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Miracle wrote:
> Mr K wrote:
>> On Thursday 22 Mar 2007 16:15, Miracle wrote:
>>
>>> Have you seen those Mac commercials? One of the newest
>>> has the pc being interrupted every sentence by asking "Cancel,
>>> or Allow?". Oh hell no I ain't paying for that aggravation just yet!
>> Nnnngh... why are PC's always shown to be running windows?? Why
>> aren't macs shown to be a one-OS device?
>>
>> PC vs mac... one's a computer, one's an operating system. How can the
>> two be compared?
>
>
> By successfully duping the clueless via clever TV commercials?
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pc+versus+mac+commercials

Much better versions, IMO:
http://www.lauriemcguinness.com/

Laugh. They're funny.
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Frank van Schie wrote:
> Miracle wrote:
>> Mr K wrote:
>>> On Thursday 22 Mar 2007 16:15, Miracle wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you seen those Mac commercials? One of the newest
>>>> has the pc being interrupted every sentence by asking "Cancel,
>>>> or Allow?". Oh hell no I ain't paying for that aggravation just
>>>> yet!
>>> Nnnngh... why are PC's always shown to be running windows?? Why
>>> aren't macs shown to be a one-OS device?
>>>
>>> PC vs mac... one's a computer, one's an operating system. How can
>>> the two be compared?
>>
>>
>> By successfully duping the clueless via clever TV commercials?
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pc+versus+mac+commercials
>
> Much better versions, IMO:
> http://www.lauriemcguinness.com/
>
> Laugh. They're funny.


These are the ones I saw earlier! LOL
Same videos on a different site:

> Here's a cool reversal:
> http://tinyurl.com/35sqzx

Great minds..........

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"Miracle" <GetLost RemoveThis @yourexpense.com> wrote in news:1305eiufctdg646
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> I also gave myself a headache. Ow. But half the blame has
> to go to the total chaos that ensued here when Jessica spotted
> the pamphlet-toting Christian coming up the walk in the middle
> of my reading.

I'm actually disappointed that I haven't gotten any recent visitors. I want
to get an email address so I can drag them to my team forum where I can
handle them on my own terms:

http://matureasskickers.net/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=5100
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ScratchMonkey wrote:
> And before you object to Linux, check out this prank:
>
> http://www.degredo.net/


Heh heh heh. That's smoooooooth! Brilliant idea.

I'm not "opposed" to Linux (or any other non-MS OS)
for any valid reason other than I'd rather not spend any
time sussing out something new and/or different.
I've turned into the laziest sod I know. Shameful, I know,
but since chemo & radiation therapy knocked me on my ass,
I'm worse than even *I* imagined I could be.
Talk about lifeless. I mean, look how long I was offline!
You know how little effort it takes to push an "On" button,
or read what's right in front of your face, yet I couldn't
summon the energy to do either for months.

Good Neighbor Allen is a Linux freak, so if the mood
ever moves me I can get his help, but the more likely
scenario for me is to stick stubbornly with either XP or
revert back to WinMe, which I have an odd affinity for.

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ScratchMonkey wrote:
> "Miracle" <GetLost.DeleteThis@yourexpense.com> wrote in news:1305eiufctdg646
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>
>> I also gave myself a headache. Ow. But half the blame has
>> to go to the total chaos that ensued here when Jessica spotted
>> the pamphlet-toting Christian coming up the walk in the middle
>> of my reading.
>
> I'm actually disappointed that I haven't gotten any recent visitors.
> I want to get an email address so I can drag them to my team forum
> where I can handle them on my own terms:
>
> http://matureasskickers.net/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=5100


Good reading- I'll go back to finish the thread soon.

I just find it offensive that a person feels the need to
interrupt another's day by arriving unannounced to
basically tell them that the only "true" church is the one
being touted by the pamphlet-toter.
That's as nuts to me as thinking that the only life in the
universe exists here on our little planet earth. How arrogant
and specious.

