead.
>
> Move Ego Stauf
> # (Blue) (Green)
>
> 1. G1-F1 G7-G6
> 2. G1-G2 G6-G5
> 3. G2-G3 G5-G4
> 4. G2-F4 G6-F5
> 5. G3-F3 F5-E4
> 6. F1-E3 G6-E5
> 7. G4-F6 F4-G4
> 8. G7-G6 F3-F2
> 9. E5-D4 F2-D3
> 10. E5-D5 D3-C4
> 11. E4-F2 E5-E4
> 12. F2-E2 C4-D2
> 13. F6-E6 E2-G2
> 14. D5-C4 D2-C3
> 15. D5-C5 F2-E2
> 16. C4-C2 E2-C4
> 17. D2-E2 G2-F1
> 18. D2-E1 C5-D6
> 19. A7-C6 E6-F7
> 20. D6-E7 C3-D1
> 21. D3-C3 A1-B1
> 22. D2-C1 A1-B2
> 23. C4-B3 A1-A2
> 24. C5-A3 E4-C5
> 25. E3-E4 C6-D7
> 26. B3-B4 C6-B5
> 27. A3-A4 C6-A5
> 28. D5-C6 A5-B7
> 29. D7-C7 A5-B6
> 30. A3-A5 B7-A6
> 31. A4-A3 B7-A7
>
> The above solution is from here
> http://www2.cheat-da-game.net/7th_guest/

I finally got that web page and it say in one part:


"Here is a winning game move listing for the Microscope Puzzle
in The 7th Guest. You will, perhaps, have to restart the puzzle
a few times before Stauf makes the correct opening moves. This
was just the game I recorded. After the first three moves have
been played as listed, the playing algorithm in the programming
will make sure that green keeps playing this game. I tested it,
and it happened on my computer (486DX/33)... and I am confident
that the program performs a best move search to a specified depth.
But I can not be absolutely sure, therfore it may play differently
on much slower or faster computers."

According to the above, the playing algorigthm in the programming will make
sure the green keeps playing the game, but that was on a 486X22 and the
Virgin Interactive guy solved the microscope puzzle and gives the solution
below, but a lot of people solved it. I solved it when using a 486, though
it could have been a 386DX.. I've upgradeed motherboards quite a few times..
I think I played it on either My P1 or P2. But as far as I remember, I
think I only did the microscope the one time and that was the first time. So
even when the game first cam out, the game is stacked against the game
player, but the game player can win, if they keep trying, but takes a long
time and many people probably gave up. Also, you can't save the game. In the
above paragraph he does say that the microscope may play differently on much
slower or faster computers. Since I am playing the game in Dosbox and using
Win 98, I wonder if that slows down my computer so there is more chance of
beating the microscope puzzle. If not, I may never be able to solve the
puzzle on my computer and I really don't want a cheat. I like to solve
things myself in a case like this where its you against the computer though
not if its not possible.
It took me two months to solve it before, but at that time, I knew it could
be solved, as others at the time had solved it. This time, I may never be
able to solve it. I don't think you need to solve the microscope puzzle to
finish the game.

Mary

> 31 moves total. There was another solution that worked on a faster
> computer. That second solution worked on my PII 400. But it required
> something like 15 more moves. I can't seem to find that solution on the
> Internet anymore. It started out the same as the solution for the 486/33,
> but the moves changed toward the end, and continued on for longer.
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