[40K] The Ork Codex is ruined for me...

"Kevin Milner" <dontspamme.DeleteThis@ihatespam.net> wrote in message
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> US WD 332, page 17: "For a long time, there's been this assumption that
> all the Chaos Space Marines are from the Horus Heresy. For Abaddon, his
> followers, and the other original members of the traitor legions, this is
> certainly the case... However, for ten thousand years there have been
> indiviual Space Marines, squads or entire companies and chapters turning
> to Chaos for their own selfish reasons", says Gave. Unlike Horus, these
> Chaos Space Marines have not started out with an ...goal to rid the galaxy
> of a pitiless god-emperor...but really they are space marines with their
> humanity back...
>
> Pages 12-15 of the codex are indeed about the Horus Heresy specifically,
> but it is more of a "history" lesson than actual details on the legions,
> and certainly not pertaining to the 41st millenium. Except for this tiny
> bit on page 15:
> Within the giant warpstorm, the traitor Primarchs and their Legions found
> sanctuary amongst the nightmare daemon worlds. They Warred amonst
> themselves for dominance and territory, while factions split from the
> Legions to found other warbands and armies.
>
> Now, on to the "present".
> Chaos Space Marines Codex, page 17: "Little remains of the organised
> Legions that waged war upon ancient Terra. Millennia of jealousies and
> infighting have broken down the legions into companies and warbands of
> varying size."

Chaos Space Marines have always been broken down into individual warbands
(apart from maybe the Alpha Legion, and to some extent the Black Legion),
made up of the 10 millennia bitter vets as well as less experienced
warriors. I don't know where anyone would get that assumption that CSMs were
all Horus Heresy era vets and that the Legions remained in a coherent and
unified force, because its always been in the fluff that CSMs have had there
numbers swelled over time by the more recent arrivals, whether they be newly
inducted neophytes to an original legion, individual turncoats or full scale
Chapter defections.. Just because its been spelled out more explicitly it
doesn't represent the full scale GW retcon in action that you seem to think
it does.

> In light of these completely unambiguous statements that the major forces
> of chaos space marines are the original traitor legions, I humbly
> appologize for clearly using hyperbole to enhance a humorous point in my
> obviously misinformed post. In addition, where most people would have
> rudely said something like "Where did you get that idea?" you chose the
> more curteous path in the manner in which you suggested I might be
> mistaken. Your way demonstrates your stunning intellect as well as your
> appreciation for the discussions at hand. Bravo sir!

Welcome to RGMW, enjoy your stay.

Tim

"Helicon One" <shiny*blue*thing@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Just because its been spelled out more explicitly it doesn't represent the
> full scale GW retcon in action > that you seem to think it does.
>

Yes, because that was exactly what I was saying. <eyeroll> My point was (and
still is) that in the new codex there was a general focus on renegades
rather than the original traitor legions. This has been mentioned in several
places, including here, and is cited as one of the factors in the general
blandness of the new CSM codex. Obviously with the HH novels that are coming
out, they haven't abandoned the original legions, but the overall tone is
that the legions are "yesterday's news". However, you seemed to miss the
fact that I was being a bit sarcastic. You decided that a single sentence
was an explicit statement of all that I believe regarding CSMs rather than a
general overview of the situation hightened by a bit of hyperbole for
humerous effect. I'm sorry you are only able to take text at face value
without any kind of ability to infer context.
Did anyone else here miss that point too or am I simply much worse at
communication than I thought I was?

>
> Welcome to RGMW, enjoy your stay.
>
Oh, I see what you did there. Clever! You turned everything back on me by
hinting I was feeling out of place here and whining about it. Well, I am
SOOOO burned.