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Giftzwerg

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:40 pm
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In article <flu0ps$6eh$1@sunce.iskon.hr>,
george.washington RemoveThis @microsoft.com says...

> > Are you aware that people who get their software from Limewire and eDonkey
> > are THE VERY LAST ONES to be bothered by DMR schemes? 90% of the pirated
> > software available on the Net comes with the appropriate crack already
> > included; for the remaining 10% you only have to use Google.
>
> I would like that you mail to me a cracked copy of Distant Guns.

I never managed to make a pirated copy of MUPPET TREASURE ISLAND,
either, but that's not because of the fiendishly uncrackable copy
protection.

Hint. Hint.


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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:48 pm
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>> But, it's not quite democratic as you may think so. If it was then we
>> could
>> say that Nazi paintings on jewish shops "ACHTUNG JUDEN!" which just
>> attracted lowly German scum to take the brick and throw it at such
>> windows - were in fact democratic expressions...
>
> WTF are you babbling about here?

Sophism is philosophical method of torturing others with words Surprised)))
I am 9th level Sophist Master of Zen Budism Surprised)))


>> So as much as you think that publishers are NAZI toward you as a
>> customer,
>> vice versa you are NAZI toward them!
>
> <laughter>
>
> This is like saying a woman who fights off a rapist is guilty of acting
> violently against her assailant.
>
> CLUE: I don't act NAZI towards publishers *unless* they act NAZI
> against their customers. It's their choice.

Well, I doubt that Blizzard would sell 276 gazillion of software called
World of Warcraft if they were not some kind of a NAZI and in fact enorced
people to buy their software.
Oh, they should have provided free client software so that we don't use
BattleNet or such things :>


>> So you call those publishers NAZI and their DRM - NAZI DRM.
>
> Yup. Achtung, baby.

U2.

>> It's about copy
>> protection as you already know, not about GAME!
>
> This is like saying we need to evaluate automobiles without regard to
> what they cost - or the terms of the sale. I call bullshit on that
> notion.

Well, passing of Suez cost large ships 70000$ in the game of Ports of Call.
It's not for free. In Amsterdam if you don't put TWO locks on your bike it
is gone, stolen by some junkie who will sell it for 50 guldens... Surprised)))

So it is publisher's call what they will use, what kind of copy protection
for better or worse.

>> So you cannot accuse me that I am not buying Matrix Games and I was known
>> to
>> be not so kind to them. I buy all games that I like. 50$ for me is really
>> nothing now (in high school that was a lot of money LOL).
>
> Huh? Where - *exactly* - do I accuse you of anything?

OK, let's forget this Smile


Mario

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Bloodstar

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:50 pm
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> I check the headers to see if everyone is playing it honest - and not
> vote twice under a disguise for instance - no problems so far Smile

Damn, so we will have to use another PC or some kind of HideIP software?
Surprised)))


>> I just propose that this voting be "Non Activation Based Wargame of the
>> Year
>> 2007"
>> Because 80% of you have not bought any activation based wargames lately.
>
> So basically what you're saying is that activation hurts sales ? Glad
> you finally agree with our pov about it.

Yes, it hurt sales. 10 of you that will not buy those games will ruin
BFC.com etc... Surprised))))
They will have to go to Chinese take away instead of Italian restaraunts
this year.
Surprised)))

>> It is entertaining for my brain Surprised)))) However, you have noticed that I
>> have
>> not posted much lately. but I always like to serve the people and make
>> good
>> flame Surprised))))
>
> One could observe that you *only* post to flame, but do continue.


Surprised)))



>> Maybe just few people on the Internet are better than me: Derek Smart,
>> Oleg
>> Mastruko... Surprised))))
>
> Better at what ? Flaming ?


I was just teasing you...

>> Hi,
>>
>> http://www.armchairgeneral.com/articles.php?p=3716&page=1&cat=59
>>
>> ... and no ads for it to be seen Smile
>
>> ---
>>
>> I think that it was not aimed at me or it was a bait Smile At that time I
>> was
>> just lurking here Smile
>>
>> Now, explain to me and foremost to Hubert Cater, developer, what have you
>> wanted to say by this???
>> LOL Surprised))))
>
> Ok - I think I remember now - it was a post by someone claiming they
> only give good review scores to games if the publisher advertizes at
> the site.
>
> My one sentence reply was a link to a game getting good review scores,
> yet the publisher never/rarely advertizes there.
>
> Sorry if this went over your head a bit Smile
>
> Could you post the URL of the forum entry so I can have a look at the
> context again ?


