KAOS RFC

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emmel wrote:
| On 2005-02-07, nornagon <nornagon.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
|
|>emmel wrote:
|>
|>
|>>>Perl is really not fast - remember it's a scripting language, and
|>>>designed for string manipulation at heart - although it's not bad.
|>>>Parrot (the VM for perl 6) is a lot more interesting for this sort of
|>>>thing, but not an awful lot of use while it's still in heavy
|>>>development.
|>>
|>>Well, Perl isn't interpreted. Any overhead generated would be because of
|>
|>On the contrary, I believe Perl _is_ interpreted.
|
|
| Isn't. Perl is compiled in byte code and then executed. At least that's
| what my perl documentation says.

Actually, it's more like a binary parse tree than true bytecode (though
there is a backend to output bytecode, it is slow). See `perldoc B' for
more info, or http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.6/ext/B/B.pm

|>>the run time libraries. Maybe it'd be possible to strip those down to a
|>>minium? Probably not very practical approach (read: time intensive), but
|>>think of the possibilities.
|>>
|>>
|>>>Lua might be a good idea. It's what Gameware have been using for their
|>>>recent projects. I hate it as a language, though.
|>>
|>>Frankly I haven't really looked at Lua, so I can't judge what it'd be
|>>like as a language.
|>
|>For Freetures, I'd suggest a KAOS-like language, though with some more
|>advanced features, such as classes, etc. And, of course, it wouldn't need
|>to compile down to CAOS.
|
|
| Hm, nice idea, although I'm not sure what you actually want to use the
| classes for. Who's actually *working* on Freatures?

fuzzie's working on a clone of CEE.
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On 2005-02-07, bd <bdonlan DeleteThis @bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>| On 2005-02-07, nornagon <nornagon DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>|
>|>emmel wrote:
>|>
>|>
>|>>>Perl is really not fast - remember it's a scripting language, and
>|>>>designed for string manipulation at heart - although it's not bad.
>|>>>Parrot (the VM for perl 6) is a lot more interesting for this sort of
>|>>>thing, but not an awful lot of use while it's still in heavy
>|>>>development.
>|>>
>|>>Well, Perl isn't interpreted. Any overhead generated would be because of
>|>
>|>On the contrary, I believe Perl _is_ interpreted.
>|
>|
>| Isn't. Perl is compiled in byte code and then executed. At least that's
>| what my perl documentation says.
>
> Actually, it's more like a binary parse tree than true bytecode (though
> there is a backend to output bytecode, it is slow). See `perldoc B' for
> more info, or http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.6/ext/B/B.pm

Hm, I'll have a look at that some time...

>|>>the run time libraries. Maybe it'd be possible to strip those down to a
>|>>minium? Probably not very practical approach (read: time intensive), but
>|>>think of the possibilities.
>|>>
>|>>
>|>>>Lua might be a good idea. It's what Gameware have been using for their
>|>>>recent projects. I hate it as a language, though.
>|>>
>|>>Frankly I haven't really looked at Lua, so I can't judge what it'd be
>|>>like as a language.
>|>
>|>For Freetures, I'd suggest a KAOS-like language, though with some more
>|>advanced features, such as classes, etc. And, of course, it wouldn't need
>|>to compile down to CAOS.
>|
>|
>| Hm, nice idea, although I'm not sure what you actually want to use the
>| classes for. Who's actually *working* on Freatures?
>
> fuzzie's working on a clone of CEE.

