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Since: Oct 19, 2007 Posts: 58
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(Msg. 136) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:28 pm
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HermanH wrote:
> On Jan 9, 5:36 pm, Giftzwerg <giftzwerg... DeleteThis @NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <1c80983b-1c81-448e-b432-
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>> Are you saying that you simply compare "number of games sold" to "number
>> of IP addresses logged" and view any discrepancy as *piracy*!?!??!?
>
> Good point. I use a dial up connection so I generate a new IP every
> time I log on. The game probably considers me a veritable cove of
> pirates by the number of IP I generate, no?
Same here. However, even though we dial-up users get a new IP each
time they log on to the net, those IP addresses are a subset of our
ISP's IP. So in theory we might be identified that way, but what
happens if an ISP has 2 or more dial-up customers who have purchased
the game? What happens when there are dozens? Hundreds? If all
that's being queried are IP addresses, then the system is essentially
worthless.
In a similar vein, what about people who install the game on laptops
which access the net via a wireless connection? They get different IP
addresses for each wireless access point they log in through; one for
work, one for home, one for the internet cafe they like to hang out
in, and one each for their friends' houses, etc. IP address logging
is a system so fraught with the potential for generating *bad* data
that it isn't even worth discussing seriously.
He also misuses the term "proprietary." All we're really interested
in is numbers - hard data. The method that generates the data may be
proprietary, but not the data itself. But since he's just told us all
about it and it's obviously inadequate, whatever numbers he has are
useless.
--
"Man will always be Man. We tried so hard to create a society that
was equal, where there'd be nothing to envy your neighbor. But
there's always something to envy: a smile; a friendship; something you
don't have and want to appropriate. In this world, even a Soviet one,
there will always be rich and poor; rich in gifts - poor in gifts,
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Since: May 13, 2005 Posts: 1293
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(Msg. 137) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:34 am
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On 10 jan, 00:28, Raging Tiger <RagingTi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> being a game designer and dealing with retarded
> people has given me a skin thick enough <snip>
It's funny but at a certain level I could understand this.
This happened 5 minutes ago :
Manager : somebody is getting an error when he tries to copy a record.
Me (staying calm) : I need the following info : who is getting the
problem, what's the error and which record is he trying to copy
Manager : this is the error <screenshot of the error > which he mailed
me.
Me : ok, and who is getting the error and on what record
Manager : this guy who mailed me, on the record he wants to copy
At this point I take a look at my paycheck and decide it's still worth
it, but only just, so I carefully explain that I might know a lot of
things, but not who just mailed him and that knowing which record he's
trying to copy is also beyond my divine powers.
What everyone who works in IT knows is that normal people behave like
morons when it comes to computer problems. Nobody with an IQ over 40
would phone their doctor with "doctor, doctor, someone has a ache
somewhere when he does something" - here they know the info they
provide is not enough to fix the problem, but when it comes to
computers those moron-level questions are standard.
I'd love to hear a theory as to why this is so.
Greetz,
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Since: May 13, 2005 Posts: 1293
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(Msg. 138) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:33 am
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On 11 jan, 15:21, Giftzwerg <giftzwerg....DeleteThis@NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <e4be13dc-2767-4971-8b29-064c110a9960
> @k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, eddyster....DeleteThis@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > being a game designer and dealing with retarded
> > > people has given me a skin thick enough <snip>
>
> > It's funny but at a certain level I could understand this.
>
> > This happened 5 minutes ago :
>
> > Manager : somebody is getting an error when he tries to copy a record.
> > Me (staying calm) : I need the following info : who is getting the
> > problem, what's the error and which record is he trying to copy
> > Manager : this is the error <screenshot of the error > which he mailed
> > me.
> > Me : ok, and who is getting the error and on what record
> > Manager : this guy who mailed me, on the record he wants to copy
>
> But lemme guess; despite your frustration with this idiot, you didn't
> immediately dash off a note on $ork's public bulletin board that read,
> "I GOTTA HAVE A THICK SKIN DUE TO ALL THE RETARDS AT THIS COMPANY."
No, that's what this ng is for - to vent - and to tell the unvarnished
truth
> > What everyone who works in IT knows is that normal people behave like
> > morons when it comes to computer problems. Nobody with an IQ over 40
> > would phone their doctor with "doctor, doctor, someone has a ache
> > somewhere when he does something" - here they know the info they
> > provide is not enough to fix the problem, but when it comes to
> > computers those moron-level questions are standard.
