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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:10 am
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:03 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:39 pm
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On Jan 25, 1:03 pm, XZealot <xzea....TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
> Anyone want to start a game of JOL?
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> Comments Welcome,
> Norman S. Brown, Jr
> XZealot
> Archon of the Swamp
Sure--send me an invite. JOL name "bakija".
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:40 pm
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On Jan 26, 5:31 pm, "Raille" <rai....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Got a game started with you, Norm and I.
> Let m eknow if there are other takers, I'd prefer a 4-5 player game before I
> start it.
I got John:
daemonturtle
Still fishing.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:31 pm
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"Peter D Bakija" <pdb6.RemoveThis@lightlink.com> wrote in message
news:e7e45c65-b6bb-4bb7-949e-0208abe5fbca@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 25, 1:03 pm, XZealot <xzea....RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
> Anyone want to start a game of JOL?
>
> Comments Welcome,
> Norman S. Brown, Jr
> XZealot
> Archon of the Swamp
Sure--send me an invite. JOL name "bakija".
-Peter
Got a game started with you, Norm and I.
Let m eknow if there are other takers, I'd prefer a 4-5 player game before I
start it.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:21 pm
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In article <479bbbc4.0.DeleteThis@speedtrap.i2k.com>, "Raille" <raille.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Got a game started with you, Norm and I.
> Let m eknow if there are other takers, I'd prefer a 4-5 player game before I
> start it.
I'm sure I can get a couple takers if we need them.
Peter D Bakija
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http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html
"Find hungry samurai."
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:45 pm
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Norm!
Why did you exit the game? 'Cause we shuffled decks before starting
the game? I mean, ok, if you aren't used to that, sure, but really,
was it necessary to abandon the game? We aren't playing for money or
anything.
The JOL shuffler blows chunks. So before starting, every game I have
ever played in, I have put my hand back, shuffled the deck 4 or 5
times, and redraw. Granted, I have never played in a tournament or
anything, but still. How was this a reason to ditch the game?
Confused.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:42 pm
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On Jan 28, 4:45 pm, Peter D Bakija <p... RemoveThis @lightlink.com> wrote:
> Norm!
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> Why did you exit the game? 'Cause we shuffled decks before starting
> the game? I mean, ok, if you aren't used to that, sure, but really,
> was it necessary to abandon the game? We aren't playing for money or
> anything.
>
> The JOL shuffler blows chunks. So before starting, every game I have
> ever played in, I have put my hand back, shuffled the deck 4 or 5
> times, and redraw. Granted, I have never played in a tournament or
> anything, but still. How was this a reason to ditch the game?
>
> Confused.
Okay, Okay, I'll play. It just freaked me out when my predator called
a mulligan and replaced his hand on the first turn.
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:11 pm
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On Jan 28, 6:42 pm, XZealot <xzea....DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
> Okay, Okay, I'll play. It just freaked me out when my predator
called
> a mulligan and replaced his hand on the first turn.
Phew. Really. We are on the up and up here. No one is trying to get a
dubious advantage--the shuffler does blow, and generally speaking, all
the games I have been in started with people shuffling their hands
into their decks, shuffling 4 or 5 times, and redrawing, just on the
principal that the shuffler blows. I did this on the first turn, and
got a much worse hand than I started out with. But it also didn't have
4 of the exact same card in it (which I don't even have that many of
in the deck in the first place...)
If it had been a tournament or something, I would have asked table
opinion on the subject first (as would have everyone else, I'm sure),
but as it is just a fun pick up game, I figured that worst case
scenario would be someone saying "Huh. Don't do that." and that would
be that.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:09 am
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On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Peter D Bakija <p... RemoveThis @lightlink.com> wrote:
> Phew. Really. We are on the up and up here. No one is trying to get a
> dubious advantage--the shuffler does blow, and generally speaking, all
> the games I have been in started with people shuffling their hands
> into their decks, shuffling 4 or 5 times, and redrawing, just on the
> principal that the shuffler blows.
If you believe the shuffler blows, why do you believe that shuffling 4
or 5 times increases randomness?
In my opinion, the JOL shuffler is perfectly fine. Perhaps we can get
George to post the algorithm and analyze it. If it's not sufficiently
randomizing cards, we should fix it. If it is randomizing cards, we
could avoid wasting time shuffling decks that are already shuffled. 
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:49 am
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On Jan 29, 3:09 am, "ira...@gmail.com" <ira... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Peter D Bakija <p... DeleteThis @lightlink.com> wrote:
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> > Phew. Really. We are on the up and up here. No one is trying to get a
> > dubious advantage--the shuffler does blow, and generally speaking, all
> > the games I have been in started with people shuffling their hands
> > into their decks, shuffling 4 or 5 times, and redrawing, just on the
> > principal that the shuffler blows.
>
> If you believe the shuffler blows, why do you believe that shuffling 4
> or 5 times increases randomness?
>
> In my opinion, the JOL shuffler is perfectly fine. Perhaps we can get
> George to post the algorithm and analyze it. If it's not sufficiently
> randomizing cards, we should fix it. If it is randomizing cards, we
> could avoid wasting time shuffling decks that are already shuffled.
>
> Ira, likes randomness.
The initial shuffle is often problematic. In far too many games I get
to a point where I either draw several copies of the same card in a
row or draw a pile of masters, situations that happen much less
frequently IRL. When I have reshuffled, I tend to have less of that
problem. It is not always the opening hand that is trouble, but
something in the way the program establishes the deck.
I also dislike the fact that if you put a card back on top of your
deck, it appears to get randomized back into your library. So, it may
be that the algorithm needs a bit of work.
Cheers,
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:02 am
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On Jan 29, 3:09 am, "ira...@gmail.com" <ira....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you believe the shuffler blows, why do you believe that shuffling 4
> or 5 times increases randomness?
The initial shuffle is the one that seems to be horrible--multiple
times I have started a game, had 4 of the same card in my opening hand
and while drawing, draw into strings of cards (i.e. draw 3 or 4 of the
same card in a row). Shuffling a few times seems to help.
> In my opinion, the JOL shuffler is perfectly fine.
Ok.
> Perhaps we can get
> George to post the algorithm and analyze it. If it's not sufficiently
> randomizing cards, we should fix it. If it is randomizing cards, we
> could avoid wasting time shuffling decks that are already shuffled.
It doesn't really waste any time.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:30 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:04 am
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:14 am
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