CEE? I might be stupid, but I have no clue...
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emmel wrote:
| On 2005-02-07, bd <bdonlan DeleteThis @bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
|
|>emmel wrote:
|>| On 2005-02-07, nornagon <nornagon DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
|>|
|>|>emmel wrote:
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>>>Perl is really not fast - remember it's a scripting language, and
|>|>>>designed for string manipulation at heart - although it's not bad.
|>|>>>Parrot (the VM for perl 6) is a lot more interesting for this sort of
|>|>>>thing, but not an awful lot of use while it's still in heavy
|>|>>>development.
|>|>>
|>|>>Well, Perl isn't interpreted. Any overhead generated would be
because of
|>|>
|>|>On the contrary, I believe Perl _is_ interpreted.
|>|
|>|
|>| Isn't. Perl is compiled in byte code and then executed. At least that's
|>| what my perl documentation says.
|>
|>Actually, it's more like a binary parse tree than true bytecode (though
|>there is a backend to output bytecode, it is slow). See `perldoc B' for
|>more info, or http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.6/ext/B/B.pm
|
|
| Hm, I'll have a look at that some time...
|
|
|>|>>the run time libraries. Maybe it'd be possible to strip those down to a
|>|>>minium? Probably not very practical approach (read: time
intensive), but
|>|>>think of the possibilities.
|>|>>
|>|>>
|>|>>>Lua might be a good idea. It's what Gameware have been using for their
|>|>>>recent projects. I hate it as a language, though.
|>|>>
|>|>>Frankly I haven't really looked at Lua, so I can't judge what it'd be
|>|>>like as a language.
|>|>
|>|>For Freetures, I'd suggest a KAOS-like language, though with some more
|>|>advanced features, such as classes, etc. And, of course, it wouldn't
need
|>|>to compile down to CAOS.
|>|
|>|
|>| Hm, nice idea, although I'm not sure what you actually want to use the
|>| classes for. Who's actually *working* on Freatures?
|>
|>fuzzie's working on a clone of CEE.
|
|
| CEE? I might be stupid, but I have no clue...

Creatures Evolution Engine. The game engine for CA, C3, DS, Sea monkeys,
etcetc.
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On 2005-02-08, bd <bdonlan.TakeThisOut@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>| On 2005-02-07, bd <bdonlan.TakeThisOut@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>|
>|>emmel wrote:
>|>| On 2005-02-07, nornagon <nornagon.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>|>|
>|>|>emmel wrote:
>|>|>
>|>|>
>|>|>>>Perl is really not fast - remember it's a scripting language, and
>|>|>>>designed for string manipulation at heart - although it's not bad.
>|>|>>>Parrot (the VM for perl 6) is a lot more interesting for this sort of
>|>|>>>thing, but not an awful lot of use while it's still in heavy
>|>|>>>development.
>|>|>>
>|>|>>Well, Perl isn't interpreted. Any overhead generated would be
> because of
>|>|>
>|>|>On the contrary, I believe Perl _is_ interpreted.
>|>|
>|>|
>|>| Isn't. Perl is compiled in byte code and then executed. At least that's
>|>| what my perl documentation says.
>|>
>|>Actually, it's more like a binary parse tree than true bytecode (though
>|>there is a backend to output bytecode, it is slow). See `perldoc B' for
>|>more info, or http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.6/ext/B/B.pm
>|
>|
>| Hm, I'll have a look at that some time...
>|
>|
>|>|>>the run time libraries. Maybe it'd be possible to strip those down to a
>|>|>>minium? Probably not very practical approach (read: time
> intensive), but
>|>|>>think of the possibilities.
>|>|>>
>|>|>>
>|>|>>>Lua might be a good idea. It's what Gameware have been using for their
>|>|>>>recent projects. I hate it as a language, though.
>|>|>>
>|>|>>Frankly I haven't really looked at Lua, so I can't judge what it'd be
>|>|>>like as a language.
>|>|>
>|>|>For Freetures, I'd suggest a KAOS-like language, though with some more
>|>|>advanced features, such as classes, etc. And, of course, it wouldn't
> need
>|>|>to compile down to CAOS.
>|>|
>|>|
>|>| Hm, nice idea, although I'm not sure what you actually want to use the
>|>| classes for. Who's actually *working* on Freatures?
>|>
>|>fuzzie's working on a clone of CEE.
>|
>|
>| CEE? I might be stupid, but I have no clue...
>
> Creatures Evolution Engine. The game engine for CA, C3, DS, Sea monkeys,
> etcetc.