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"Miracle" <GetLost.DeleteThis@yourexpense.com> wrote in news:13082g48qbs18d3
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> I'm not "opposed" to Linux (or any other non-MS OS)
> for any valid reason other than I'd rather not spend any
> time sussing out something new and/or different.

I'm just suggesting that the leap from XP to Linux is no worse than the
leap to Vista, so if you're faced with that decision....
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[RS]Faramir_agst <spam.me RemoveThis @wanadoo.fr> wrote in
news:MPG.206ded83972cc7319896f4@news.free.fr:

> UAC happens to be a good security thing... when you install/setup your
> Vista box you'll see a lot of these. But in the long run when things
> settle down (read don't install apps after apps) you probably won't
> see it more than once or twice a day.

A normal user shouldn't need to do something "administrative" every day, so
you shouldn't see it *at all*. Only the person installing programs should
see it.

I was seeing it with WoW because WoW wasn't "signed". I'm not sure what it
was doing that was triggering the popup, presumably something unsigned
programs shouldn't do. Maybe it was network access. But if signing is
necessary, there should be a cheap (free) way for open source coders to get
their stuff signed. It's not about money. It's about integrity, and you
shouldn't be held hostage to the mainstream cert authorities just to get a
program on the desktop.

The same applies to drivers. MS won't allow drivers to load that it hasn't
personally blessed. So all those drivers that are created for the love of
it, like Daemon Tools (a CD drive emulator to let you play a copy-protected
game without keeping the CD in the drive) are locked out. Another such
driver is vpnc, a free replacement for the Cisco VPN client that creates a
virtual network interface. Then there's VNC (remote desktop control) and
pGina (alternate login screen to authenticate against other databases than
Active Directory).
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In article <1305asglq54695c.RemoveThis@news.supernews.com>, GetLost.RemoveThis@yourexpense.com
says...
> Have you seen those Mac commercials? One of the newest
> has the pc being interrupted every sentence by asking "Cancel,
> or Allow?". Oh hell no I ain't paying for that aggravation just yet!

UAC happens to be a good security thing... when you install/setup your
Vista box you'll see a lot of these. But in the long run when things settle
down (read don't install apps after apps) you probably won't see it more
than once or twice a day.

While some stuff is more secure on Vista... some is not. So my advise would
be to wait for the SP1 at least. Or whenever Microsoft releases the
Hypervisor for the 64 bits flavor of Vista. This will BOOOOOST the overall
system security BIG TIME.

For now stick to whatever w2k or wXP that suits you.

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In article <1306a8ike84iuc1.RemoveThis@news.supernews.com>, GetLost.RemoveThis@yourexpense.com
says...
> Great minds..........

My favorite one is the Money - Pay day clip...

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ScratchMonkey wrote:
> Frank van Schie <nospam.TakeThisOut@please.don't> wrote in
> news:b-SdncZfRsBVpZjbnZ2dnUVZ8tijnZ2d@casema.nl:
>
>>> A normal user shouldn't need to do something "administrative" every
>>> day, so you shouldn't see it *at all*. Only the person installing
>>> programs should see it.
>> I disagree. If you install a piece of software, you are
>> administrating, and asking whether you actually wanted to install
>> something is necessary.
>
> I don't think we're in disagreement here. A normal user shouldn't be
> installing new software on a daily basis, and installing software is a
> rare enough occurrence that it should't be an issue getting a popup.

Okay. I don't see the difference between a "normal user" and "the person
installing programs". In a corporate environment, yes, but I'll bet they
want this 'feature' shut down, anyway. Too much opportunity for someone
to click 'no' and then complain about stuff not working.

>> On the Mac now, I have to type in my password whenever I want to
>> install something 'for all users' (ie, something that modifies things
>> system-wide). Once or twice I've seen the "This application is trying
>> to do X, do you want to continue running this?" dialogue. Not
>> obtrusive, not annoying.
>
> That's a reasonable warning, *once*. Take an MD5 (or equivalent) of the
> app and remember the choice, so you don't have to make it every time the
> app runs, just when it's upgraded.

