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Since: Jan 04, 2005 Posts: 146
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(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:01 pm
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On the 31 Dec 2007, Giftzwerg <giftzwerg999.RemoveThis@NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com>
wrote:
> In article <18e1065a4f.jades.RemoveThis@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>,
> nospam.RemoveThis@jades.org says...
>> My only real complaint is that the final price from the Matrix Games /
>> Digital River site of £40.22 ($80) was maybe a little on the pricy
>> side but this is almost completely outweighed by the overall quality
>> of what I bought.
> Yikes! How can this be?!? I'd have thunk that the weak dollar would
> have made an American-published product cheaper to buy for you guys
> getting paid in mighty Pounds and Euros.
I bought it off the European site. First off, remember The Games
Industry Law of UK Pricing - "take the USA price, and substitute a
pound sign for the dollar one." Secondly, the price I mentioned
included UK VAT at 17.5%. Thirdly, I opted for physical shipment so
the price of that and the attendant postage and packing also need to
be taken into account.
By way of comparison, I believe the standard new-release RRP of PC
games in the UK is about £35 or $70 (I buy so few games these days I'm
not actually sure, other UK posters will be able to confirm) and it's
highly unlikely that the printed manual, if you get one, will be
anywhere near as good as the CAW one.
In hindsight it would've been cheaper to get it from somewhere like
NWS but then I'd be running the risk of getting whacked with Import
Duty and the assorted collection fees related to it like I did when I
imported the Special Edition of Civ III.
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Since: Mar 23, 2005 Posts: 728
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:01 pm
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In article <419d0c5a4f.jades RemoveThis @d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>,
nospam RemoveThis @jades.org says...
> >> My only real complaint is that the final price from the Matrix Games /
> >> Digital River site of £40.22 ($80) was maybe a little on the pricy
> >> side but this is almost completely outweighed by the overall quality
> >> of what I bought.
>
> > Yikes! How can this be?!? I'd have thunk that the weak dollar would
> > have made an American-published product cheaper to buy for you guys
> > getting paid in mighty Pounds and Euros.
>
> I bought it off the European site. First off, remember The Games
> Industry Law of UK Pricing - "take the USA price, and substitute a
> pound sign for the dollar one." Secondly, the price I mentioned
> included UK VAT at 17.5%. Thirdly, I opted for physical shipment so
> the price of that and the attendant postage and packing also need to
> be taken into account.
>
> By way of comparison, I believe the standard new-release RRP of PC
> games in the UK is about £35 or $70 (I buy so few games these days I'm
> not actually sure, other UK posters will be able to confirm) and it's
> highly unlikely that the printed manual, if you get one, will be
> anywhere near as good as the CAW one.
>
> In hindsight it would've been cheaper to get it from somewhere like
> NWS but then I'd be running the risk of getting whacked with Import
> Duty and the assorted collection fees related to it like I did when I
> imported the Special Edition of Civ III.
Ouch. Gotta be a "third way" solution to this sort of nonsense.
Maybe we need to informally set up a war-historical global clearinghouse
where one of the American members of the group can purchase the serial
number and downloaded file at US prices, then you can pay us back with
your strong-currency European clout, using the real rates of exchange.
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Giftzwerg
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clown like Huckabee if there were a serious primary in Iowa, let alone
if the process were kicked off in Chicago or Los Angeles or Atlanta."
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Since: Nov 08, 2007 Posts: 83
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:20 am
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> Uhm, Erik, maybe you missed our new rule where a game published at the end
> of the year is counted into the next year - a rule born from the fact that
> Air Assault Task Force (published at the end of 2006) couldn't be really
> appreciated in 2006. This is why it is included in the 2007's list (and it
> is among my picks BTW). The same, from this edition of the WotY, will be
> true for all the games that get published late in a certain year.
Totally missed it, sorry, but I didn't see the one game from our
catalog that would qualify on the list (Forge of Freedom, Nov. 29,
2006 release date)
Regards,
- Erik >> Stay informed about: Wargame of the Year 2007 election |
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Since: May 13, 2005 Posts: 1293
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:07 am
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On 1 jan, 09:20, ERutins <er... RemoveThis @matrixgames.com> wrote:
> > Uhm, Erik, maybe you missed our new rule where a game published at the end
> > of the year is counted into the next year - a rule born from the fact that
> > Air Assault Task Force (published at the end of 2006) couldn't be really
> > appreciated in 2006. This is why it is included in the 2007's list (and it
> > is among my picks BTW). The same, from this edition of the WotY, will be
> > true for all the games that get published late in a certain year.
>
> Totally missed it, sorry, but I didn't see the one game from our
> catalog that would qualify on the list (Forge of Freedom, Nov. 29,
> 2006 release date)
The list is not a closed list of nominees and everyone can add games
at will (it says so too in the OP).
I'll put you down for Forge of Freedom : 5 points then ? I know it's
a bit of a no-no as you're a publisher of other games too but let's
just say this is Erik Rutins - the wargamer - voting and not Erik
Rutins - the publisher. I'm sure people will see the difference
Greetz,
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Since: May 13, 2005 Posts: 1293
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:27 am
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On 31 dec 2007, 23:18, "Gil R." <g....RemoveThis@west-civ.com> wrote:
> I find the current practice unfair to any
> games released so late in the year, and would hope that if the start-
> date for voting will continue to be this early, at least voting will
> last for the full month.
