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Since: Oct 03, 2007 Posts: 168
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:14 pm
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Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM.DeleteThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> Well I'm going to try and be useful as both if possible, perfectly
> possible to have some items of gear that I change according to what I'm
> doing. But yeah cat for soloing is pretty clear...
I think it is pretty good to start gearing up a different dps and tanking
sets early. (And if you're interested, healing set too.  At earlier
levels they might not differ that much, but the further you level the more
specialized they get and you will most likely have occasional use for
them. Just decide on the priority of the roles.
> have you got any tips
> on good use of abilities solo? It was simple at first but I suddenly got
> a bunch more abilities and I'm not sure which to use when: claw, rip,
> tigers fury, rake, shred... haven't got enough energy to use them all!
> Ok, shred is used from behind, so that's rogue backstab equivalent and
> soloing it's basically an opener from steath (until I get the
> cheapshot/ambush equivalents), but which to use of claw and rake, and
> when to use tigers fury?
If you find yourself as a dps while someone else is tanking, Shred to
4 or 5 combo points and Rip. For soloing Rip is usually not that useful,
as mobs tend to die a lot before it'll do that much damage. If I remember
correctly Rake and Tiger's Fury are waste of energy even at those levels
when you get them. But the other skills do have some use while leveling,
just test them out when you get them.
The big things for soloing as a cat are Pounce and Mangle. when you get
them, start with Pounce, then Mangle, and Shred until the target recovers
from the stun. At that point you usually have 3 or 4 combo points and
normal mobs around 50% health. If not grab few more combo points and either
Rip if you think it'll end up doing more damage than Shred. (First tic is
3s after its application and every 3s afterwards, so usually for non-elites
not that useful.
For elites or bigger groups, I usually start with cat and try to get Rip
going and then switch to bear form for added protection. Just stunning
or Warstomping to get some heals going (and/or Innervate) and back to
bear. For me it did take quite a lot of practice to estimate how soon
I had to pop to caster form an heal though.
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Since: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 4806
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:26 pm
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:14:38 +0000 (UTC), Miikka <nope RemoveThis @nowhere.invalid>
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>Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM RemoveThis @totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> Well I'm going to try and be useful as both if possible, perfectly
>> possible to have some items of gear that I change according to what I'm
>> doing. But yeah cat for soloing is pretty clear...
>
>I think it is pretty good to start gearing up a different dps and tanking
>sets early. (And if you're interested, healing set too. At earlier
>levels they might not differ that much, but the further you level the more
>specialized they get and you will most likely have occasional use for
>them. Just decide on the priority of the roles.
Yup, I'm used to that from levelling priests, even from low levels I'll
have at least a couple of items with extra healing in my bags. Think
I'll probably set my druid up as concentrating on cat and bear and skip
the healing gear for now, simply for lack of bag space - my poor UD
priest is now using about 30 bags slots for carrying various bits of
armour around and I'd like to for once have a character with some space
in their bags (my warlock loses a bag to shards and half a bag to pvp
gear so isn't much better off)
>> have you got any tips
>> on good use of abilities solo? It was simple at first but I suddenly got
>> a bunch more abilities and I'm not sure which to use when: claw, rip,
>> tigers fury, rake, shred... haven't got enough energy to use them all!
>> Ok, shred is used from behind, so that's rogue backstab equivalent and
>> soloing it's basically an opener from steath (until I get the
>> cheapshot/ambush equivalents), but which to use of claw and rake, and
>> when to use tigers fury?
>
>If you find yourself as a dps while someone else is tanking, Shred to
>4 or 5 combo points and Rip. For soloing Rip is usually not that useful,
>as mobs tend to die a lot before it'll do that much damage. If I remember
>correctly Rake and Tiger's Fury are waste of energy even at those levels
>when you get them. But the other skills do have some use while leveling,
>just test them out when you get them.
>
>The big things for soloing as a cat are Pounce and Mangle. when you get
>them, start with Pounce, then Mangle, and Shred until the target recovers
>from the stun. At that point you usually have 3 or 4 combo points and
>normal mobs around 50% health. If not grab few more combo points and either
>Rip if you think it'll end up doing more damage than Shred. (First tic is
>3s after its application and every 3s afterwards, so usually for non-elites
>not that useful.