It's called that?
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emmel wrote:
| On 2005-02-08, bd <bdonlan.RemoveThis@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
|
|>emmel wrote:
|>| On 2005-02-07, bd <bdonlan.RemoveThis@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
|>|
|>|>emmel wrote:
|>|>| On 2005-02-07, nornagon <nornagon.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
|>|>|
|>|>|>emmel wrote:
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>>>Perl is really not fast - remember it's a scripting language, and
|>|>|>>>designed for string manipulation at heart - although it's not bad.
|>|>|>>>Parrot (the VM for perl 6) is a lot more interesting for this
sort of
|>|>|>>>thing, but not an awful lot of use while it's still in heavy
|>|>|>>>development.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Well, Perl isn't interpreted. Any overhead generated would be
|>because of
|>|>|>
|>|>|>On the contrary, I believe Perl _is_ interpreted.
|>|>|
|>|>|
|>|>| Isn't. Perl is compiled in byte code and then executed. At least
that's
|>|>| what my perl documentation says.
|>|>
|>|>Actually, it's more like a binary parse tree than true bytecode (though
|>|>there is a backend to output bytecode, it is slow). See `perldoc B' for
|>|>more info, or http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.6/ext/B/B.pm
|>|
|>|
|>| Hm, I'll have a look at that some time...
|>|
|>|
|>|>|>>the run time libraries. Maybe it'd be possible to strip those
down to a
|>|>|>>minium? Probably not very practical approach (read: time
|>intensive), but
|>|>|>>think of the possibilities.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>>Lua might be a good idea. It's what Gameware have been using for
their
|>|>|>>>recent projects. I hate it as a language, though.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Frankly I haven't really looked at Lua, so I can't judge what it'd be
|>|>|>>like as a language.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>For Freetures, I'd suggest a KAOS-like language, though with some more
|>|>|>advanced features, such as classes, etc. And, of course, it wouldn't
|>need
|>|>|>to compile down to CAOS.
|>|>|
|>|>|
|>|>| Hm, nice idea, although I'm not sure what you actually want to use the
|>|>| classes for. Who's actually *working* on Freatures?
|>|>
|>|>fuzzie's working on a clone of CEE.
|>|
|>|
|>| CEE? I might be stupid, but I have no clue...
|>
|>Creatures Evolution Engine. The game engine for CA, C3, DS, Sea monkeys,
|>etcetc.
|
|
| It's called that?

Yep. Sometimes C2E - hence fuzzie's "openc2e" project.
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On 2005-02-09, bd <bdonlan.TakeThisOut@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>| On 2005-02-08, bd <bdonlan.TakeThisOut@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>|>|>fuzzie's working on a clone of CEE.
>|>|
>|>|
>|>| CEE? I might be stupid, but I have no clue...
>|>
>|>Creatures Evolution Engine. The game engine for CA, C3, DS, Sea monkeys,
>|>etcetc.
>|
>|
>| It's called that?
>
> Yep. Sometimes C2E - hence fuzzie's "openc2e" project.

Interesting.
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Vadim wrote:
| emmel wrote:
|
|
|>>On 2005-02-09, bd <bdonlan.TakeThisOut@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
|>>
|>>>emmel wrote:
|>>>| On 2005-02-08, bd <bdonlan.TakeThisOut@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
|>>>|>|>fuzzie's working on a clone of CEE.
|>>>|>|
|>>>|>|
|>>>|>| CEE? I might be stupid, but I have no clue...
|>>>|>
|>>>|>Creatures Evolution Engine. The game engine for CA, C3, DS, Sea
monkeys,
|>>>|>etcetc.
|>>>|
|>>>|
|>>>| It's called that?
|>>>
|>>>Yep. Sometimes C2E - hence fuzzie's "openc2e" project.
|>>
|>>Interesting.
|
|
| In Linux I think the binary was called lc2e.
|
| I don't like it much, myself, so I'm rolling my own. Nothing very
impressive
| is done yet, but I'm getting there
|
| It will be interesting to see what comes out of it. Fuzzie's goal is
to make
| a clone, mine is to make something new and hopefully better AL-wise.
We had
| a very interesting discussion about how to make a better biochemistry the
| other day in IRC.
|

Don't forget a link or two:
https://vadim.ws/tiki-index.php?page=AnimusChaotica
https://vadim.ws/tiki-index.php?page=AcEnergyBiochem

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On 2005-02-11, Vadim <me DeleteThis @vadim.ws> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>
>> On 2005-02-09, bd <bdonlan DeleteThis @bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>| On 2005-02-08, bd <bdonlan DeleteThis @bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>>>|>|>fuzzie's working on a clone of CEE.
>>>|>|
>>>|>|
>>>|>| CEE? I might be stupid, but I have no clue...
>>>|>
>>>|>Creatures Evolution Engine. The game engine for CA, C3, DS, Sea monkeys,
>>>|>etcetc.
>>>|
>>>|
>>>| It's called that?
>>>
>>> Yep. Sometimes C2E - hence fuzzie's "openc2e" project.
>>
>> Interesting.
>
> In Linux I think the binary was called lc2e.

Yeah, I recently checked. I'm feeling stupid now.

> I don't like it much, myself, so I'm rolling my own. Nothing very impressive
> is done yet, but I'm getting there

Keep us updated.

