I hate windows

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:02:23 +0200
Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Papanagnou.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> But what I really suggest is to play on NAO and use your
> WinDOS box just as a terminal; get a nice telnet client (PuTTY
> is great) and have a look at http://alt.org/nethack for all
> features and details. You'll enjoy.
>
> Janis

That's not going far enough.

What he should do is install Cygwin or use a runs direct from
CD/DVD Linux distro like Knoppix on the windows box, then he'll
have a good terminal. He could also ssh into is his Linux box
and play with tiles with X11 forwarding.

He should also get a USB keyboard and plug it in. Much more
comfortable to play that way than on a cramped laptop keyboard.

But isn't there a Windows version that has the dumplog patch
pre-compiled in?


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On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 05:34:17AM +0000, Ron Rogers Jr. wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:02:23 +0200
> Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Papanagnou DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > But what I really suggest is to play on NAO and use your
> > WinDOS box just as a terminal; get a nice telnet client (PuTTY
> > is great) and have a look at http://alt.org/nethack for all
> > features and details. You'll enjoy.
> >
> > Janis
>
> That's not going far enough.
>
> What he should do is install Cygwin or use a runs direct from
> CD/DVD Linux distro like Knoppix on the windows box, then he'll
> have a good terminal. He could also ssh into is his Linux box
> and play with tiles with X11 forwarding.
[...]

Nah, that's still not far enough. He should just install Linux instead
of Windows.


QF

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Raisse the Thaumaturge wrote:
> [Linux on Laptops]
>
> Don't hope for support from the manufacturers, though; I was once told by
> a Dell tech support critter, when I called it for a hardware problem,
> that it was my own fault for not running Windows.

What an insolence!

Thank's for sharing your experience; I'll keep that statement in mind when
I'll choose a vendor to buy new hardware.

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Janis Papanagnou wrote:
....
> Thank's for sharing your experience; I'll keep that statement in mind when
> I'll choose a vendor to buy new hardware.

I just did a lot of looking around before I got my new laptop a few
months ago. I wanted a decent sound and video system, as well as
Linux/*BSD support; decent price is a plus.

I went with an MSI-1029. It's listed on several Linux-laptop web sites
as well as a FreeBSD site as working well with Open Source systems
(except the WinModem, but I can live with having to boot to Windows for
that). The base price is around $900, but fully loaded (2GHz Turion64
CPU, 2G RAM, 120G disk) and a spare power adapter it cost a tad less
that $2k.

You can get them with Linux pre-installed from some of the online
resellers, but those seem to all have pretty bad customer service
records (as well as seeming to be all the same company behind the
scenes; it's weird). I got mine from <http://www.rawpowerpc.com>; they
had really good ratings, and I had a very good experience with them.

I haven't had time to do more than install Windows and OpenBSD; since I
need to actually use it right now I haven't had time to set up the
X-Windows. I can report that the ethernet and wireless cards both work
fine in OpenBSD, though, and others have said that the video and sound
do as well.

Of course, it's ludicrously over-powered just for running NetHack, but
what the heck.

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kcahten.TakeThisOut@quickfur.ath.cx wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 05:34:17AM +0000, Ron Rogers Jr. wrote:
>>On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:02:23 +0200
>>Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Papanagnou.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>But what I really suggest is to play on NAO and use your
>>>WinDOS box just as a terminal; get a nice telnet client (PuTTY
>>>is great) and have a look at http://alt.org/nethack for all
>>>features and details. You'll enjoy.
>>
>>That's not going far enough.
>>
>>What he should do is install Cygwin or use a runs direct from
>>CD/DVD Linux distro like Knoppix on the windows box, then he'll
>>have a good terminal. He could also ssh into is his Linux box
>>and play with tiles with X11 forwarding.
>
> Nah, that's still not far enough. He should just install Linux instead
> of Windows.

While I'd do that whenever I can it might turn out to be a problem
with laptops; how many laptop's are out there that are able to run
Linux? (Three [or so] years ago there was just one brand.) Laptops
seem to require exotic device drivers, AFAIR, and there is/was no
support from the manufacturers. Has that situation changed?

Janis
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Janis Papanagnou wrote:

> While I'd do that whenever I can it might turn out to be a problem
> with laptops; how many laptop's are out there that are able to run
> Linux? (Three [or so] years ago there was just one brand.) Laptops
> seem to require exotic device drivers, AFAIR, and there is/was no
> support from the manufacturers. Has that situation changed?

Short answer: Yes.

Slightly longer answer: We have five laptops in the house, all running
Kubuntu Linux; both of the two-year-old Dells and the Thinkpad without
any trouble at all, the ancient Dell and even older Gateway with some
minor adjustments. The newer versions of most distributions run on many
laptops out of the box.

Don't hope for support from the manufacturers, though; I was once told by
a Dell tech support critter, when I called it for a hardware problem,
that it was my own fault for not running Windows.