>
>For elites or bigger groups, I usually start with cat and try to get Rip
>going and then switch to bear form for added protection. Just stunning
>or Warstomping to get some heals going (and/or Innervate) and back to
>bear. For me it did take quite a lot of practice to estimate how soon
>I had to pop to caster form an heal though.
Thanks for that, think I'm a while away from Mangle but it'll be
interesting learning it when I get it!
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Since: Apr 21, 2006 Posts: 749
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:30 am
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On May 30, 9:25 am, "Shammy" <n....RemoveThis@nothing.com> wrote:
> E> As Miika writes, typical DPS rotation for higher levels is Mangle for
> E> the debuff, 4 to 5 combo points, Rip. Too bad it relies on mobs that
> E> bleed so much. On a Kara run my cat DPS wasn't noteworthy except for
> E> the Prince fight, where I jumped to top DPS even as melee .
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> All mobs bleed since a few patches back, you can even make robots bleed...
What? When did this happen? That's a big change and a huge boost to
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Since: Mar 10, 2008 Posts: 26
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:46 am
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On May 29, 3:35 pm, John Gordon <gor... RemoveThis @panix.com> wrote:
> In <6a8efeF35bs9... RemoveThis @mid.individual.net> Catriona R <catrionarNOS... RemoveThis @totalise.co.uk> writes:
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> > Does only damage from white hits give rage? I'd assumed that all my
> > damage would but it's sounding like my yellow attacks actually don't
> > from howeveryones talking? if that's the case I'll be a lot more careful
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> If bears are anything like warriors, then yes. Yellow attacks consume
> rage instead of supplying rage.
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True, but we get a talent that when a crit happens (any crit) we get
+5rage. This is very important to get since at endgame after you get
around 15k hp and 25k armour and uncrittable (all unbuffed) you will
start to stack more and more agility since dodge is a bears best
friend, and that alse incidentally gives us bettter and better crit
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Since: May 06, 2005 Posts: 83
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:27 am
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Miikka wrote:
> Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM.DeleteThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> have you got any tips
>> on good use of abilities solo? It was simple at first but I suddenly got
>> a bunch more abilities and I'm not sure which to use when: claw, rip,
>> tigers fury, rake, shred... haven't got enough energy to use them all!
>> Ok, shred is used from behind, so that's rogue backstab equivalent and
>> soloing it's basically an opener from steath (until I get the
>> cheapshot/ambush equivalents), but which to use of claw and rake, and
>> when to use tigers fury?
>
> If you find yourself as a dps while someone else is tanking, Shred to
> 4 or 5 combo points and Rip. For soloing Rip is usually not that useful,
> as mobs tend to die a lot before it'll do that much damage. If I remember
> correctly Rake and Tiger's Fury are waste of energy even at those levels
> when you get them. But the other skills do have some use while leveling,
> just test them out when you get them.
As Miika writes, typical DPS rotation for higher levels is Mangle for
the debuff, 4 to 5 combo points, Rip. Too bad it relies on mobs that
bleed so much. On a Kara run my cat DPS wasn't noteworthy except for
the Prince fight, where I jumped to top DPS even as melee  .
> The big things for soloing as a cat are Pounce and Mangle. when you get
> them, start with Pounce, then Mangle, and Shred until the target recovers
> from the stun. At that point you usually have 3 or 4 combo points and
> normal mobs around 50% health. If not grab few more combo points and either
> Rip if you think it'll end up doing more damage than Shred. (First tic is
> 3s after its application and every 3s afterwards, so usually for non-elites
> not that useful.
I think the talent for longer stuns was mentioned in this thread
already. The longer stun often allows another Shred before the
stun runs out and is therefore very useful for soloing.
> For elites or bigger groups, I usually start with cat and try to get Rip
> going and then switch to bear form for added protection. Just stunning
> or Warstomping to get some heals going (and/or Innervate) and back to
> bear. For me it did take quite a lot of practice to estimate how soon
> I had to pop to caster form an heal though.
Yeah, heal early when it's obvious that you're going to need it.
And don't forget Barkskin like me
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Since: Dec 15, 2006 Posts: 814
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:23 am
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CR> Yup, I'm used to that from levelling priests, even from low levels
CR> I'll have at least a couple of items with extra healing in my bags.
