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In alt.games.video.xbox Blig Merk <blig_murk RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Blu-ray is now on the same path as DVD before it. First, as BD-ROM
> drives on PC's, then as BD+R/RE until they end up being a standard
> configuration.

There alread are BDR drives. They're still pretty expensive, and a blank
disc is still $20-25, so it's not quite attractive for consumers yet.

> It will take a couple of years but PC game developers
> will start putting games on BD-ROM once multi-DVD installations start
> exceeding 3 or more discs.

A lot of PC software is still distributed on...CDROM even though DVD drives
have been the standard for a decade. After all, why waste a DVD when a CD
still has more than 10x the capacity needed for some PC games?

> The net effect for the PS3 is that BD-ROM
> costs are going to plummet due to massive volume sales, increasing the
> profits for Sony from Blu-ray hardware royalties and increasing the
> profit margin for sales of PS3 hardware. At the current rate, it is
> possible there will be a $349 PS3 by the end of the year with Sony
> still making a significant profit on every PS3 sold. By 2009, DVD will
> be looking at old age then death not long after.

While BD hardware and discs will drop in price now that BD is the
standard, you're sorely mistaken if you think BD will completely replace
DVD by 2009. VHS managed to hold on in the market until just a few years
ago. It took DVD 5 years to overtake VHS' marketshare, and still VHS was
there.

You have to remember that at least with DVD, all you needed was a TV and
you would still get lots of benefit from DVD over VHS. With BD...well,
first if you don't even have a HDTV (which describes about 80% of the US
right now) there's no point in even thinking about BD. Even if everyone
eventually goes to BD, that's still going to take at least another decade
just to get the majority of houses to buy a HDTV.

A decade, blig, not 12 months.

> Following Sony's offering of its BDU-X10S, its first Blu-ray Disc (BD)-
> ROM drive, BD-ROM is expected to become the mainstream among all BD
> formats in 2008, according to leading Taiwan-based makers of optical
> disc drives.

Isn't this sentence redundant? What, are there other BD formats out there
that we don't know about? Sheesh.


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In alt.games.video.xbox elrous0.TakeThisOut@pop.uky.edu wrote:
> Best Buy seems to be following a more DVD-like pattern with the HD
> discs. Hard to believe that in 1997, when I bought my first DVD
> player, my Best Buy allocated just two small shelves to DVD, and
> dozens of shelves of VHS. Right now, blu-ray and HD-DVD get a full row
> of shelves (about 5 or 6 each), which is respectable (about where DVD
> was in 1998). But it's still a very long way from any sort of
> "takeover."

BD will always be confined by the ceiling that is HDTV market
penetration. By the time HDTV really replaces SDTV in a vast majority of
households, it'll be almost 2020, and we'll probably be reeling from the
effects of yet another stupid format war.

In reality, BD will basically be like Laserdisk was. It may be more
popular than LD was but it'll never eclipse DVD. Not until you start
shoving BD drives into all those SUVs it won't.

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In alt.games.video.xbox The alMIGHTY N <natlee75 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> It will be at least a couple of years before Blu-Ray will be
> considered a mainstream technology. It's a clear indication that the
> format has a long way to go when many entertainment junkies still
> don't plan on jumping into the format even after HD DVD surrendered.

Especially since a good movie on DVD looks really good when played on an
upscaling DVD player.

> The big complaints I hear a lot are that there simply aren't enough
> movies (and more importantly GOOD movies) available. A lot of movie
> buffs aren't going to jump in until there are a good number of top
> tier catalog titles and classics available for purchase.

Sounds like they've sucessfully resisted the "ooh! shiny! shiny!" siren
call of new technology that befuddled all of us when DVD was new (and
shiny)

I mean, I can remember folks getting excited about ANY old junk getting
released to DVD simply so they had something to play on their setup and
gawk at the sometimes not-so-great transfer of a not-so-great movie.

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In alt.games.video.xbox boodybandit <allaboutgamez.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> PFOFLMMFAO!
> Too funny man!
> You disappear off the face of the Earth when HD DVD calls it quits and now
> like every other mindless zealot you are going to start riding DD. Yeah
> that's what I want. Compressed audio and video. No 1080p and True DD 7.1.
> Ijit

Digital distribution makes sense for rentals/PPV - not for ownership.
However, seeing as how it's going to take years for the studios to get the
majority of their catalogs released onto BD, digital distribution is a nice
happy-medium - slightly better than DVD, cheaper than (renting) DVD, and
you don't have to heavily invest in new equipment.