>
> Mrs. G. (the nurse) would be rolling on the floor laughing at this.
>
> *Everyone* phones the doctor with *exactly* this kind of complaint.
<speechless> They do ? Must be.
This actually makes me feel better as I was beginning to suspect a
Grand Conspiracy whereby all galactic level morons somehow always
gravitate towards companies I work for.
Greetz,
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Since: Jan 11, 2008 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 139) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:30 am
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On Jan 11, 7:33 am, "eddyster...@hotmail.com"
<eddyster....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 11 jan, 15:21, Giftzwerg <giftzwerg....RemoveThis@NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <e4be13dc-2767-4971-8b29-064c110a9960
> > @k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, eddyster....RemoveThis@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > > being a game designer and dealing with retarded
> > > > people has given me a skin thick enough <snip>
>
> > > It's funny but at a certain level I could understand this.
>
> > > This happened 5 minutes ago :
>
> > > Manager : somebody is getting an error when he tries to copy a record.
> > > Me (staying calm) : I need the following info : who is getting the
> > > problem, what's the error and which record is he trying to copy
> > > Manager : this is the error <screenshot of the error > which he mailed
> > > me.
> > > Me : ok, and who is getting the error and on what record
> > > Manager : this guy who mailed me, on the record he wants to copy
>
> > But lemme guess; despite your frustration with this idiot, you didn't
> > immediately dash off a note on $ork's public bulletin board that read,
> > "I GOTTA HAVE A THICK SKIN DUE TO ALL THE RETARDS AT THIS COMPANY."
>
> No, that's what this ng is for - to vent - and to tell the unvarnished
> truth
>
> > > What everyone who works in IT knows is that normal people behave like
> > > morons when it comes to computer problems. Nobody with an IQ over 40
> > > would phone their doctor with "doctor, doctor, someone has a ache
> > > somewhere when he does something" - here they know the info they
> > > provide is not enough to fix the problem, but when it comes to
> > > computers those moron-level questions are standard.
>
> > Mrs. G. (the nurse) would be rolling on the floor laughing at this.
>
> > *Everyone* phones the doctor with *exactly* this kind of complaint.
>
> <speechless> They do ? Must be.
>
True story here. Almost 20 years ago I worked for an owner of the
company who was into graphology - handwriting analysis - and used it
to "analyze" physical problems for those of us that worked for him.
He decided that my handwriting showed I had or would shortly have
stomach problems - ulcer, or something else but I felt fine. He
orders me to the doctor, no choice, although it took me 6 months to
finally agree. You can guess how that call went.
Me "I need to see the doctor"
Receptionist "What is wrong?"
"Nothing"
"Then why do you need to see a doctor?"
"My boss looked at my handwriting and thinks I have stomach problems"
"Sorry, but there isn't much we can do if you don't have anything
wrong with you - maybe he can fix your handwriting"
"I know, I feel like an idiot but he ordered me to see a doctor"
And I hung up, feeling really stupid, but I hope the receptionist got
at least a bit of a laugh out of the slapstick and the owner finally
dropped it, and 20 years later still no stomach problems :-0. >> Stay informed about: Wargame_of_the_Year_2007_election__-_current_statu |
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Since: Mar 23, 2005 Posts: 728
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(Msg. 140) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:21 am
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In article <e4be13dc-2767-4971-8b29-064c110a9960
@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, eddysterckx.DeleteThis@hotmail.com says...
> > being a game designer and dealing with retarded
> > people has given me a skin thick enough <snip>
>
> It's funny but at a certain level I could understand this.
>
> This happened 5 minutes ago :
>
> Manager : somebody is getting an error when he tries to copy a record.
> Me (staying calm) : I need the following info : who is getting the
> problem, what's the error and which record is he trying to copy
> Manager : this is the error <screenshot of the error > which he mailed
> me.
> Me : ok, and who is getting the error and on what record
> Manager : this guy who mailed me, on the record he wants to copy
But lemme guess; despite your frustration with this idiot, you didn't
immediately dash off a note on $ork's public bulletin board that read,
"I GOTTA HAVE A THICK SKIN DUE TO ALL THE RETARDS AT THIS COMPANY."