It was here on usenet. OK, let's forget this then Smile)


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(Msg. 34) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:59 pm
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> Do a google for 'distant guns cracked version'. There are places that
> at least promise that they have it, no clue whether there's anything
> actually on those sites or not <shrug>.

http://forums.megagames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48644

I hope that someone will help this guy out! LOL


>>But when we come to money milking Blizzard "I get no life" World of
>>Warcraft
>>all pirates get in the line and actually get the game and pay monthly fee
>>to
>>play it. So developer just need to use a right stick and a right carrot,
>>but
>>not give anything for free.
>>
>
> Guess again. A simple google will show you that not only can you play
> for free, you even have 1000s of private servers to choose from.

Well, I am not player of WoW myself but know some people who play it or
Guild Wars. Guess what, all of them have original games and pay monthly
fees...

Who would expect that from those cheap guys who prefer pirated games over
originals and some are in fact evangelist of pirated games and consider
buying originals as helping those rich capitalist a la Oprah who have so
much money that is droping from their pockets while they walk and who
actually don't want to support rich people getting richer - hey they buy WoW
original and pay monthly fee... Blizzard is smiling and counting green
ones....
Even Starcraft 2 will be massively popular as it is matter of prestige to
play online with original game. There is also a matter of big names -
Blizzard have won hands down here hearts of gamers around the world and big
percent of gamers will in fact buy original Starcraft 2. Installed fan base
is so huge. And you know that fans will give last coin for things they like.


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James D Burns

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:04 pm
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<eddysterckx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:62bfce31-b244-42f4-9307-3232709345d5@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

"But what they would like to know is how their fellow developers/
publishers rate their work,"


This would only work if you allowed just one developer from each company to
vote. Otherwise large companies will win due to more employees voting for
their games. Another option would be to prohibit developers from voting for
their own products.

While I think there are a few honorable people out there, my bet is most
developers will rate their own games the highest, since a high mark is good
PR and helps sell more games. These guys are in business to sell games,
it'll be very hard for them to vote honestly as just *gamers* when their
wallets are directly effected by the final scores.

Jim
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:17 pm
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On 8 jan, 07:55, BP <re....TakeThisOut@newsgroup.please> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:05:05 -0500,
>
> The problem is (as I think Eddy's been trying to get across...) that
> these are not distinct sets. How often has the point been made in here
> that developing wargames is not the most sensible way to make a
> living, unless it is done at least partly as a labor of love? Most if
> not all of the "developers" you want to ban are also wargamers and
> "customers".

Exactly - you summed it up pretty good in a single paragraph.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:24 pm
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On 8 jan, 07:04, "James D Burns" <jburns7... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> it'll be very hard for them to vote honestly as just *gamers* when their
> wallets are directly effected by the final scores.

Personally I don't think a good score in a semi-serious poll in this
little dark alley of the 'Net is really important saleswise but we'll
see once the secret votes are in if that's the case or not

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:28 pm
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On 7 jan, 23:12, "Laryngoscope" <Laryngosc... RemoveThis @glottis.com> wrote:

> Not that it matters, but by releasing interim results you are apt to bias
> future voting behaviour.

Got a few request by email to give an interim result - humans are
curious monkeys Smile

> It also destroys any anticipation for the final outcome if the likely
> winners are known well in advance.

You're probably right - will not do that next year - but I can't stop
people doing their own calculations.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:30 pm
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On 8 jan, 00:00, Big Salad <big.sa....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The results are already in the open.  Eddy is just doing the accounting
> work that I would otherwise have to do on my own time, but presumably he
> is getting paid while doing it.

Yup.

But people are lazy - I don't think anyone else bothers to keep the
score Smile

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:32 pm
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On 8 jan, 00:12, "Laryngoscope" <Laryngosc... RemoveThis @glottis.com> wrote:
>
> True, however I doubt that anyone else but Eddy is actually doing the
> counting ...

Just posted exactly the same thought Smile

> > but presumably he is getting paid while doing it.
>
> Paid? Really?