> It will be interesting to see what comes out of it. Fuzzie's goal is to make
> a clone, mine is to make something new and hopefully better AL-wise. We had
> a very interesting discussion about how to make a better biochemistry the
> other day in IRC.

And someday we'll even have the computing power to actually run it...

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emmel InSaNiTised:

> On 2005-02-11, Vadim <me.RemoveThis@vadim.ws> wrote:
>>
>> emmel wrote:
>>
>>> On 2005-02-09, bd <bdonlan.RemoveThis@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>| On 2005-02-08, bd <bdonlan.RemoveThis@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>>>>|>|>fuzzie's working on a clone of CEE.
>>>>|>|
>>>>|>|
>>>>|>| CEE? I might be stupid, but I have no clue...
>>>>|>
>>>>|>Creatures Evolution Engine. The game engine for CA, C3, DS, Sea
>>>>|>monkeys, etcetc.
>>>>|
>>>>|
>>>>| It's called that?
>>>>
>>>> Yep. Sometimes C2E - hence fuzzie's "openc2e" project.
>>>
>>> Interesting.
>>
>> In Linux I think the binary was called lc2e.
>
> Yeah, I recently checked. I'm feeling stupid now.
>
>> I don't like it much, myself, so I'm rolling my own. Nothing very
>> impressive is done yet, but I'm getting there
>
> Keep us updated.
>
>> It will be interesting to see what comes out of it. Fuzzie's goal is to
>> make a clone, mine is to make something new and hopefully better AL-wise.
>> We had a very interesting discussion about how to make a better
>> biochemistry the other day in IRC.
>
> And someday we'll even have the computing power to actually run it...
>

Hehe. Actually it was based on binary strings for chemicals that define what
it can and can't bind with, and how well.

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<snip>
> Well, bd came up with a very nice idea: Simulate chemicals with bit
> fields.
> Perhaps we could simulate the interactions between chemicals without
> accurately modelling anything.
>
> For the example, I tried to describe carbon monoxide poisoning in this
> model. The goal is to make it close to the way it happens for humans:
>
> CO binds with hemoglobin, but it binds so strongly it makes the red cell
> useless for transporting oxygen. Death happens wen enough red cells are
> taken out of circulation, and the organism suffocates.
>
> First, we define the chemicals in terms of binary strings:
> Oxygen: 110100
> CO: 110110
> hemoglobin: 001000
<snip>

For the record: haemoglobin/hemoglobin isn't actually a chemical. However,
the idea(s) is/are... definitely interesting.

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> The Triad wrote:
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>>
>> For the record: haemoglobin/hemoglobin isn't actually a chemical.
> Well, I'd say conceptually it's about the same thing. Of course it's
> *huge*
> compared to O2, but both are groups of atoms, so I think it's quite fair
> to
> include them in the same category.

Hmm. Conceptually... they work in the same sorts of ways, yes. (Note to
selves: Find a good definition for 'chemical'.)

> Now, I never liked pseudochemicals like "pain". I'd like to get rid of
> them
> somehow...

Agreed. *considers* What about having a conceptual 'mental model' of a
Norn's body within its brain somehow (or just skip that bit if you're not
differentiating between different locations where pain was applied to...
which actually, if we remember correctly, the original Creatures games never
die), and sending the pain signal directly to the brain along the
metaphorical/semi-implemented nervous system, ignoring chemicals and the
metaphorical/semi-implemented bloodstream altogether? Let the brain deal
with memory, instead of needing the chemical to stay in the bloodstream for
a set/degrading time... or just put it into a function of the body/skin,
that pain signals would be sent and continue to be sent, gradually
decreasing--in any case, the brain should deal with memory, associations and
the like, in whatever form(s).

....organs, now... hmm.

Random semi-ethical question: should a Norn suffering heart failure feel
(presumably copious amounts of) pain relating to it? And also, this
highlights a limitation of the 'undifferentiated pain' system--one would
imagine that, in a version at some point, a Norn should be able to recognise
the symptoms of its equivalent of a heart attack and go to get Sidhe-related
medical attention--or actually, there may be a way to get around it. Maybe
such a Norn, suffering extreme pain for no understood reason, with no
association to it, no clear reason, and nothing that could be done to stop
it... maybe such a Norn could be taught to seek such medical attention,
which would make a diagnosis and prescribe/apply the appropriate treatment,
without the Norn in question ever having to know anything more about the
pain other than that it existed.