The Linux community, however, is a better bet. Some useful links:
www.linux-laptop.net
www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html
www.tuxmobil.org (also for running Linux on PDAs)

Raisse, killed by a grid bug

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On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 03:43:40PM +0200, Raisse the Thaumaturge wrote:
> Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>
> > While I'd do that whenever I can it might turn out to be a problem
> > with laptops; how many laptop's are out there that are able to run
> > Linux? (Three [or so] years ago there was just one brand.) Laptops
> > seem to require exotic device drivers, AFAIR, and there is/was no
> > support from the manufacturers. Has that situation changed?
>
> Short answer: Yes.
[...]
> The Linux community, however, is a better bet. Some useful links:
> www.linux-laptop.net
> www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html
> www.tuxmobil.org (also for running Linux on PDAs)

I am currently using a laptop shipped by www.linuxcertified.org. The
stock installation doesn't quite have the best drivers for everything
(although it does work quite well), but over time I've been able to
figure out how to get stuff working, and now I don't have any complaints
about it.


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Mekkis wrote:
>
> [Linux on Laptops to play Nethack]
>
> I have had much success with Suse on IBM laptops (I've done it on a R51,
> a R41, a T41, and a G40 without any problems). Detected everything
> right out of the box (except for a certain cisco wireless card :shudder:).

That's a plus and good to know.

There's only one problem for me; I am not sure I ever use the suse
distro again, they had built such a trashy environment, a lot needed
manual fixing - horrible. (May be not so big an issue if you accept
the system as they provide it. <shudder>)

> Learning vikeys makes playing nethack on a laptop much more enjoyable.

I feel comfortable with 'vi'. Keyboard mapping (qwerty/quertz) is
more of an issue; try moving NW with a qwertz keyboard.

Still didn't manage to kill a row of orcs using the 'dw' command.

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On Oct 15, 12:45 pm, Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Papanag....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> > Nah, that's still not far enough. He should just install Linux instead
> > of Windows. ;-)While I'd do that whenever I can it might turn out to be a problem
> with laptops; how many laptop's are out there that are able to run
> Linux? (Three [or so] years ago there was just one brand.) Laptops
> seem to require exotic device drivers, AFAIR, and there is/was no
> support from the manufacturers. Has that situation changed?
>
> Janis

I've a four-year-old Compaq Presario with 128Mb RAM happily running
Debian unstable. It's a pretty basic setup - all I use it for is web
browsing, some iPod management and a little coding (and nethack!). I
can't get the sound to quite work properly for internet things (but to
be fair I haven't really tried) and setting up the wireless network was
something of a pain, but it works perfectly now. Runs pretty quick, too
- the poor thing was really struggling with WinXP after a couple of
years.

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On 2006-10-18, Janis wrote:
> Mekkis wrote:
>> Learning vikeys makes playing nethack on a laptop much more enjoyable.
>
> I feel comfortable with 'vi'. Keyboard mapping (qwerty/quertz) is
> more of an issue; try moving NW with a qwertz keyboard.
>
> Still didn't manage to kill a row of orcs using the 'dw' command.

Yay! Ever tried ":%s/H/:/g" or something? Sounds useful.

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Ohle Claussen wrote:
> On 2006-10-18, Janis wrote:
>>Mekkis wrote:
>>
>>>Learning vikeys makes playing nethack on a laptop much more enjoyable.
>>
>>I feel comfortable with 'vi'. Keyboard mapping (qwerty/quertz) is
>>more of an issue; try moving NW with a qwertz keyboard.
>>
>>Still didn't manage to kill a row of orcs using the 'dw' command.
>
> Yay! Ever tried ":%s/H/:/g" or something? Sounds useful.

Quite so. I mean, not polymorph but genocide...
What I tried was the ":%s/L//g" genocide attempt.

"You know you've been playing too much NH when..." Janis
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Ohle Claussen wrote:
> On 2006-10-18, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> > Ohle Claussen wrote:
> >> On 2006-10-18, Janis wrote:
> >>>Mekkis wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Learning vikeys makes playing nethack on a laptop much more enjoyable.
> >>>
> >>>I feel comfortable with 'vi'. Keyboard mapping (qwerty/quertz) is
> >>>more of an issue; try moving NW with a qwertz keyboard.
> >>>
> >>>Still didn't manage to kill a row of orcs using the 'dw' command.
> >>
> >> Yay! Ever tried ":%s/H/:/g" or something? Sounds useful.
> >
> > Quite so. I mean, not polymorph but genocide...
> > What I tried was the ":%s/L//g" genocide attempt.
>
> Well, both your 'dw' and that leave a crippled map, unlike my suggestion.

Rather, all our suggestions do not work in vanilla NH, sadly. :-/
[ Is there any :ex patch out there? ('ex' for "extinguish"??) ]
(Have not yet found the option setting to activate that feature.)
But if you fear about crippled maps use ":%s/L/./g" instead.

> > "You know you've been playing too much NH when..." Janis
>
> Huh? I don't know what you're talking about.

Not sure if that is meant as a serious statement; in case it is see...
http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/nh/abbr-343.txt
and google for articles on YKYBPTMNW (or similar).

The background for using the "You know..." above was that I indeed
was once about to type in these letter to genocide monsters.

Janis
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