GLIDER

>> wtf is glider?
>
> It is a "bot" - a program which can be set up to manipulate world of
> warcraft (NOT an addon, those are ok by blizzard - but an external
> program you start before you start the game) - it then remote controls
> your characters and has it running around in an area killing mobs all
> night (while you sleep) - all day (while you are at work) - all eveniing
> (while you are at the cinema) - and have you leveled when you come back
> in the evening.
>
> Blizzard does NOT want people to do that, and has added code to the game
> which tries to scan for this - those who make the bots keep trying to
> avoid being detected - so instead of working on the expansion they have
> people trying to defeat the cheaters (and gold sellers etc)
>

How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys or
my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software making a
huge asumption? what does it do? engage in pst's with suspected bots? and if
no answer, Banned?
hmmm, no way, they are guessing, just using s-ware for extrapolation. Maybe
if a toon is too 'long' in one place? no pst's during play? just sounds too
easy, maybe they just scan ur HD for Glider?

Kit Walker
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On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:40:57 GMT, Kit Walker wrote:
> >> wtf is glider?
> >
> > It is a "bot" - a program which can be set up to manipulate world of
> > warcraft (NOT an addon, those are ok by blizzard - but an external
> > program you start before you start the game) - it then remote controls
> > your characters and has it running around in an area killing mobs all
> > night (while you sleep) - all day (while you are at work) - all eveniing
> > (while you are at the cinema) - and have you leveled when you come back
> > in the evening.
> >
> > Blizzard does NOT want people to do that, and has added code to the game
> > which tries to scan for this - those who make the bots keep trying to
> > avoid being detected - so instead of working on the expansion they have
> > people trying to defeat the cheaters (and gold sellers etc)
> >
>
> How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys or
> my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software making a
> huge asumption? what does it do? engage in pst's with suspected bots? and if
> no answer, Banned?
> hmmm, no way, they are guessing, just using s-ware for extrapolation. Maybe
> if a toon is too 'long' in one place? no pst's during play? just sounds too
> easy, maybe they just scan ur HD for Glider?

When you "accept" the EULA/TOS after every patch, you agree to let them
install and run the "Warden" which is a piece of software running on your PC
trying to catch botting/modification software.

Fairly reliable, too, if the QQ on the glider and CSF forums is any
indication

Cheers
Urbin

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>>
>
> How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys
> or my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software
> making a huge asumption? what does it do? engage in pst's with suspected
> bots? and if no answer, Banned?
> hmmm, no way, they are guessing, just using s-ware for extrapolation.
> Maybe if a toon is too 'long' in one place? no pst's during play? just
> sounds too easy, maybe they just scan ur HD for Glider?
>
> Kit Walker
>

I did read some posts about people using linux, or a programmable keyboard
who also got band.
They didn't get a chance to explain to blizz what was going on, there is no
way of negotiating.
Even friends of them who posted on the official warcraft forums couldn't
post anything anymore after a while.

Think this is just a thing of the times we live in. big companies like
telecom for example get costumers in a very agressive way.
The ones with problems have the hardest time getting things solved, there is
almost no kind of costumer service. its just easyer, and more important
cheaper to not have a big
and expensive helpdesk. just ignore the complaints and get more clients.
Those who take the step to get a lawyer are rare.Because the
ammount of money involved does not cover the expense or the effort they have
to put in.

I'm not a glider user myself, in fact, i hate everything that smells like
cheating. Many online games i used to play before wow got destroyed by
cheaters.
But I agree with Walker that some software detecting program is not flawles,
and might get innocent people banned.
Imagen it happens to you, and you have no way defending yourself or get your
account back,.....

grts bahaal
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On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:11:28 +0200, Ed wrote:
> > How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys
> > or my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software
> > making a huge asumption? what does it do? engage in pst's with suspected
> > bots? and if no answer, Banned?
> > hmmm, no way, they are guessing, just using s-ware for extrapolation.
> > Maybe if a toon is too 'long' in one place? no pst's during play? just
> > sounds too easy, maybe they just scan ur HD for Glider?
>
> I did read some posts about people using linux, or a programmable
> keyboard who also got band. They didn't get a chance to explain to blizz
> what was going on, there is no way of negotiating. Even friends of them
> who posted on the official warcraft forums couldn't post anything anymore
> after a while.

You will find that during the last glider-banwave, a lot of Linux users
using Cedega (sp?) to run WoW under Linux got banned by mistake ("false
positive" is the proper term here). As far as I know, most of them got their
accounts back and the warden was adjusted. From what I read on the official
CSF forums during the past days, no linux users got hit by the banhammer
this time.

Also, the Blizz posters on the CSF forums posted the link to get in touch
with Account Admin for people who were of the opinion that they were
unjustly banned. As far as I know Blizzard will review such cases in their
logs and revoke a ban if it was unjustified. Of course, with 300'000+ people
banned, the backlog on this path might be a nasty surprise for the true
victims of a false positive at the moment...

> Think this is just a thing of the times we live in. [snip] there is
> almost no kind of costumer service. its just easyer, and more important
> cheaper to not have a big and expensive helpdesk. just ignore the
> complaints and get more clients. Those who take the step to get a lawyer
> are rare.Because the ammount of money involved does not cover the expense
> or the effort they have to put in.

I agree with you in principle. And I can't say whether Blizzard fit in with
the majority or whether they are the nice exception to the rule or not.
However, I have read posts by people who were banned by mistake and got
their accounts back and the time lost credited to their account, so at least
their revision process seems to work.