CR> Think
CR> I'll probably set my druid up as concentrating on cat and bear and
CR> skip the healing gear for now, simply for lack of bag space - my
CR> poor UD priest is now using about 30 bags slots for carrying various
CR> bits of armour around and I'd like to for once have a character with
CR> some space in their bags (my warlock loses a bag to shards and half
CR> a bag to pvp gear so isn't much better off)
Druid is by far the worst char for bag space, only feral druids carry tank
gear, cat dps gear, pvp gear, heal gear.... and you can add some resistance
gear many times to that too :S
Just a few tips, dont ever use maul unless you have 50 or more rage, maul
same as heroic strike is just a rage dump. I use it a lot only in raid boss
fights where whatever you do the rage bar is always on 100.
Ferocius Bite is the equivalent of eviscerate BUT with a big difference, it
will consume all your energy when used and transform it into dmg, but the
dmg gained isnt worth the energy loss. So if you have 5 combo points on a
target and 100 energy it's better to do 1-2 more mangle/shred than ferocius
bite than feroicus bit with 100 energy and consume it all...
You probably know that mangle increases shred dmg by 30% and all bleeds too
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Since: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 4806
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:23 am
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 10:23:00 +0200, "Shammy" <none RemoveThis @nothing.com> wrote:
>CR> Yup, I'm used to that from levelling priests, even from low levels
>CR> I'll have at least a couple of items with extra healing in my bags.
>CR> Think
>CR> I'll probably set my druid up as concentrating on cat and bear and
>CR> skip the healing gear for now, simply for lack of bag space - my
>CR> poor UD priest is now using about 30 bags slots for carrying various
>CR> bits of armour around and I'd like to for once have a character with
>CR> some space in their bags (my warlock loses a bag to shards and half
>CR> a bag to pvp gear so isn't much better off)
>
>Druid is by far the worst char for bag space, only feral druids carry tank
>gear, cat dps gear, pvp gear, heal gear.... and you can add some resistance
>gear many times to that too :S
Ouch
>Just a few tips, dont ever use maul unless you have 50 or more rage, maul
>same as heroic strike is just a rage dump. I use it a lot only in raid boss
>fights where whatever you do the rage bar is always on 100.
Will try and learn that one, I've always been used to non-rage classes
so it takes some getting used to, but I can see it's a lesson I need to
learn!
>Ferocius Bite is the equivalent of eviscerate BUT with a big difference, it
>will consume all your energy when used and transform it into dmg, but the
>dmg gained isnt worth the energy loss. So if you have 5 combo points on a
>target and 100 energy it's better to do 1-2 more mangle/shred than ferocius
>bite than feroicus bit with 100 energy and consume it all...
Ahh... ok that is not so useful then! One to use carefully I guess.
>You probably know that mangle increases shred dmg by 30% and all bleeds too
>( I didnt know at first :S )
Didn't know about the shred part nope, although I was aware it affected
bleeds as I always tried to use rupture more on my rogue when a feral
druid was present because of it. Didn't know the exact details though!
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Since: Dec 15, 2006 Posts: 814
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:25 am
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E> As Miika writes, typical DPS rotation for higher levels is Mangle for
E> the debuff, 4 to 5 combo points, Rip. Too bad it relies on mobs that
E> bleed so much. On a Kara run my cat DPS wasn't noteworthy except for
E> the Prince fight, where I jumped to top DPS even as melee  .
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:44 am
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Mn> What? When did this happen? That's a big change and a huge boost to
Mn> cat dps on many bosses. Can't believe I missed that. Got a link?
a.. Non-corporeal Undead and Mechanical creatures are now susceptible to
bleed effects.
a.. Elemental creatures are no longer explicitly immune to poison and
disease effects. Elementals with nature school immunities will still be
immune to nature-based poisons, however.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/patchnotes/
So now even many mobs that were faerie fire immune are not immune anymore
(it is a nature spell), only 1 type of elemental is nature immune now to
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:51 am
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Another point about the tanking bear : armor.
Since your armor is multiplied to get your armor in bear form, it's
interesting to have items that give extra armor. I mean items that do not
give armor usually, like weapons, trinkets...
At higher level, Braxxis staff for instance is very good (IIRC, level 64,
500 armor x 4 in bear: 2000 armor.)
