4E compiled monsters and more

External Since: Apr 25, 2004 Posts: 327

On Mar 20, 12:02 pm, Sea Wasp <seawaspObvi... RemoveThis @sgeObviousinc.com>
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> Hong Ooi wrote:
> > On Mar 19, 10:16 am, Sea Wasp <seawaspObvi... RemoveThis @sgeObviousinc.com>
> > wrote:
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> >>Hong Ooi wrote:
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> >>>Sea Wasp wrote:
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> >>>>Hong Ooi wrote:
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> >>>>>Sea Wasp wrote:
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> >>>>>>Hong Ooi wrote:
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> >>>>>>>On Mar 18, 7:02 am, Keith Davies <keith.dav... RemoveThis @kjdavies.org> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>My KSRD design philosophy, power-wise, is somewhat derived from
> >>>>>>>>Justin's
> >>>>>>>>article on expectations. Every five levels or so should be a step
> >>>>>>>>up in
> >>>>>>>>power category. Normal, Heroic, Superheroic, Demigodlike. I can
> >>>>>>>>accept
> >>>>>>>>that.
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> >>>>>>>>A Wiz16 *should* be able to warp reality.
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> >>>>>>>Within rigidly predefined limits predicated on game balance, anyway..
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> >>>>>> Still invoking that false god Game Balance. Or rather, the false
> >>>>>>PERCEPTION of the God Game Balance. You won't find Game Balance in
> >>>>>>the book, any more than you'll find Jehovah in the Torah or God in
> >>>>>>the Bible.
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> >>>>>This is because game balance is an emergent phenomenon.
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> >>>>>>You'll find Game Balance in the play and the players. If the players
> >>>>>>WANT balance, they'll have it. If they don't, they won't.
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> >>>>>Say, aren't you one of those guys who playtested 3E?
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> >>>> Yep. One of those specifically ASKED to playtest, in fact. I
> >>>>refused the first time.
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> >>>Well, you clearly didn't playtest it enough.
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> >> Certainly I did. I'm very happy with the result.
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> > Yes, but you also call balance a false god.
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> And it is.

If enough people believe in it, it is no longer a false god. And
clearly, you didn't playtest enough.

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> >>>> 3e is overall as good as it could be and still be D&D. Oh, there's
> >>>>a few other tweaks I might have made, but it's pretty good. I don't
> >>>>see how 4e can improve on that without being not-D&D, which to me
> >>>>would be pointless. There's hundreds of other RPGs out there which
> >>>>have already tried, or are trying, any set of mechanics they're likely
> >>>>to figure out, and the only area D&D has for an advantage IS its history.
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> >>>History is bunk.
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> >> Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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> > Well, isn't it a good thing they're not repeating 3E!
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> It's already done. The mistake they haven't learned from is "if it
> ain't broke, don't fix it". 3e works just fine, but they can't just
> leave it alone. Fools! I'll destroy them all! (Ask me how!)

On the contrary, there is plenty that is broke. (Ask me what!)

External Since: Sep 08, 2004 Posts: 181

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