> What everyone who works in IT knows is that normal people behave like
> morons when it comes to computer problems. Nobody with an IQ over 40
> would phone their doctor with "doctor, doctor, someone has a ache
> somewhere when he does something" - here they know the info they
> provide is not enough to fix the problem, but when it comes to
> computers those moron-level questions are standard.
Mrs. G. (the nurse) would be rolling on the floor laughing at this.
*Everyone* phones the doctor with *exactly* this kind of complaint.
> I'd love to hear a theory as to why this is so.
People are the stars of their own movie, thus they can't conceive of a
problem when they call IT and blurt:
"I'm having a problem with my computer. Give me a call <click!>."
--
Giftzwerg
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"In the wake of the unexpected outcome of the New Hampshire Democrat
primary Tuesday, sources at the Democrat National Committee (DNC) said
they're still trying to figure out whom to sue amid a flurry of
allegations of fraud, malfunctioning electronic voting machines and
voter intimidation."
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Since: Mar 23, 2005 Posts: 728
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(Msg. 141) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:24 am
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In article <db4fa00e-4ec3-47b2-870d-1f79561c9ba7
@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, eddysterckx DeleteThis @hotmail.com says...
> > > What everyone who works in IT knows is that normal people behave like
> > > morons when it comes to computer problems. Nobody with an IQ over 40
> > > would phone their doctor with "doctor, doctor, someone has a ache
> > > somewhere when he does something" - here they know the info they
> > > provide is not enough to fix the problem, but when it comes to
> > > computers those moron-level questions are standard.
> >
> > Mrs. G. (the nurse) would be rolling on the floor laughing at this.
> >
> > *Everyone* phones the doctor with *exactly* this kind of complaint.
>
> <speechless> They do ? Must be.
Mrs. G.'s Iron Rule of diagnosis is, "First you must guess *the
complaint*. Only then can you begin to formulate a diagnosis."
She worked some time ago at the emergency room, and her favorite story
is of a 60-ish man who was admitted complaining of, "agonizing chest
pains that came on suddenly." To make a (very!) long story short, the
frustrated ER team, having done every cardiology test in the book, was
running down his medical history when the innocuous question "have you
ever been involved in a serious accident?" appeared.
"Yes" said the patient, "a head-on car crash."
"When?" says Mrs. G.
<patient looks at wristwatch>
"About three hours ago."
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"In the wake of the unexpected outcome of the New Hampshire Democrat
primary Tuesday, sources at the Democrat National Committee (DNC) said
they're still trying to figure out whom to sue amid a flurry of
allegations of fraud, malfunctioning electronic voting machines and
voter intimidation."
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Since: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 406
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(Msg. 142) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:06 pm
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>> Excuse me, but isn't that what every company does? Is there any
>> company out there that tries to minimize profits?
>
> Not the collectivists ones
Oh, shut up you killer of innocent negros in Kongo.  )))) You and your King
Leopold will face trial  )))
Look, I will regret my comeback on Usenet if you continue with this
nonsense.
I am GUESSING Matrix sales - I am not fortune teller or I don't know God  ,
to know exactly...
You don't have to be accurate as we know that sales of wargames are abysmal.
This is my answer to Paul as well.
Mr. Paul,
As you know not lot's of wargamers buy too many titles a year, we have
evidence even here on this voting. So logically putting out too many titles
as Matrix is doing will by math maybe increase a little bit sales for Matrix
but individually will decrease sale per developer. Do you know many guys who
buy 20 wargames a year?
Other I will not comment because I don't say that I am SO RIGHT or what
else, I just guess until those responsible provide numbers.
Have a nice day.
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Since: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 451
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(Msg. 143) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:31 pm
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> Oh, shut up you killer of innocent negros in Kongo. ))))
Maybe some of them cheated on the wives, who knows?  ))))
> Look, I will regret my comeback on Usenet if you continue with this
> nonsense.
[A forest of "GO, EDDY, GO!" signs comes up!]
> I am GUESSING Matrix sales - I am not fortune teller or I don't know God
> , to know exactly...
Are you aware that the second part is not good maketing for the first one?