Casting votes drops off after the initial week - I usually post a
"current score" then and then there's a second wave which dies out
within the week. Given past experience it makes little sense to
prolong it beyond the 2 weeks which has the added advantage of keeping
it fresh in everyone's mind.
I know it's not perfect - but this is UseNet
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx >> Stay informed about: Wargame of the Year 2007 election |
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Since: Jul 02, 2005 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:43 am
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Since: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 406
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:06 am
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Since: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 451
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:34 am
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> but I think that December 31st
> is still too early and I think judging wargames is not the same as
> judging mainstream games, where the "latest" is often considered the
> greatest. I think you could make a case for the end of January, at
> least then games that were purchased for Christmas have had a chance
> to be played and understood.
Uhm, Erik, maybe you missed our new rule where a game published at the end
of the year is counted into the next year - a rule born from the fact that
Air Assault Task Force (published at the end of 2006) couldn't be really
appreciated in 2006. This is why it is included in the 2007's list (and it
is among my picks BTW). The same, from this edition of the WotY, will be
true for all the games that get published late in a certain year. >> Stay informed about: Wargame of the Year 2007 election |
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Since: Sep 24, 2005 Posts: 15
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:22 am
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Since: May 13, 2005 Posts: 1293
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:01 am
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On 1 jan, 15:22, pprocto....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> > And to make it
> > absolutely clear : voting for AATF will *not* increase your chances of
> > winning it (*).
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> But it won't HURT your chances, either
LOL - 5 points for AATF then ?
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Since: Dec 18, 2007 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:46 am
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Since: Nov 08, 2007 Posts: 83
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:06 am
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> I'll put you down for Forge of Freedom : 5 points then ? I know it's
> a bit of a no-no as you're a publisher of other games too but let's
> just say this is Erik Rutins - the wargamer - voting and not Erik
> Rutins - the publisher. I'm sure people will see the difference
Eddy,
No, I'm not voting - I'm just being opinionated.
The thing is, FOF had a longer than usual release. It was the first
game we released with printed manuals (and there were a lot of
glitches in the process), so while the download release went live on
November 29th, it took until late January for the physical copies to
be available. Combine that with its ongoing development through 2007
and I just consider it a 2007 game much more than a 2006 one.
Outside of FOF though, we have a tendency to release a bunch of games
in November - December and I'm just adding my $.02 suggestion on when
the year should be judged. If you wait until the end of January, you
probably won't have to consider carrying games over at all. Anyway,
I'm beating a dead horse here so I'll just go back to being a lurker
now.
Regards,
- Erik >> Stay informed about: Wargame of the Year 2007 election |
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Since: Jan 11, 2006 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:06 pm
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My choices:
1. AGEOD'S American Civil War. Good gamedepth, a campaign and nice graphics.
2. Making History
3. Commander : Europe at War.
Other 2007 gems for me: the modded versions of Medieval 2, Totalwar:
Kingdoms. Europa Universalis III and Galciv II: Dark Avatar, however they
are all considered strategy games.
Dud of the year: Theatre of War. Seems Battlefront went from a quality
producer to one that pffft..... >> Stay informed about: Wargame of the Year 2007 election |
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Since: Jan 11, 2005 Posts: 228
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:06 pm
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Graham Thurlwell <nospam.RemoveThis@jades.org> wrote:
> On the 31 Dec 2007, Oleg Mastruko <oleg.RemoveThis@bug.hr> wrote:
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> <snip>
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>> 2. Silent Hunter 4
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> I meant to buy that this year, but a combination of my PC acting up
> for most of the year (so I wouldn't have been able to run it anyway)
> and reports of a large number of bugs meant I decided against getting
> it. How stable is it now?
in my experience, it's very stable. i play it with several mods and i've
never had it crash or act up on me. i think all of the major bugs have
been squashed by now.
a new patch came out just a few weeks ago, and that, coupled with a few
key mods, have turned it into quite a good game.
> Current PC is 3.4GHz Pentium D with 2GB RAM and an X1650 Pro (512MB,
> AGP) graphics card. Seems to cope very well with SH3 but I understand
> SH4 has bigger requirements than the earlier game.
it should run fine on that machine, albeit with some of the graphical
settings turned down. not as fast as sh3 obviously, but definitely
playable. the latest patch also includes some optimizations that have
basically halved the loading times.
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Since: Nov 16, 2007 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:11 pm
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>>> I think you could make a case for
>>>the end of January, at least then
>>>games that were purchased for Christmas
>>>have had a chance to be played and
>>>understood. I don't think wargames
>>>can be accurately reviewed 2 weeks
>>>after release, at least based on my
>>>experience and pretty much every
>>>release these days gets not only updates for fixes
>>>but also for improvements. Just my $.02...
This attitude is poisoning computer wargaming.
Should not a criterion for a "Wargame of the Year"
be that it is published in a good state, without
the need for fixes or improvements so significant
as to change a judgement of the game? That it is
so well-designed that you don't have to spend weeks
"understanding" it?
Every year we seem to drop the bar a bit, to the
extent that patches are now being called "re-releases,"
and with a few exceptions I don't purchase games but
wait until they see how the product lifecycle pans out,
with all its fixes and re-fixes and fixes of patch-
injected bugs and new functionality and the new bugs
that come with that etc, etc.
If ACW came out *last week*, I would still vote for
it. Has it improved since then? Yes. Has there
been fixes? Yes. Did they make a loser into a winner?
No. It was a potential winner out of the box. It
was a sure-fire winner for me after a few nights'
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