At lower level, there is a staff sold by two NPC (Urumir in Shattrath, and
Zarena Cromwind in Booty Bay) : level 34, 100 armor, +6 to all resist. It's
in limited stock.
There are other weapons (for a druid, only hammers and staffs, since you
cannot use axes or swords).
If you are an enchanter, there is a trinket you can create at level 50
(linked).
If you are a blacksmith, there is another trinket at level 40 (linked when
crafted, too)
There is a ring on Archaedas in Uldaman (50 armor and random stats),
another one if you escort the turtle in Tanaris, a low level +30 armor ring
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:14 pm
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Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM.RemoveThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 10:23:00 +0200, "Shammy" <none.RemoveThis@nothing.com> wrote:
>>CR> Yup, I'm used to that from levelling priests, even from low levels
>>CR> I'll have at least a couple of items with extra healing in my bags.
>>CR> Think
>>CR> I'll probably set my druid up as concentrating on cat and bear and
>>CR> skip the healing gear for now, simply for lack of bag space - my
>>CR> poor UD priest is now using about 30 bags slots for carrying various
>>CR> bits of armour around and I'd like to for once have a character with
>>CR> some space in their bags (my warlock loses a bag to shards and half
>>CR> a bag to pvp gear so isn't much better off)
>>
>>Druid is by far the worst char for bag space, only feral druids carry tank
>>gear, cat dps gear, pvp gear, heal gear.... and you can add some resistance
>>gear many times to that too :S
>
> Ouch
 For the longest time my druid was always feral, but I quite often
off-tanked our occasional Karazhan runs and got a lot of healing gear that
no one else wanted. Eventually I switched to a full time Resto spec and found
that I really need that boomkin gear for soloing with it. At the moment my
ClosetGnome has different sets for feral dps, feral tanking, feral pvp,
resto pvp, resto max output, resto with more regen, and boomkin.
Fortunately I never went with him to any fight needing additional
resistance sets.
But yeah, if you really like all the different aspects of a druid, you
really need all the biggest bags you can get. ;D
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:54 pm
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Shammy wrote:
> E> As Miika writes, typical DPS rotation for higher levels is Mangle for
> E> the debuff, 4 to 5 combo points, Rip. Too bad it relies on mobs that
> E> bleed so much. On a Kara run my cat DPS wasn't noteworthy except for
> E> the Prince fight, where I jumped to top DPS even as melee .
>
> All mobs bleed since a few patches back, you can even make robots bleed...
Thanks for confirming that. I read about it in the patch notes,
but didn't have an opportunity to find out.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:48 pm
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:14:28 +0000 (UTC), Miikka <nope DeleteThis @nowhere.invalid>
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>Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM DeleteThis @totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 10:23:00 +0200, "Shammy" <none DeleteThis @nothing.com> wrote:
>>>Druid is by far the worst char for bag space, only feral druids carry tank
>>>gear, cat dps gear, pvp gear, heal gear.... and you can add some resistance
>>>gear many times to that too :S
>>
>> Ouch
>
> For the longest time my druid was always feral, but I quite often
>off-tanked our occasional Karazhan runs and got a lot of healing gear that
>no one else wanted. Eventually I switched to a full time Resto spec and found
>that I really need that boomkin gear for soloing with it. At the moment my
>ClosetGnome has different sets for feral dps, feral tanking, feral pvp,
>resto pvp, resto max output, resto with more regen, and boomkin.
>Fortunately I never went with him to any fight needing additional
>resistance sets.
>
>But yeah, if you really like all the different aspects of a druid, you
>really need all the biggest bags you can get. ;D
Oh dear, and here was me thinking it was bad enough having different
sets for solo, group and pvp on my priest (and almost entirely separate
sets at that, the solo set is completely different and the other two
only share about 5 items now)
As a serious packrat I'm going to have enormous trouble holding any
more, as it is the priest has all 7 bankslots bought, filled with
18-slot bags (20-slots on me) or professions bags, and the bank is full
while my own bags usually have maybe 18 slots free if I'm lucky... which
don't last long when I add mage water, mined stuff, trash drops etc. WTB
extra bank slots, I'd love to be able to go out and just mine or fish
non-stop for a bit but I have to stop to empty bags very fast indeed.
And yes I have a banker alt, doesn't help on soulbound stuff and I like
the stuff I'm using in professions to be on the right character....
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