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In alt.games.video.xbox Blig Merk <blig_murk.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You idiots went down with your Dreamcasts, wrong about that,

Who's "we", and what were "we" wrong about again? As I recall, despite
the small band of fanboys, the Dreamcast suffered from a small, eccletic
game library and the stupidity of Sega.

> you went down with your XFLop, wrong about that,

Who's "we" again?

And how exactly did the Xbox "go down"? It wasn't in first place, sure.
It arguably wasn't even in 2nd place. However, whereever it DID end up,
it's certainly come roaring forward with the 360.

> you went down with HD-DVD, wrong about that,

Blig, except for you and your sock puppets, no one else here really cared
about which format was going to win - only that the stupid format war
would END.

> and now going down with the xflop 3-shitty, all in
> the name of being anti-Sony, anti-PS2, anti-PS3 and anti-Blu-ray.

Since you refer to the 360 as the "3-shitty", yet it's still been doing
better than the PS3, what does that make PS3 exactly? The
"PS-more-shitty"? Really now...grow up, at least a little.

Also, many of us here are also PS2 fans simply because it had (still has)
an excellent game library. This is also why the PS3 is having so much
trouble. Yes with the victory over HD-DVD, PS3 sales are up - but mainly
to people who want a blu-ray movie player, and not to gamers.

> Delusional subhumans like you are not able to understand delusion.

That's going to end up in someone's .sig.

> http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/03/why-blu-ray-will-be-the-next-dvd/

> Why Blu-ray will be the next DVD
> Mar 3rd 2008

[snip]

That article actually doesn't explain how they expect BD to dominate over
DVD when the majority of the market doesn't even own a HDTV, and probably
still won't for the foreseeable future. BD's market is always going to be
artifically capped by the size of the HDTV's market. By the time HDTV
achieves a vast majority of the households out there, we're going to be
staring down the year 2020, and probably yet ANOTHER media format. My guess
the next one will either be holographic storage, or essentially the return of
the "cartridge". Either way, it'll be more durable, faster, and larger
than any optical media format that's around today.

BD will essentially take its place in history as "a more successful
version of the LaserDisk", but will never dominate the market.

Digital distribution/downloads are a red herring. That technology will
NEVER compete with BD because when people buy something, the want to be
able to hold "something" in their hands - and downloads can't offer that.

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On Mar 4, 6:16 pm, Blig Merk <blig_m... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> You idiots went down with your Dreamcasts, wrong about that, you went
> down with your XFLop, wrong about that, you went down with HD-DVD,
> wrong about that, and now going down with the xflop 3-shitty,

I'd like to know how the 360 is "going down"??? Due to a little lag
in montly console sales? Shall I remind you that the 360 will reach
the 20 million mark soon and the PS3 still trails by about 5-6 million
consoles. Wasn't the PS3 supposed to destroy the 360 by the second
holiday season? Also, the measure of a game console's success is a
large part dependant on GAME sales. Who cares that the PS3 had a
spike in console sales, probably due to being bought as a blu-ray
player so ppl can watch rental movies from NetFlix.

The REAL measure of a console's success are game revenue and this is
what gets the attention of game developers and feeds the success of a
console.

In January four of the Top 10 selling titles were on the 360, and only
a SINGLE game for PlayStation 3 made the list. So quote all the
amazing facts about blu-ray you want but n the meantime 360 owners
will continue buying and playing GAMES.
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On Mar 4, 6:56 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 1:04 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 11:06 am, Jonah Falcon <jonahny... RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 4, 10:23 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Mar 4, 12:11 am, Blig Merk <blig_m... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > <snip typical delusional ranting and wholly irrelevant article
> > > > posting>
>
> > > > It will be at least a couple of years before Blu-Ray will be
> > > > considered a mainstream technology. It's a clear indication that the
> > > > format has a long way to go when many entertainment junkies still
> > > > don't plan on jumping into the format even after HD DVD surrendered.
>
> > > > The big complaints I hear a lot are that there simply aren't enough
> > > > movies (and more importantly GOOD movies) available. A lot of movie
> > > > buffs aren't going to jump in until there are a good number of top
> > > > tier catalog titles and classics available for purchase.
>
> > > > Very few average consumers are interested in paying $30 for Talladega
> > > > Nights.
>
> > > Actually, Blu-Ray is suffering along with DVD. Apparently, digital
> > > distribution is harming DVD and Blu-Ray sales.
>
> > What digital distribution (unless you count piracy on the newsgroups)?
>
> > People are buying less DVDs now because they're renting more.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Jonah's just spouting the Microsoft party line....yet again.

