Well, that's it, the group's dead.

Honestly, I play on the WhiteWolf moderated chats, and I only keep a
regular eye on the Mage forum there...

The main problem is that WW isn't releasing splatbooks and novels at
the helter-skelter rate that it used to, so there's much less to
discuss on a regular basis, coupled with the disassociation from the
old storylines that has knocked so many of the legacy fans away from
the games...

Really, were you expecting anything different?
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It is rather sad. I have a lot of nostaligia for this group, as I cut
my Internet gaming discussion teeth here. It's saddened me to come
back now again only to see it slowly die. I contributed by not posting
here much lately, I guess, but it didn't help when most of my recent
posts were overlooked. Of course, I've overlooked plenty of posts by
not being here, so I can't legitimately gripe there.

*Salutes the newsgroup as it sinks beneath the waves.*
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I blame WW for not releasing the Mage line sooner.

-De
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I blame WW for ending OWOD.
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"Changeling ST" <ChangelingStoryTeller.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I blame WW for ending OWOD.
>

Hear hear...
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Changeling ST wrote:
> I blame WW for ending OWOD.

Bollocks. This group's traffic has been on the decline for years.
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Newsgroups as a whole have been declining since cheap and easy to use
forum software became widely avalible... now, it's mostly for all the
"w4R3z" and "pr0n" file transfers.

As to ending the oWoD, seriously, how can you be upset about it? All
the supernatural types were convinced from the start that the end was
comming (Apocalpse, Gehenna, Ascension, The Long Winter, ect), and
SOON, so it would be a huge cop out if they just kept milking the
splatbooks through 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th... edition. The game was
DESIGNED to end. Those who complain about it just seem to be whining
that someone else ruined their fun... but why? You can still play
using any or all of the material that you like. It just isn't getting
any new sourcebooks.

I like what they've done with the nWoD. Yes, it's lacking an overall
metaplot, but that just gives individual groups more space to
manipulate the world without bumping into this or that particular Elder
or Antedeluvian that happens to have their fingers into everything.
The system is cleaned up a lot now, and all the supernaturals can
interrelate stats easily, so crossover isn't such the nightmare it was
before... Overall, it's nifty.
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I guess for me, it's just that I put in a lot of time and effort the
WoD. And then BAM! No more. And there wasn't any real closure when
WW refused to publish the revised version of the Technocracy (after
printing only ItX), IMO.

But worse, it has taken them nearly forever to come out with a new Mage
book. And now...I'm not sure if I want to go out of my way to acquire
that book.

Bottom line, it's an emotional thing. It's like anything. You put
your time and effort into something as a fan, and then things change.
Can't look back, can't remain, can't move forward. So, you simply move
on. Summer's End. End of line. Mission accomplish, and all that.

And maybe that's the point of Mage.

The things we treasure the most is a fleeting thing, and as human
being, in order to truly live, we have to move on. Otherwise, we
become bound by the very things that was once dear to us.

Dead magic.

In end, I'll check out the new "World of Darkness". It's definitely
new territory. But, as they say, you can't go home again.

-De
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Big De wrote:
> I guess for me, it's just that I put in a lot of time and effort the
> WoD. And then BAM! No more. And there wasn't any real closure when
> WW refused to publish the revised version of the Technocracy (after
> printing only ItX), IMO.
>
> But worse, it has taken them nearly forever to come out with a new Mage
> book. And now...I'm not sure if I want to go out of my way to acquire
> that book.
>
> Bottom line, it's an emotional thing. It's like anything. You put
> your time and effort into something as a fan, and then things change.
> Can't look back, can't remain, can't move forward. So, you simply move
> on. Summer's End. End of line. Mission accomplish, and all that.
>
> And maybe that's the point of Mage.
>
> The things we treasure the most is a fleeting thing, and as human
> being, in order to truly live, we have to move on. Otherwise, we
> become bound by the very things that was once dear to us.
>
> Dead magic.
>
> In end, I'll check out the new "World of Darkness". It's definitely
> new territory. But, as they say, you can't go home again.

My advice: Just kick back and enjoy the wabi sabi.
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This group...dead?

I SAY THEE...NAY!!!

Fortunately, I have just finished mastering Void Circle
Necromancy...And so I command this group to RISE AGAIN!!!!

I invoke the hallowed name of Rii'Ch'd Klai'Ton!! By Stephenls'
Eyeglasses, I compel thee!! Lurking Shades, named and unnamed alike,
harken to my summons!!!

Eric Tolle, wilt thou lay forever unheard?

Michael Dracon, stand and take arms!

Christopher Adams, where art thou?

Picks-At-Flies, howl once more!

Pikathulu, I choose THEE!!

