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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:26 am
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<eddysterckx.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> Over at the Shrapnel blog Scott Krol raises the interesting question
> of why a lot of people dislike hearing about the plot of a movie
> before they're watching it, yet seem to want to know everything
> about
> a game before they buy it.
>
> http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/blog/2008/01/24/when-spoiler-alerts-d...-matter
>
> Is it just the $50 price tag which makes us investigate games so
> much
> before purchase ?
>
> I was just thinking that a movie for 2 + candy stuff + drinks
> afterwards usually sets me back around 30 Euro, which is $50 -
> double
> that if we're having a light dinner there first, so from a pure
> price
> point of view I should investigate movies just as much before I go
> watch them. Which we don't. We rarely know which movie we're going
> to
> see until we get there and have a look at what's available. Then we
> base our decision solely on the movie poster, maybe influenced a bit
> by a particular actor being in it, and how many weeks it's already
> been playing - but that's it.
>
> So why do we completely forget we spend $50 on a stinker of a movie
> the day after and don't blame the cinema complex, nor the developer
> for ever releasing it, but react completely differently when it's
> about a $50 wargame ? Is it because we care more about wargames ?

No. You've got your thinking all messed up. The $50 movie is probably
going to get you laid. If you don't want to take the chance, just hire
a hooker.

Where as picking a game, is a challenge in itself. like hunting, think
of the cost of the gun, clothing, etc. or you could go to a restaurant
for a $50 steak.

That's why we have whores and usernet Smile Simple?

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:23 am
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<eddysterckx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is it just the $50 price tag which makes us investigate games so much
> before purchase ?
>
> I was just thinking that a movie for 2 + candy stuff + drinks
> afterwards usually sets me back around 30 Euro, which is $50 - double
> that if we're having a light dinner there first, so from a pure price
> point of view I should investigate movies just as much before I go
> watch them. Which we don't. We rarely know which movie we're going to
> see until we get there and have a look at what's available. Then we
> base our decision solely on the movie poster, maybe influenced a bit
> by a particular actor being in it, and how many weeks it's already
> been playing - but that's it.
>
> So why do we completely forget we spend $50 on a stinker of a movie
> the day after and don't blame the cinema complex, nor the developer
> for ever releasing it, but react completely differently when it's
> about a $50 wargame ? Is it because we care more about wargames ?
>

I think you've got a really awful analogy going here, Eddy. I can't even
see how you can compare the price of your movie 'date' with your
wife/girfriend/SO with a wargame you pick for yourself. In the case of a
movie date you don't always pick the movie because quite frankly a wise man
will almost always let it be the woman's choice - if you want a happy and
compliant gal interested in 'further fun' after the dinner and movie, it
starts by seeing the movie she wants to see - movies with titles like "A
time for Roses" versus "Total Mayhem IV". And if she just saw a movie that
she enjoyed but you hated - well, payback for your discomfort can be a lot
of fun too. And if I'm going to be seeing a movie with a woman I don't
really know well -ie, a 'first' date - I damn well better know everything
about the movie before I take her to it. This is also know as the "Nine and
1/2 weeks" syndrome for the un-initatied... It all looked like such a good
idea in theory...

<weak grin>

A dinner / movie date with a potential (or actual) sexual partner has so
many more postive nuances than a computer wargame you can't even compare
them. What you get back for you 50$ investment - actually it's only a 25$
investment since you are paying for her pleasure - can be substatially more
memorable than a game can compare.

Personally I think an analogy between game reviews and book reviews is much
more appropriate. In either case you have immediate purchase decisions at
full release price (hardbound books/ boxed games) versus later purchase at a
reduced price (remainder or paperback titles / discount or cd-case games).
When I read a book review on a title I'm interested-in I'm almost certainly
trying to figure out if the novel or history is worth the 30 or 40$ price
right now to me. Or can I wait until I find it a year of six months later
as a 12$ paperback.

When I read a PC game review I'm typically looking for 'buzzwords' that will
negatively impact my purchasing decision - in the case of computer games
'RTS' simply means no-sale to me. While 'turn-based' perks my interest
dramatically. I'm also not particularly keen on 'computer boardgames' for
the PC - if what I see is hexes with little squares with numbers upon them
and faux-dice rolls it's typically just a big yawn to me. So I can't really
say when I look at a PC game review I'm looking for positive info to drive
my buying decision - it's much more like I'm trying to figure out what I
know I won't enjoy just to to avoid buying it.

Plus you can add the whole issue of hardware stability and OS compatibility.
Despite what the game box might aledge are the required system stats - I'll
read a game review with the intent of figureing out is this an actual
finished product or just a bug-ridden Beta-test version. Unlike a movie or
a book where my only concern is whether or not the old MK.I eyeball is
adequate for my viewing requirments.

So I just think looking at game reviews closely before spending money is
just a result of the state the game-industry is right now. If the companies
put out stable games that weren't bug-ridden and could be trusted to provide
what the box promises, I don't think people would be so careful. Or care so
much afterwards.