I don't know how it behaves with upgrades. If there's an installer
(there usually isn't), I imagine I'd get asked the question again.

The Mac's usual way of installing software is (yes, sorry, I am
impressed with the machine):
- Download a .dmz disk image file. It is auto-mounted by the system and
a popup usually appears containing the program icon (and possibly some
graphics to show what to do with it) and some documentation.
- Drag the program icon into the Application folder.
- Drag .dmz image to trash.

That's it. To remove software, drag the icon from Applications to trash.

>> Certifying software takes effort, effort costs money. I don't agree
>> that anyone and anything should be able to get certification, since
>> that would defeat the purpose.
>
> But it doesn't need to cost an arm and a leg.

Well, the price of arms and legs varies greatly. My own employer,
essentially a dot-com startup, got 25k euro's just because we moved our
offices to a place near Rotterdam. Just out of the blue, without even
requesting it. That's a lot of money for regular open source project,
and peanuts for the kind of people that pay that kind of money.

>> Non-certification for userspace software should be a mild warning
>> flag, nothing more. Open source software can explain that you should
>> click 'Yes' for that application (and 'no' for anything they don't
>> know)
>
> Note that we're talking about two different things: Certifying quality,
> and certifying identity. Quality is a much higher hurdle. Identity is all
> that's really needed to keep a virus off the system, since it introduces
> accountability that can be used in a legal system.

Unless you can lie about your identity. To prevent this, checks are
needed, which is people-work. People-work is expensive.

>> It makes sense to protect your *cough* good name in this manner.
>> Especially when your major income is corporate based, where these apps
>> have lower penetration and dependability is more important.
>
> I actually look forward to the MS OS getting more and more expensive and
> more and more obstructionist, as it encourages non-big-company users to
> find alternatives. That includes small shops that can't afford a standing
> IT department. It also encourages 3rd party suppliers to move to the
> alternative OS, by locking them out of the MS OS.

Yeah. I'm not the first in my small company to request an Apple machine
to work on. Our systems/network dude wanted a mac (It's a usable FreeBSD
system, after all), the graphics/design guy has one (duh) and a Java
programmer semi-permanent contractor has one.

..NET developers are pretty much locked in, but quite a few people are
now trying to move away. It's interesting.
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Frank van Schie <nospam RemoveThis @please.don't> wrote in
news:KoSdnQy5sZbOzZvbnZ2dnUVZ8surnZ2d@casema.nl:

>> I don't think we're in disagreement here. A normal user shouldn't be
>> installing new software on a daily basis, and installing software is
>> a rare enough occurrence that it should't be an issue getting a
>> popup.
>
> Okay. I don't see the difference between a "normal user" and "the
> person installing programs".

No, I mean that most users shouldn't be installing programs daily.
Installation should be a rare occurrence. I'm an administrator for a home
and office LAN, and I'm not installing programs every day. Why should
people who use their machines for email, web browsing, document editing,
and even video games be spending all their time installing programs?

I can accept a popup for installing programs. But there shouldn't be one
for *running* programs. If it wants to access the network, pop up once
per change in program.

> Unless you can lie about your identity. To prevent this, checks are
> needed, which is people-work. People-work is expensive.

As I said, chain of liability. If your cert is used to do something bad
(say, run a virus that spams), then the CA shares liability by certifying
that you wouldn't do that. But do expensive commercial CA's in fact share
liability? I suspect not. (I'd be happy to be proven wrong here. It would
be interesting to see if Verisign got sued over someone misusing their
certs.)

Here's a place with free certs:

http://www.cacert.org/

Details on identity assurance:

http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/FAQ/AssuranceIntroduction
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If you want to try a Linux distro... download and burn the Ubuntu live CD
which allows to test the environment on your PC before install. It comes
with a boatload of pre-loaded apps.

For the average user the all-in-one update manager that keeps both the OS
and the apps up to date... ends up being a marvelous feature.

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