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Kimbelyn

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:10 pm
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RogerM wrote:
> To what end? What is your goal in the game if it not to defeat the
> current top boss (Illidan in BT?)

different people have different goals in game for "endgame". its not
anyones place to tell them that its wrong, or that they should be doing
something else with their time (like killing illidan). you appear to be
questioning his reasons for doing something. why does it really matter?
he's having fun and getting his money's worth. thats what games are all
about. you do know that dont you?

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:46 pm
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:20:56 -0800 (PST), Caphel <porkster.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I also did the warrior quest at level 30, so had the whirlwind axe
>quite early, realistically you should not be able to do this quest
>until you are near level 40.

Same here, I had guildie help.

>Most of the time I levelled as two handed fury, improved slam is
>great. I will say that warrior levelling is not hard per say, just
>harder and slower compared to other classes. My shaman was pulling on
>average 500dps while questing in greens from about level 65, and due
>to the bursty nature of windfury this could peak out in some fights at
>1000. Compare that to my warrior that was managing maybe 300dps and
>would have to stop to eat and bandage quite frequently.

Levelling a warrior is just painful. I've tried Prot, Fury and I'm
just going to resec again all the in arms to see if that makes a
difference.


>The rogue again was very good, I levelled mostly as mutilate spec,
>cheap shot, mutilate, wait for some energy, kidney shot, mutilate
>mutilate eviscerate, dead.

Mine was Sublety for a long time.. definitely high-survival spec. Now,
at 70 I've gone combat daggers.

>The hunter was insane, while the shaman probably killed mobs quicker,
>which depressed my rogue no end by the way, there was basically no
>down time at all. Group quests, no problem, a good hunter can solo
>most group quests that require up to 3 people.

My Shaman I've not played seriously for a long time.. My Hunter I
deleted at 70.. no groups wanted him, and it was just boring.
Warlock was the same. Just boring.

Now, I think levelling a Prot Pally is easier than any other class.
Yes, it's slow on single mobs, but 10 takes the same time as 1.

>And they all had a way of dealing with Adds. The shaman can heal
>himself or drop a stoneclaw totem or pop ghost wolf and leg it. The
>rogue can vanish, pop evasion, blind and bandage or sprint. The
>hunter can trap a mob, or feign death, or stick the pet on the mobs
>and then just aspect of the cheetah away. The warrior was much harder
>to escape from adds. Piercing howl is quite useful, and intimidating
>shout work quite well, but you have the chance of aggroing even more
>mobs, and if they run the direction you were planning to escape via,
>it can be a bit of an issue.

For the one class which should excell at multi-mobbing, the warrior is
undoubtedly the worst.

Prot pally is the best, probably followed by Frost mage, Hunter and
Warlock.. not necessarily in that order. The Warlock is probably
easier, with fear and drain life and a pet.

Only the Pally, though, doesn't even try to escape. Smile
Another mob? Bring it! It's just more Reckoning procs, blocks and
heals.

>Then there is the classic problem that I am sure all warriors have had
>to deal with at some point. The mob is almost dead, but so are you,
>he gets to execute range, execute - parried, hmmm, execute - parried,
>white hit - miss, execute - miss. Now its pop a healing potion or
>die.

Oh doesn't *that* get old fast? It's one reason I'm going from Fury
to Arms.. at least then, if I can manage to hit them at all, I stand
some chance of doing some reasonable damage.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:52 pm
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:57:15 -0800 (PST), Osoris <JohnKB.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Warriors and Paladins are by far the hardest classes to level, bc imo
>they are the most gear dependent (Spend money on gear, save time).
>But for anyone who already has a 70 or a 60, you really should have no
>trouble leveling. My first high level character was a PITA to level,
>simply because I had never played the game. Once you learn all of the
>ins and outs it is easy to level with any class.

Prot pallies level fast.. 8 /played days to 60 and now on 13 at 69.

You just have to pick your fights... I *love* Murlocs. Aggro 1, Aggro
them all Smile.

Pure melee mobs are great.. Casters are a problem, but unless they do
insane damage very quickly...buh-bye, now.

I love the quests where you have to go and kill 10 of these, 5 of
those and 5 of the other..

I had a problem in Nagrand because the first set of 30 you have to
kill are neutral.. no proximity aggro. I had to run around spamming
consecrate to get enough together.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:06 pm
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Barry Freeman <bazz.RemoveThis@nospam.co.uk> writes:
>Prot pallies level fast.. 8 /played days to 60 and now on 13 at 69.