Shake off thy moldy dust, O Newsgroup, and walk amongst the living ONCE
MORE!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Dex,
going for that Stunt Bonus...^^
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Hand-of-Omega wrote:
> This group...dead?
>
> I SAY THEE...NAY!!!
>
> Fortunately, I have just finished mastering Void Circle
> Necromancy...And so I command this group to RISE AGAIN!!!!
>
> I invoke the hallowed name of Rii'Ch'd Klai'Ton!!

Summoned, I come. Beckoned, I attend. Commanded, I serve.
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Christopher Adams wrote:
> Richard Clayton wrote:
>> Hand-of-Omega wrote:
>>> This group...dead?
>>>
>>> I SAY THEE...NAY!!!
>>>
>>> Fortunately, I have just finished mastering Void Circle
>>> Necromancy...And so I command this group to RISE AGAIN!!!!
>>>
>>> I invoke the hallowed name of Rii'Ch'd Klai'Ton!!
>> Summoned, I come. Beckoned, I attend. Commanded, I serve.
>
> Comedy gold.
>
> I'm quite interested in ye Neuwe Worlde of Darkenesse. Less so Mage, but then
> that was always going to be true. I think Vampire is very cool and Werewolf is
> actually much better. I'm also excited about Promethean!
>
> Speaking of which . . . I might as well post some info on that.

Yes. Please do so! It might be the first nWoD "splat" I buy-- not that
I don't like the nWoD, I just don't own anything beyond the corebook,
because I already *have* a vampire game, a werewolf game, a magician
game, et cetera. But I don't have a Frankenstein game!
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Christopher Adams wrote:
> Richard Clayton wrote:
>> Christopher Adams wrote:
>>
>>> I'm quite interested in ye Neuwe Worlde of Darkenesse. Less so Mage,
>>> but then that was always going to be true. I think Vampire is very cool
>>> and Werewolf is actually much better. I'm also excited about Promethean!
>>>
>>> Speaking of which . . . I might as well post some info on that.
>> Yes. Please do so! It might be the first nWoD "splat" I buy-- not that
>> I don't like the nWoD, I just don't own anything beyond the corebook,
>> because I already *have* a vampire game, a werewolf game, a magician
>> game, et cetera. But I don't have a Frankenstein game!
>
> It's looking pretty fascinating. You should have seen the big post I made on the
> subject already, but I'll add that there are a few tidbits floating around about
> supplements, as well.
>
> For instance, when some people at RPG.Net expressed disappointment that all
> Prometheans are created from human corpses, the developer mentioned that there's
> a section addressing that topic in one of the first sourcebooks, which we can
> assume will be a Storyteller's guide. Apparently it will discuss rules for
> altering these elements in the same way, I presume, that the Requiem
> Chronicler's Guide discusses changing the way vampires work.
>
> What's interesting about the rest of the new World of Darkness, to me, is how
> some of the games - especially Werewolf - already have supplements which are
> useful to a core "mortals" game. So much so, in fact, that certain supplements
> intended for those games have been repurposed as "generic" World of Darkness
> supplements - "Shadows of the U.K.", for one, but even more relevantly,
> "Skinchangers" started life as a Werewolf supplement.

Hmmm. I did not know that!

> I respect the fact that you have an investment - not just financial - in the old
> Vampire, Werewolf, and Mage games, but (excepting Mage, which I'm just not that
> keen on, and which cannot fairly be compared to the old Mage) I think the new
> World of Darkness does supernaturals just plain better. One thing I really like
> is the fact that you can, functionally speaking, play Werewolf: The Apocalypse
> with Werewolf: The Forsaken; it's easy to touch on the same social and
> ecological themes *and* do much, much more besides. Likewise, with Vampire: The
> Requiem, you can set your city up to replicate the tone and feel of a Camarilla
> or Sabbat or contested city *or* explore other options.

Oh, no, I did not mean to imply that I have any particular stake in the
oWoD. Just that the likelihood of actually playing a vampire or werewolf
game in the near future is fairly low. Not that I don't like 'em, but
right now the games I am most likely to play are probably /Exalted/,
/Shadowrun/, or /Orpheus/. And I likely will move soon, so even those
are on the horizon for the moment.

> Add to that the fact that most all of the core World of Darkness supplements are
> themselves excellent - especially "Second Sight" - and I'm pretty damn happy
> with the change.
>
> Though I'll stamp my little foot and say that I hope the fifth World of Darkness
> game - which will be advertised in the back of Promethean: The Created - is a
> fresh take on Hunter: The Reckoning. Promethean already deviates from the
> "mortal + transformation" template (in that Prometheans were never human), so I
> think it wouldn't be out of line to revisit the idea of being a person forced to
> confront the supernatural.
>
> I don't think it's what they'll do, but I'd love to see the way they'd do it if
> they did.

I hope for a new /Mummy/ game, because that was always one of my favorites.
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