And yes, I saw your other post with the link to the guy banned for running
linux but did not follow the link to read the post. I don't know if he is
the unlucky exception who did not get his account back during the last ban
wave, or if he did but only later and posted his stuff beforehand or if he
was the one linux user that did cheat in addition to playing on linux or...
I am just saying, there is evidence that Blizzard corrects bans that were
unjustified.

> But I agree with Walker that some software detecting program is not
> flawles, and might get innocent people banned. Imagen it happens to you,
> and you have no way defending yourself or get your account back,.....

But you do have a way. Get in touch with Account Admin and they will
investigate your case.

As I was saying, I don't have first hand information on this, maybe someone
else can enlighten us to what it is like to interact with AA...

Cheers
Urbin

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Here's a link of a Linux user who got band and the communication with Blizz.
http://infernix.net/wowban/


grts Ed
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In article <ZaxZj.3785$IK1.3490@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
KitWalker DeleteThis @skullcave.com says...

> How would Blizzard's remote software tell whether i was pressing the keys or
> my Glider is doing it (mind u i dont do it), isn't blizz's software making a
> huge asumption? what does it do? engage in pst's with suspected bots? and if
> no answer, Banned?
> hmmm, no way, they are guessing, just using s-ware for extrapolation. Maybe
> if a toon is too 'long' in one place? no pst's during play? just sounds too
> easy, maybe they just scan ur HD for Glider?

As someone else mentioned, there are routines (part of the program)
which is refered to as "Warden" which has nothing to do with the game,
but scans memory for "something" (the something being a secret kept by
Blizzard) - much like a virus scanner it knows about certain threats and
moitors the memory areas used by the game to make sure other programs
don't monitor that - it also makes some guesses outside of what it
"knows" - the Warden has the ability to close an account if it finds
something suspcious. What seems to happen then is: If the user doesn't
complain or enquire, the account just stays closed. Usually though
people will write to the overburden accouting department (average wait:
8 days) complaining about it, claiming they are innocent - and then
humans will take over and analyze the logs. Most people don't realise
how much is logged (even your emotes are logged - you can get a temp ban
for spamming emotes). And for instance if they see you have been in the
same zone for 24 hours killing mobs every 5 seconds all the time - they
are probably not going to believe it was you.

Sometimes when they can't find what they consider proof they have
reopened the account again. Of course they only close or ban an
*account* - not the credit card, so you could just start another account
right away on the same card.
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On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:01:30 +0200, Pete B wrote:
> Sometimes when they can't find what they consider proof they have
> reopened the account again. Of course they only close or ban an
> *account* - not the credit card, so you could just start another account
> right away on the same card.

Actually, in the current ban wave, they seem to have banned all accounts
paid for by an offending credit card to catch people having two accounts,
one to bot and one with their bona fide chars on (something suggested on the
glider forums to get around risking valuable main chars).

I don't know whether these bans concern only existing accounts or whether
they will also refuse to let you open new accounts with such a CC...

Cheers
Urbin

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In article <lAyZj.64$xO.23@newsfe30.ams2>, verastenove RemoveThis @gmail.com says...
> Here's a link of a Linux user who got band and the communication with Blizz.
> http://infernix.net/wowban/
>

Ah, someone who thinks having his character train skills while he
watches tv isn't a bannable offense *g*
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In article <slrng3deqd.3f6.urbin.RemoveThis@stinky.trash.net>,
urbin.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid says...
> And yes, I saw your other post with the link to the guy banned for running
> linux but did not follow the link to read the post.
>

I did. He used a programmable keyboard to have his character train
weaponskils by hitting a lowlever critter (which healed itself over and
over) over and over while he watched movies.
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On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:16:01 +0200, Pete B wrote:
> In article <slrng3deqd.3f6.urbin.RemoveThis@stinky.trash.net>,
> urbin.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid says...
> > And yes, I saw your other post with the link to the guy banned for running
> > linux but did not follow the link to read the post.
>
> I did. He used a programmable keyboard to have his character train
> weaponskils by hitting a lowlever critter (which healed itself over and
> over) over and over while he watched movies.

Thanks. Well, then he was correctly banned for use of a programmable
keyboard and not incorrectly for running WoW under Linux.

Cheers
Urbin

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On May 23, 12:02 pm, Jason Tinling <jason.tinl... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> There was a post on the CSF forums, where the guy admitted to botting
> and accepting his ban, inquiring if he could use the same CC to open a
> new account. According to blue, as long as he doesn't bot on the new
> acocunt, he has no issues, suggesting that while they did appear to
> ban accounts connected by CC, they have not black-listed the CC's
> themselves.

Probably more trouble than it's worth for them to bother blacklisting
CC #'s. Call the company and say you lost it and they'll have you one
with a new number in 3-5 days.

MIke
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In article <o5gb34pl9a8kpdhvij3lbpli0uvcbupbb0.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, damon-
nomad.DeleteThis@tiscali.co.uk says...
> Anyway, enough of this. This isn't parenting class
>

I'm not sure i'd want to play that class!
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On Sat, 24 May 2008 16:48:11 +0200, Pete B <xxxh DeleteThis @_xsomeething.com>
wrote:

>In article <o5gb34pl9a8kpdhvij3lbpli0uvcbupbb0 DeleteThis @4ax.com>, damon-
>nomad@tiscali.co.uk says...
>> Anyway, enough of this. This isn't parenting class
>>
>
>I'm not sure i'd want to play that class!

lol


Palindrome
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