They really do. I did level 67 in 6 hours, and 68 is going nearly as fast.

>You just have to pick your fights... I *love* Murlocs. Aggro 1, Aggro
>them all Smile.

Yeah, except that some of them will be casters and refuse to come into
melee range to get their butts kicked. My new favorite toy is the
poultryizer - in groups with lots of melee and one caster, it does wonders
in rounding everything up. You can handle two-caster groups by chickening
one and using the other caster as your first target.

>I had a problem in Nagrand because the first set of 30 you have to
>kill are neutral.. no proximity aggro. I had to run around spamming
>consecrate to get enough together.

Yeah, that was a pain. I did most of the neutral ones by throwing my shield
at one, and then hitting another while the first waddled towards me. *
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* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:09 pm
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On 23 Jan 2008 14:55:06 GMT, Gandalf Parker
<gandalf RemoveThis @the.dead.ISP.of.Community.net> wrote:

>Caphel <porkster RemoveThis @gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:04dd62a9-ea10-43f9-
>890e-7b70470d09fa@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I have just last night managed to get my warrior to 70. They are
>> quite a slow and painful class to level. I have already levelled a
>> shaman to 70, that was quite quick and easy, a rogue, also quick and
>> easy, and a hunter, don't even go there on that one, hunter levelling
>> is on a whole new level of easy.
>
>Ive been surprised.
>Originally I thought that warrior was the fast burner. It rushes thru the
>early levels. You can wear and use almost anything you find. I figured my
>warrior was going to be my leader and bast collector for being able to go
>anything and survive.

My warrior is 61 now going pretty to 62 and up. I set him up on arms.
His spec are 33/14/5 and now He is going quick. Lots of armor and 20 %
crit ratings. I bet that I am 70 by the end of the month.

The stuff he gets now is pretty neat.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:28 pm
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Shammy <none RemoveThis @nothing.com> wrote:
> I have levelled my warrior to 60 just before TBC came and I have no idea
> what are you talking about, they are very fast to lvl as fast as any other
> class...

Nonsense. Too gear dependent, too much downtime. They are nowhere near
as fat to level as some other classes. A BM-spec hunter can probably
level to 70 before a warrior to 60.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:31 pm
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Barry Freeman <bazz.RemoveThis@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
> Levelling a warrior is just painful. I've tried Prot, Fury and I'm
> just going to resec again all the in arms to see if that makes a
> difference.

Arms is the leveling spec. Fury, you'll eventually be capable of more
damage, but the to-hit penalty is huge and you need to compenstate for it
with hit-rating gear that you're not going to get until you're pretty much
post-60. Even before TBC was out, Fury spec didn't come into its own
until you hit 1000 AP, which meant some pretty good gear back then.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:32 pm
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ToolPackinMama <philnblanc.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> can you please explain why a slow weapon is better?

It's not so much that a slow weapon per se is better, it's that things
like MS and Imp. Slam don't care about the speed of the weapon, so you
want the weapon that'll do the most damage *per swing*, not per second.
This will, almost uniformly, be a slower weapon.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:36 pm
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lcpltom wrote:
> The point of a spec and the associated cost is to create your own
> character and make good decisions for your character and not be
> jumping around from spec to spec depending on what situation you are
> anticipating. If you like soloing with a warrior, spec DPS. If you
> like grouping, spec prot. And with the ease of collecting gold at
> present, the 50g cap on respecs is a bit low. Anyone can go grind up
> that gold in less than an hour and go respec. 50g doesn't carry the
> same weight it did pre-TBC, so the respec cost should be uppped a bit.

How often do you respec?
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:50 pm
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Brian Trosko wrote:
> Barry Freeman <bazz.RemoveThis@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Levelling a warrior is just painful. I've tried Prot, Fury and I'm
>>just going to resec again all the in arms to see if that makes a
>>difference.
>
>
> Arms is the leveling spec. Fury, you'll eventually be capable of more
> damage, but the to-hit penalty is huge and you need to compenstate for it
> with hit-rating gear that you're not going to get until you're pretty much
> post-60. Even before TBC was out, Fury spec didn't come into its own
> until you hit 1000 AP, which meant some pretty good gear back then.