If I spend 50$ for a movie-date with a woman and we both have a good time
over the entirety of the date, I won't feel ripped-off at all if the movie
is a 'stinker'. But if I pay the same amount for a boxed game and it
crashes my game system or won't run well or is nothing at all like the box
described - ie, short play time , awful AI, etc - I will feel royally
ripped-off.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:15 am
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<eddysterckx RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 jan, 03:16, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... RemoveThis @rcn.com> wrote:
>
> > what kind of snacks do they sell at euro movie theaters
>
> popcorn, nachos, candy, icecream, ... you'll feel right at home Smile
>

the usual stuff, i was wondering if there was any dutch/euro specific stuff


> This is what it looks like :
>
> http://www.kinepolis.com/be-nl/index.cfm?pageid=10004&cid=KBRU
>
> Yes, it does have 27 theatres, that's why we don't bother checking in
> advance what movies they play - there's always plenty of choice.
>
> Just outside the movie complex they build a little fake town with
> restaurants and bars - contrary to what you'd suspect the food at the
> Mexican restaurant is quite good.
>
> http://www.bruparck.com/village_nl.asp

we have megaplexes here too.
national amusements, one of the largest media companies in america is based
here{in dedham}. besides owning piles of theaters they own viacom which owns
CBS ,MTV, comedy central and a sleww of other networks and such.
they are tearing down the old megaplex and we are going to get a new
megmegaplex and a fake village

we still have the old pre-megaplax theater too, it survives by showing
crazed indie movies and such things plus it houses he "world famous MOBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5zVuIR4RGs
http://www.museumofbadart.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Amusements


>
> > and have you guys discoverd cold drinks yet Wink
>
> Have you guys discovered real beers yet Smile

don't care i don't drink


mex food restaurants are like chinese restaurants in that what they serve
has no relation to what the people in those counties really eat.
tex-mex food is huge in the west but here in new england not so much.
my town doesn't even have any fast food joints although there are mickey
d's and a KFC just feet over the town line in boston.
we do have 4 ice cream parlors though , and the obligatory dunkin donuts
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:51 pm
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In article <479ba01b$0$36400$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, dtravel.TakeThisOut@sonic.net
says...

> BTW, I've never been able to actually watch the entire BWP. I have to stop
> and go throw up because of the vertigo the camera waving induces less than
> an hour in. And sorry for restating stuff I'm sure most of you already
> know.

The really funny thing is that I've been plagued with motion sickness
almost from birth. I should have been the first one stumbling out of
BLAIR WITCH PROJECT and CLOVERFIELD, barfing wildly. But neither film
bothered me in terms of the nonstandard camera.



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Every candidate is committed to 'ending the war' and bringing our troops
back home. The trouble is, the war has largely ended, and precisely
because our troops are in the middle of it."
- Fareed Zakaria
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:06 pm
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In article <OLOmj.1500$Xg7.639@tornado.fastwebnet.it>,
reckall.RemoveThis@hotmail.com says...

> >> And that was a yawn movie - for the both of us - we couldn't
> >> understand the hype at all. Taste is a funny thing.
>
> I'm loking forward to "Cloverfield", and I'm actively avoiding any spoiler
> about it (Which means ***totally*** avoid any kind of media.

Watch the very last scene. Carefully. Look out at sea.

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Every candidate is committed to 'ending the war' and bringing our troops
back home. The trouble is, the war has largely ended, and precisely
because our troops are in the middle of it."
- Fareed Zakaria
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:59 am
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On 26 jan, 16:15, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu....RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
> <eddyster....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > popcorn, nachos, candy, icecream, ... you'll feel right at home Smile
>
> the usual stuff, i was wondering if there was any dutch/euro specific stuff

Nope - you'll feel right at home. In fact, Brussels has a large US/
Anglo community and as movies are always in the original language with
subtitles moving from Boston to Brussels has less impact on your live
than moving to Lonely Mountain, Wyoming.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:08 am
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<eddysterckx DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 jan, 07:15, "James Gassaway" <dtra... DeleteThis @sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hardly innovative. The Blair Witch Project did it almost ten years ago.
>
> And that was a yawn movie - for the both of us - we couldn't
> understand the hype at all. Taste is a funny thing.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx
>
>

BWP was vastly overrated. I laughed, more than got scared, watching it.
Reminded me of those old 50's psycho hammer murderer flics, where the hammer
was taped to the end of the camera, and that was the viewpoint one had while
watching it.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:24 pm
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> Oh, I knew the idiots were going to die when they kept jumping over
> streams after they were lost. *rolleyes* One of the simpliest, most
> basic methods for getting unlost is to follow a stream or river
> downstream, for soooo many reasons.

Uhm, you reasons are all logical, but, again, I think there was a
*supernatural* curse working against the characters - like getting lost in
the Bermuda Triangle or something like that. They marched in one direction
but found themselves back in the same place and so on. They also started to
lose their sanity. True, the duded looked clueless since the beginning, but
their behaviour become increasingly bizzare and counterproductive as the
events unfolded - again because of fear, panic or the curse.

> BTW, I've never been able to actually watch the entire BWP. I have to
> stop and go throw up because of the vertigo the camera waving induces less
> than an hour in. And sorry for restating stuff I'm sure most of you
> already know.

I think it is something that varies from individual to individual. I have
many friends who are unable to play FPS games, or watch BWP or the Bourne
movies, due to motion sickness. I have never suffered from it.

OTOH, if I try to read while on a car I get motion sickness after the first
two sentences - so the causes must be something tied to individual
physiology.
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