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(Msg. 144) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:54 pm
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Since: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 451
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(Msg. 145) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:45 pm
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Since: Dec 04, 2007 Posts: 11
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(Msg. 146) Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:49 pm
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eddysterckx.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 10 jan, 00:28, Raging Tiger <RagingTi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What everyone who works in IT knows is that normal people behave like
> morons when it comes to computer problems. Nobody with an IQ over 40
> would phone their doctor with "doctor, doctor, someone has a ache
> somewhere when he does something" - here they know the info they
> provide is not enough to fix the problem, but when it comes to
> computers those moron-level questions are standard.
>
> I'd love to hear a theory as to why this is so.
>
Possibly because people have a better idea of how their body works than
how computers work.
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Since: May 13, 2005 Posts: 1293
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(Msg. 147) Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:29 am
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On 11 jan, 21:49, psynnott <holditREM... DeleteThis @THEindigoCAPS.ie> wrote:
> eddyster... DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> > On 10 jan, 00:28, Raging Tiger <RagingTi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What everyone who works in IT knows is that normal people behave like
>
> > morons when it comes to computer problems. Nobody with an IQ over 40
> > would phone their doctor with "doctor, doctor, someone has a ache
> > somewhere when he does something" - here they know the info they
> > provide is not enough to fix the problem, but when it comes to
> > computers those moron-level questions are standard.
>
> > I'd love to hear a theory as to why this is so.
>
> Possibly because people have a better idea of how their body works than
> how computers work.
Granted - but you also get this sort of questions from people who've
been working with computers for over a decade. I mean, I don't know a
single thing about car mechanics but when there's a problem with my
car you won't find me phoning the garage with a "my car won't run"
message without also telling them that there's a grating sound when I
turn the ignition key, that "me" is <name> and that the car is of
<type> and gazzed up so that can't be the problem.
It almost looks like people don't *want* to know the slightest thing
about a device they spend a solid part of their working hours with.
Greetz,
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(Msg. 148) Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:28 pm
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:12:10 -0800 (PST), "eddysterckx@hotmail.com"
<eddysterckx RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>In a Balkan context that's like trying to insult a Croat by referring
>to deplorable actions done by their Turkish sultan/supreme mufti in
>the same time period.
Turks never had majority of Croats under their rule. Croats (and
Serbs) preferred relocation to being under Turk rule, that's why we
have Bosnia today (a black hole in the middle of Europe). However we
had Austrians and Venetians on our side which is good (I am especially
fond of Venetians, I am thinking of declaring myself Venetian but am
reluctant for some people will consider it the same thing as Italian
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(Msg. 149) Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:40 am
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In message
<8c1d79ec-3d1d-4c8f-bad3-039f25508ce5.DeleteThis@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Paulo Vicente <Paulo.Alexandre.Vicente.DeleteThis@gmail.com> writes
>On 9 Jan, 00:20, pprocto....DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> I don't care to share the exact percentage, but I think wargamers
>> would be shocked at how many people are playing the release version of
>> the game vs. how many people actually paid for it. If every full
>> version of ATF now being played had been paid for, we would be able to
>> outsource much of the work we now do in house and turn out many more
>> titles than we currently do. Piracy DOES hurt the hobby in a
>> significant, measurable way.
>>
>
>Ok , I'm curious, could you please tell us what that percentage is,
>and most important of all, how did you calculate it?
>
And much more to the point, what percentage of those people using a
pirated version would have paid the full price if piracy was genuinely
impossible? That's the nub of the matter - in practice this number would
be tiny, especially in the wargame segment of the market. And of course
the anti-piracy software does not remotely prevent piracy. So in
practice you inconvenience your paying customers, don't inconvenience
the pirates, and to top it all off, you don't even make a significant
extra income. It's yet another example of the comm"something must be
done" stupidity - even if the "something" is ineffective or even
counterproductive.
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(Msg. 150) Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:56 am
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On 13 jan, 01:40, John Secker <J....DeleteThis@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> It's yet another example of the comm"something must be
> done" stupidity - even if the "something" is ineffective or even
> counterproductive.
Sony BMG was the last of the Big Four to ditch DRM - they did so last
Thursday. All thanks to commercial pressure - people weren't buying
their DRM'ed stuff anymore.
The wargame world was a couple years behind the music industry for
incorporating DRM, let's see how long it takes for their penny to
drop ...
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