Doing it on company time - a non-wargame company Smile

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Eddy Sterckx
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:41 pm
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On 7 jan, 21:50, "Bloodstar" <george.washing... RemoveThis @microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> It was here on usenet. OK, let's forget this then Smile)

I figured it out.

LOL - you silly boy - you actually thought I had made a disparaging
remark about SC2WAW - that's why you thought I had to explain myself
in front of the developer.

You thought I had said that SC2WAW got a good score *because* the site
had ads for it, while I actually said that SC2WAW got a good score
*despite* the fact the site had *no* ads for it.

Man, you must have felt silly when it dawned upon you Smile

Well, FWIW : if you dig deep and hard enough you're bound to find a
post by me somewhere which contains something very, very stupid. Keep
digging so we can all have a good laugh at it.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:51 pm
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On 7 jan, 19:43, Raging Tiger <RagingTi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess that, since I was involved in some way in either design,
> scenario creation, or beta testing in no less than 3 of the top vote-
> getters so far, my vote wouldn't count, even if I were to promise to
> only vote for games I own and have actually played...

Sure it would - and your vote is ?

> BTW, as a person who has a monetary stake in games I've made or helped
> make, I think there should definitely be a form of DRM to protect what
> I and others like me have created.

You missed the point.

Little fairytale :

There once was a writer who didn't like some people were photo-copying
his books instead of buying them, so he convinced his publisher to
print his next book in a dark red font on a dark green background. His
plan worked perfectly : people were unable to photo-copy his book.
Unfortunately he didn't sell that many books either because the people
who were willing to pay for it found out it was too much a PITA to
read. His accountant was not happy, but the writer managed to delude
himself into thinking that without the green on red font even less
people would have bought the book and more would have photo-copied it
so his next book also went out in the same font ...

This is not a fairytale with a happy ending.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:55 pm
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On 8 jan, 02:34, Oleg Mastruko <o... DeleteThis @bug.hr> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:23:04 -0800 (PST), "eddyster...@hotmail.com"
>
> <eddyster... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >And another thing : I've now received two emails from developers/
> >publishers who said they'd love to vote, but can't because of the fear
> >of offending someone so I propose the following : they send me their
> >vote by email, it won't be counted for the purposes of the election
> >above but if enough of them mail me to make it significant I'll post
> >the separate result as well. Their anonymity will, of course, be
> >respected.
>
>         WOW!!! What a reaction you got to this....
>
>         I am OK with devs voting but I think they should do so publicly.
> They might offend someone? So what, we all might offend someone...

I hear you, Mr. "Playing against the AI is for sissies" Smile

> hell I might have offended someone with this very post Surprised)

Pfft, as if you care Smile

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Eddy Sterckx
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:55 am
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:05:05 -0500, Giftzwerg wrote:

>So I don't "suspect" anything. I just assert that we should keep this
>for wargamers and not for wargame developers.
>
>> See, that's why I called it "murky" - because it'll get complicated
>> real fast - lot's of grey areas. So the KISS principle wins out here.
>
>I feel the same way. Even simpler, in fact. No developers. Only
>customers.

The problem is (as I think Eddy's been trying to get across...) that
these are not distinct sets. How often has the point been made in here
that developing wargames is not the most sensible way to make a
living, unless it is done at least partly as a labor of love? Most if
not all of the "developers" you want to ban are also wargamers and
"customers".

Eddy's KISS system here gives one person one vote. I don't see it as
unreasonable for any developer to exercise that vote, even Jim Rose.
Yeah, what a shock it would be if he votes Distant Guns #1 - but so
what? You really think one vote by one guy is going to skew a whole
election?

BP
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:18 am
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On Jan 8, 1:24 am, pprocto....RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > And under your proposed rules Arjuna could vote for AATF and Pat
> > > Proctor for BFTB - wouldn't you suspect collusion in that case ?
>
> > We have to be practical about this.  I mean, it's not like anyone is
> > asking for identification here; for all I know, <developer's name here>
> > has already voted seven times under seven different sock-puppet nyms.
>
> I plan on logging in as the MI5 Persecution guy and voting for XBOX
> Live UNO!
>
> PAT PROCTOR
> President, ProSIM Companyhttp://www.prosimco.com/writing

The black chopper is on its way - better put on your tinfoil hat
*now*!
Wink

I'd urge you to vote. In this Anarchy every vote actually counts...


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