Are you sure about this? I've seen so many people saying Fury is great
for leveling, and most say it's the leveling spec. Tanking is supposedly
easier with Fury (if you're not Prot ofc).
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:46 am
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"Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgroups.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Are you sure about this? I've seen so many people saying Fury is great
> for leveling, and most say it's the leveling spec. Tanking is supposedly
> easier with Fury (if you're not Prot ofc).

Fury's quite good if you're geared for it. All warriors are
gear-dependent, but Fury's the most so. The to-hit penalty for
dual-wielding is huge, and if you don't have the +hit to counter it it's
going to be a hard row to hoe.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:10 am
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On Jan 23, 8:09 pm, Bynahmar <PJCuel... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> So for leveling a PvE warrior, what do you guys think is better? My 36
> human warrior has Morgan Ladimore's sword with dmg enchant as my two-
> handed, and I'm still using my 2 Butcher's Slicers, both with firey
> enchant, as my dual-wield and single hand weapons. Can't remember the
> name of the shield I use when single handing but it was a quest
> reward. I seem to get best results with Ladimore's sword, but dual-
> wielding the butchers slicers works pretty well for the kill-quick
> mobs (except fire elementals <ugh>). I'm pretty much a hybrid spec at
> this point, more points in arms than anything else. I'd like to tank
> some instances, but I don't want to respec every time an instance come
> up. Should I stick with mostly arms spec?

I think two handed fury is quite a good levelling spec, mainly due to
the talent improved slam. I tried duel wielding and it was ok, but
the reason I rolled a warrior in the first place was to hit things
with great big axes.

I would recommend giving two handed fury a go, get improved slam, and
slam just after every white hit lands. Its half the rage cost of
Mortal Strike or Bloodthirst and does wonders for two handed dps.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:28 am
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On Jan 24, 8:18 am, "Shammy" <n....TakeThisOut@nothing.com> wrote:
> Hello, Brian!
> You wrote on Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:28:33 +0000 (UTC):
>
> BT> Shammy <n....TakeThisOut@nothing.com> wrote:
>
> >> I have levelled my warrior to 60 just before TBC came and I have no
> >> idea what are you talking about, they are very fast to lvl as fast as
> >> any other class...
>
> BT> Nonsense. Too gear dependent, too much downtime. They are nowhere
> BT> near as fat to level as some other classes. A BM-spec hunter can
> BT> probably level to 70 before a warrior to 60.
>
> A BM hunter... the easiest class/spec in wow well imo they can level as fast
> as rogues, specially dagger rogues (I levelled a dagger rogue).
> I'm really starting to doubt the experience of some people when you say
> warrior is so hard to level... I understand prot ones are hard but to say
> levelling an arms warrior is hard....

I found levelling my mutilate/dagger rogue much much slower than my BM
hunter.

Once I started to enjoy the multi mob SW: Pain and fear on my shadow
priest, that one became faster than my rogue.

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(Msg. 29) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:31 am
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On Jan 23, 9:12 pm, lcpltom <lcpl....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 8:07 am, sparks <jstal....TakeThisOut@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> > When they talked about the expansion they said the reason for the new
> > chr was there were not enough warriors in the game.
>
> > Is this true?
>
> > At the same time I have seen warriors in outlands that take forever to
> > kill anything, another reason is the respec for everything ?
>
> > personally I feel that respec and mounts are WAY overpriced
>
> The issue wasn't a lack of warriors, it was a lack of tanks. The
> purpose of introducing the death knight as a 4th class capable of
> tanking was to increase the number of available tanks. Chances are,
> most death knights will end up speccing for DPS instead, making those
> of us playing a class with no tanking ability pulling our hair out
> when we need a tank.

I still don't understand why the final hybrid spec, shaman, can't get
tank spec...

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(Msg. 30) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:45 am
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On Jan 23, 12:57 pm, Osoris <Joh....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Warriors and Paladins are by far the hardest classes to level, bc imo
> they are the most gear dependent (Spend money on gear, save time).
> But for anyone who already has a 70 or a 60, you really should have no
> trouble leveling.  My first high level character was a PITA to level,
> simply because I had never played the game.  Once you learn all of the
> ins and outs it is easy to level with any class.

Im sorry dont agree about the pally slow lvler. Did mine in 9 days WoW
played time Smile

Starting a warrior now (finally) and will see how he'll perform...
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