I seriously don't see how Microsoft can continue to make these claims
with a straight face...
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On Mar 4, 8:25 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac....RemoveThis@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> In alt.games.video.xbox boodybandit <allaboutga....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > PFOFLMMFAO!
> > Too funny man!
> > You disappear off the face of the Earth when HD DVD calls it quits and now
> > like every other mindless zealot you are going to start riding DD. Yeah
> > that's what I want. Compressed audio and video. No 1080p and True DD 7.1.
> > Ijit
>
> Digital distribution makes sense for rentals/PPV - not for ownership.
> However, seeing as how it's going to take years for the studios to get the
> majority of their catalogs released onto BD, digital distribution is a nice
> happy-medium - slightly better than DVD, cheaper than (renting) DVD, and
> you don't have to heavily invest in new equipment.

I rented the HD version of The Ant Bully from Xbox Live since I hadn't
seen it and I was interested in seeing what the quality was like. It
was VERY good. I later rented it from Blockbuster Online and didn't
notice any difference.

I don't know that it was cheaper than renting a DVD, though. I only
have to pay $5 to rent a movie from Blockbuster and I pay the same
amount for renting an HD movie off Xbox Live. However, I don't rent
movies piecemeal from Blockbuster anymore... under its online service
or Netflix, individual rental costs are significantly lower.

You do need to invest in new equipment if you don't yet own an Xbox
360... and Netflix's online download service doesn't have as strong an
HD library as Xbox Live does.

Xbox Live is a decent enough alternative to purchasing a Blu-Ray
player right now since many top Blu-Ray movies are available for
rental. If I felt inclined to watch some classic Disney animated films
in HD, I could watch them now instead of waiting for years for them to
be "pulled out of the vault."
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On Mar 4, 7:16 pm, Blig Merk <blig_m... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> You idiots went down with your Dreamcasts, wrong about that, you went
> down with your XFLop, wrong about that, you went down with HD-DVD,
> wrong about that, and now going down with the xflop 3-shitty, all in
> the name of being anti-Sony, anti-PS2, anti-PS3 and anti-Blu-ray.
> Delusional subhumans like you are not able to understand delusion.

We fully understand that the common idiot doesn't realize he's an
idiot, which is why some of us tolerate you despite your delusional
rantings and ravings.

> You'd have a hard time finding someone who wouldn't concede that there
> will be a day in the future when physical media is no more

Actually, there are plenty of people who believe there will be a day
in the future when we're completely rid of physical media because
people like to own things - always have and always will. Bytes on a
hard drive don't count.

We've had iTunes for how long now? Companies are still making CDs and
people are still buying shitloads of them. iTunes has certainly made a
dent in CD sales but there are tons of people who will hear a song on
iTunes and then go out and buy the album on CD because of it.

> Most flock
> to LCD TVs despite the fact that they don't compare to plasmas in
> contrast or color, just because they feature 1080p.

And they're cheaper and last longer and don't need to be hung on the
wall.

> The problem of
> course is that they are viewing their 42-inch 1080p LCD form 10 feet
> away, which is so far, no human can even perceive the difference in
> resolution. Do they care that the 1080p TV cost $400 more than the
> 720p plasma? No, they bought it because they had to have 1080p. Many
> buy TVs after looking at the fact tag, and never once think to
> actually look at the TV.

Who does this? Any non-videophile who's buying an HDTV is doing so
because they've seen how great HDTV looks, not because they're reading
numbers on a tag. The average consumer doesn't even know what 1080p,
1080i, 720p, 480p, etc. mean.

> The same people that pay $99 for an HDMI
> cable and throw away the component cable that was in the box.

Joe Sixpack isn't buying an HDMI cable. Joe Sixpack is as likely to be
using composite cables as component cables... and less likely to be
using HDMI than either of those options. Joe Sixpack sticks with what
he knows.

> They
> spend $200 on an HDMI switch so both their upconverting DVD player,
> over-compressed cable, and Xbox 360 can all be connected via HDMI.

It's clear at this point that this engadget journalist is speaking
from the viewpoint of the average techno geek and not the average
consumer.

> Do
> they ever test out the 3 unused component inputs to see if there is
> noticeable improvement? No, they don't, 'cause everyone knows digital
> is always better than analog.
>
> The point is that people will spend more if they believe there is a
> difference, regardless of whether they can actually see the
> difference. They won't spend four times more, but they will spend
> more.

Who is this guy fooling? Unless we're talking women and fashion,
people don't spend more money to buy new technology if there isn't a
great enough improvement over what they already have (or their
existing equipment is on its last legs).

Next time, Blig, trying posting an article written by someone who
knows what they're talking about. Not that it would help your weak
argument but it wouldn't waste our time.
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