....still. Three, four, or five versions onward... one would want to have a
Norn that could have a rudimentary understanding of its own body
functionality, be able to perceive cause and effect as relating to its
health, and be able to (rudimentarily in some cases, accurately in others)
diagnose 'problems' and treat them on their own, and later inform the
Hand--or write it down.

*[insert further future-related dreams here]*

>> However,
>> the idea(s) is/are... definitely interesting.
>>
>
> Thanks Now, it needs improvement of course. Such as coming up with a
> way
> of separating complex chemicals. For example, how to model the ATP and ADP
> stuff in this way, glucose and glycogen, etc.

[see bd's posts]

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On 2005-02-15, nornagon <nornagon.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> emmel InSaNiTised:
>
>>> It will be interesting to see what comes out of it. Fuzzie's goal is to
>>> make a clone, mine is to make something new and hopefully better AL-wise.
>>> We had a very interesting discussion about how to make a better
>>> biochemistry the other day in IRC.
>>
>> And someday we'll even have the computing power to actually run it...
>>
>
> Hehe. Actually it was based on binary strings for chemicals that define what
> it can and can't bind with, and how well.

<g> Maybe we should lease computing power from some alien empire then...
all of their computing power. Then again the ping would be enourmous.
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On 2005-02-15, Vadim <me.RemoveThis@vadim.ws> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>
>>> I don't like it much, myself, so I'm rolling my own. Nothing very
>>> impressive is done yet, but I'm getting there
>>
>> Keep us updated.
> I will
>
> See also the GE forums. Posted there as well because I wasn't getting much
> of a reaction here in the beginning.

What do you expect with that few people around? It's a bit busier now,
but. Doesn't mean nobody's listening, though.

>>> It will be interesting to see what comes out of it. Fuzzie's goal is to
>>> make a clone, mine is to make something new and hopefully better AL-wise.
>>> We had a very interesting discussion about how to make a better
>>> biochemistry the other day in IRC.
>>
>> And someday we'll even have the computing power to actually run it...
>>
>
> Well, bd came up with a very nice idea: Simulate chemicals with bit fields.
> Perhaps we could simulate the interactions between chemicals without
> accurately modelling anything.

Too low level

> For the example, I tried to describe carbon monoxide poisoning in this
> model. The goal is to make it close to the way it happens for humans:
>
> CO binds with hemoglobin, but it binds so strongly it makes the red cell
> useless for transporting oxygen. Death happens wen enough red cells are
> taken out of circulation, and the organism suffocates.
>
> First, we define the chemicals in terms of binary strings:
> Oxygen:     110100
> CO:         110110
> hemoglobin: 001000
>
> A reaction combines chemicals with a XOR. The reaction is defined in terms
> of bits, not chemical numbers. The reaction only works if the bits don't
> clash (ChemA AND ChemB == 0)
>
> Reaction:
> 110110 + 001000 = 111110
>
> The reaction can also happen if there isn't a complete match - this way more
> than one chemical can fit. But the product will be different - a XOR of the
> reactants. So we get:
>
> CO + hemoglobin: 110110 + 001000 = 111110
> O2 + hemoglobin: 110100 + 001000 = 111100
>
> Now, the next stage in the respiration process is perhaps something like
> this:
>
> 111100 + 000011 = 111111 (O2 hemoglobin + blah = energy)
> 111110 + 000011 = clash (doesn't work)
>
> In this stage, it turns out that the product of CO + hemoglobin doesn't work
> for the respiration process, which results in hemoglobin being taken out of
> circulation. And this way we get CO poisoning as a side effect, instead of
> because the genome defined it explicitly.

It *has* certain advantages. Actually it sounds pretty much like the
things defined in the Norn genomes.

> The above is of course incomplete - we need to come up with doing more
> things, like separating big chemicals into pieces - but this is the basic
> idea of what I'd like biochemistry to be like.
>
> It's of course a lot more complex than the CL model. This wouldn't be done
> by hand, of course. We'd have some program that would generate random
> binary strings following a list of requirements for the initial genome.
>
> So, what do you think? I'm very interested in discussing this part.

In fact I miss to see why that's be so much more complex than the CL
model. Enlighten me, will you?

> [darn knode with its similar icons... clicked the wrong one and replied only
> by email the first time. Took me a while to realize why it wasn't showing
> up on AGC. *moves reply by email button*]

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